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Shish taouk

Curiously, the Montreal article has disappeared...

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Shish_taouk&diff=next&oldid=73194762

Perhaps someone should write a Shish taouk (Montreal) and restore the old content? 76.66.197.17 (talk) 04:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed if the rest of the world has the term "Shish taouk" referring to something else, then that's what the main article on shish taouk should be about. But the way the change was done violates Wikipedia's license. Please allow me a few minutes to fix the issue. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:00, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Done. I copied this revision of the Shish taouk article into a new, completely devoted article. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 17:14, 11 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for that. BTW, I fixed up your version on French Wikipedia with the portail projet and ebauche typical of fr.wiki . Also added it to English Wiktionary (but not the French one, since I'm not very familiar with how their templates work) 76.66.197.17 (talk) 05:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Montreal Oil Refining Center

Montreal Oil Refining Center has been nominated for renaming, see Talk:Montreal Oil Refining Center

76.66.197.77 (talk) 05:17, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Parc Labatt Montreal.JPG

File:Parc Labatt Montreal.JPG has been nominated for deletion. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 05:06, 9 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel Street article proposed for deletion

Rachel Street has been proposed for deletion because it apparently has "no indication of notability. Hasn't even qualified as notable enough for the Streets in Montreal template." Your input is welcome on the article's talk page. --MTLskyline (talk) 02:11, 12 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think of anything notable about it... thrift shops do not make a street notable. 70.29.210.242 (talk) 12:02, 13 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Concordia University

Someone stealthily moved Concordia University again, without listing it at WP:RM, even though it has had a few WP:RM discussions in the past.

It was previously noted that the one in Montreal is the most prominent, in past discussions.

70.29.210.242 (talk) 03:56, 20 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Colin Ferguson

Hello! I was just looking at the article on actor Colin Ferguson and noticed it was tagged as part of WikiProject Chicago, but I seem to be missing the reason for that. I did notice, however, that he is from Montreal, and so thought it might be more appropriate here. Since I know little about the various WikiProjects, and what constitutes an appropriate article for each, I thought I'd just suggest it here and let those who know more decide. Jedikaiti (talk) 06:17, 27 February 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Montreal Metro

In comment about the length of the Montreal Metro System,about 5 months ago, I read an article about the system which said the system length was 65. something kilometers long. Now I read that the system's length is 71 kms. Was there a recent expansion of the system and if not how does the system grow by 6 kms out of thin air. Either the earlier article I read stating the system was 65 kms long was incorrect or the fact that it is 71 kms is incorrect. Could someone clarify what is the actual true length of the Montreal Metro.

Posted by John from Vancouver BC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.121.131.68 (talk) 15:35, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merging with WikiProject Canada template?

Moved to Template talk:WikiProject Canada § Cities

I have made it possible to add an article to the Canada and Montreal articles at once using {{WikiProject Canada |montreal=yes}}. It can be used along with other Canada projects, for example {{{{WikiProject Canada |montreal=yes |music=yes |nl=yes | class=start |importance=low}} for a band that moved from Newfoundland to Montreal. You can still use the existing {{WikiProject Montreal}} template if you want to use a unique importance rating or use the map= or photo= parameters, but in general it's useful to share the work between projects. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 03:10, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is not useful, since it makes a hash of Montreal importance ratings. We had a discussion on this talk page, that did not support adding Montreal to WPCANADA banner. 76.66.192.73 (talk) 10:26, 31 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Straw poll

Hi, WikiProject Montreal. I'd like to do a straw poll to see if and how you would like to allow tagging of your articles using a merged template. The Canada template is kind of a top-level catchall template that allows all Canadian WikiProjects to be added to talk pages at once with a standardized setup.

If the option is allowed, it would let users add articles to both this project and WikiProject Canada using {{WikiProject Canada |Montreal=yes}}. This is also how articles from projects like Canada Sports and Canada Roads are done, so you would be able to add articles to multiple projects using something like {{WikiProject Canada |montreal=yes |music=yes}}.

The projects would share a class rating, but WPMontreal would have it's own importance rating using |montreal-importance=. Optionally, it could be set to default to WPCanada's importance if there is no Montreal importance and put the article into the additional category Category:Montreal articles with inherited importance. It would also show the Montreal portal on the template, though we're still looking into exactly how that would look.

My questions to you are:

  1. Do you want to allow users the option of tagging WPMontreal articles using the WPCanada template?
  2. If it is allowed, would you want it to default to the WPCanada importance rating when there is no Montreal importance rating (assuming that you can track which articles have inherited importance)?

Thanks for your input! --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:06, 1 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • I am Opposed to WPCANADA importance ratings, since they will almost always rate any city article as "low importance" and that's just wrong. I see no advantage in using the WPCANADA banner, since it will delete the city portal from the banner linkage. This inherited importance, being usually wrong, is worse than useless (being as it would be wrong), and should not be implemented even were Montreal be flagged onto the WPCANADA template. 76.66.192.73 (talk) 04:52, 2 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • For the record, the current setup allows, but does not require, Montreal articles to be tagged jointly with WPCANADA, but always uses separate importance scales for the two projects. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 17:54, 7 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry I just saw this. I strongly support the idea of a merged template with WikiProject Canada. I believe I raised this very question with Mtlskyline (or someone) when I first saw the WikiProject Montreal banner. It made no sense to me that Montreal's banner -- and those of other Canadian cities with their own projects -- would somehow exist independently of WikiProject Canada. The national banner has provincial sub-projects; yet cities are a vital part of provinces. This all must be merged, I feel. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 20:22, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Opposed. It would make more sense to me (and be more in line with the constitution of Canada) that Montreal and other Quebec municipalities be directly tied to the Quebec Wikiproject/portal. The same goes for all other provinces : municipal government is 100% provincial jurisdiction. That the wikiprojects of the provinces (and territories) be directly tied to the Wikiproject Canada makes more sense. Also, not in direct connection with this vote but related to the subject, the French Wikipedia is (oddly enough) ahead of English Wikipedia on regions of Quebec portals (see Portails des régions du Québec. ) Anyone wants to help me create corresponding English portals? -- Mathieugp (talk) 21:58, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The Quebec Wikiproject does all of its assessments through the Canada template, so there is no provincial assessment template for Montreal to go through. —Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 22:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That's because there is no body to maintain the Quebec wikiproject a the moment... It has been like that for a long time as far as I can tell. Hey, want to volunteer for the task? ;-) -- Mathieugp (talk) 23:05, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The fact that "municipal government is 100% provincial jurisdiction" is irrelevant to the average reader. We don't organize Wikiprojects according to our constitutional peculiarities, surely. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 15:17, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Quebec English

See WT:CANADA for further discussion on whether Quebec English should be used on Quebec articles, or should Canadian English be used on Quebec articles instead of Quebec English. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 04:54, 28 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Template:Quebec English

FYI, {{Quebec English}} has been nominated for deletion. IT is an WP:ENGVAR template. 70.29.208.247 (talk) 04:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Zero-Knowledge Systems

Radialpoint was G11 deleted today (15 May)... seems like someone rewrote it as an advert? But it existed for years as Zero-Knowledge Systems, so I don't see why a revert couldn't have been done. [1][2][3]

The firm has quite a few Reliable Sources ... http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=zero-knowledge+systems&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ned=uk&btnG=Search+Archives

70.29.208.247 (talk) 10:29, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Streets, avenues, boulevards

There are numerous inconsistencies in the naming of streets, avenues, and boulevards of Montreal. I propose we fix this by following the precedents of most other toponyms in Quebec, which is also that of the first French-language city in the world just before Montreal (Paris). Regarding Paris, you can have a look here:

Following this most suited precedent, the full French name of the street, avenue or boulevard is used, but only for the article title and the infobox title. The rue particle (the only one that is different from English really) need not to be used later in the article. So this would give something like: "Rue Saint-Denis is a street located blablabla. The street is blablabla."

What do you think? -- Mathieugp (talk) 15:32, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There's a difference here that needs to be taken under consideration. Montreal has a significant English-speaking community, which Paris does not have. If you listen to English radio stations in Montreal, they will refer to some streets with the English particle and to other with the French particle. Thus, you are more likely to hear about Sherbrooke Street, and even Park Avenue (not Avenue du Parc) So whatever name is used by Montreal's English-speaking community is the more likely search string here in the English Wikipedia, and that's what should be used as the article title. -- Blanchardb -Me•MyEars•MyMouth- timed 23:40, 2 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Paris has a sizeable minority of every major language group, including English. In my opinion, the issue is not the English-speaking minority in Montreal, but Montreal's past. Montreal was basically an English-speaking city with a lot of French speakers in it for close to a full century. The streets were once officially named in English in some parts of today's territory of Montreal. Out of habit probably, some English speakers (not all) talk of Ste Catherine Street as if it has not been called rue Ste-Catherine for the past several decades. Naturally, I am perfectly aware of this fact, but it seems to me that the younger English speakers and those who arrived in Quebec in the last 30 years, are more likely to be perfectly comfortable with acknowledging the present toponymic reality of Montreal (and Quebec) since the late 1970s, as opposed to ignoring/combating it.
The wikipedia guideline on naming convention which says that the anglicized name of places should be preferred makes sense, and as far as I can understand (by the examples given) was intended mainly for places whose official name is unintelligible to English speakers, because of its use of a non-Latin alphabet or because it cannot be read easily. Also, the convention speaks of "the name of the subject which is most common in the English language, as you would find it in reliable sources (for example other encyclopedias and reference works)." While it is certainly true that in informal conversation people will tend to say "St-Denis Street" (I've heard it), this is not the case in written sources which would be judged reliable by Wikipedia's standards. Radio and what people say on the street do not fall in that category. -- Mathieugp (talk) 02:45, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Paris is not applicable. And WP:COMMONNAME is policy, since many Montreal streets have a common English name, the French version mandated by government is often not the same. Park Avenue is still Park Avenue; you can find reliable sources for many of these things; and radio is a usable source, I've asked before about that, in relation various events. 76.66.195.196 (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Climate

I noticed that Sydney has a Climate of Sydney; as does Vancouver (Climate of Vancouver) ... seems like we should probably try for such an article

76.66.193.119 (talk) 21:57, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Toronto's geography article is almost entirely about climate (Geography of Toronto) . 76.66.193.119 (talk) 21:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Two Solitudes (Canadian society)

FYI, Two Solitudes (Canadian society) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) has been nominated for deletion. 76.66.200.95 (talk) 05:47, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

two sports centers

Bonjour, I make a new page for Soccerplexe Catalogna and Centre Sportif Bois-de-Boulogne. Only verify if everything is correct because I am new member on wikipedia. merci Beaucoup --Charlesquebec (talk) 19:33, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I've done some copyediting, using Canadian English instead of British English or American English. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 10:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nortel article marked low priority in Montreal?

Hi,

I just visited the Nortel page and found out that PKT put in a tag that Nortel is low priority in Montreal. Since I don't understand how these projects work and who makes such decisions about the rank of articles I thought I would drop by and investigate. Can someone please explain to me how it is possible that a company that used to employ many in Montrteal is now considered low-priority in Wikipedia?

TIA Ottawahitech (talk) 22:53, 8 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. And Ottawa is unrated in importance... I would think it should rate as mid-importance. It was rated by user:PKT, who's from Windsor, Ontario; and not a member of WPMontreal, on 2010 November 4. That's very strange. I'll rerate it as mid. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 10:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I went ahead and changed the Ottawa rating, and so far no one has objected... Ottawahitech (talk) 04:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nicolo Rizzuto

As Nick Rizzuto just died, I think it's a good time to improve his article, considering that alot more information in reliable sources should be showing up now, in the news. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 10:02, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rizzuto crime family could also due with some revision. 76.66.203.138 (talk) 10:42, 11 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Battle of Quebec (sports)

We seem to be missing the "Battle of Quebec" in sport. There are articles on it for Battle of Alberta and Battle of Ontario. (Battle of Quebec is a disambiguation page)

The Serie Quebec-Montreal would probably be covered under it as well.

76.66.203.138 (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Name of Montreal

FYI, Name of Montreal has been suggested to be merged away... to Montreal or History of Montreal

76.66.194.212 (talk) 05:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Canada takeover of banners

WikiProject Canada replaced our instructions with their own on our WikiProject page, even though our discussion on this talk page has a majority opinion against the usage they implemented. 76.66.202.72 (talk) 07:23, 1 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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