Talk:Fedora

"Green Fedora" Image

I have deleted the image of the "green fedora" because, simply, the picture is not of a fedora. It is completely obvious that it is not a fedora. It may be a bucket hat, it may not be, but it is not a fedora. Bilz0r (talk) 08:33, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

How can this be?

The article claims that the fedora was invented ~1910, but came from a play in the 1880's! This would appear to be a contradiction, at least as presented. --Maru 17:43, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

Not nessisarily. It is possible, and is indeed presented as such, that it existed in a rough form in the play Fédora, but was perfected as an article of clothing (not just a peice of costumery) in 1910. Then,owing a debt to the original, the final form was named after the play which inspired it. A bit confussing? Yes, but possible none the less. The part that initialy tripped me up was the phrasing of the fact about the names origin. I'll try to rephrase it to make it clearer. Lewiscode 01:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

According to Merriam-Webster's 11th Collegiate Dictionary, the term was used in print to refer to the hat as early as 1891. But given that its onstage debut was on the head of a female character, I wonder whether the answer is that it was regarded as an article of women's apparel at first and the 1910s date refers to it coming into use by men.--Hieronymus Illinensis 21:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC) ...however, there's evidence (see Politics) of a man publicly known to wear one by 1907.Hieronymus Illinensis 21:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

"Kennedy Killed the Hat"

Snopes has a sourced page with pictures of Kennedy wearing a hat at his inauguration. http://www.snopes.com/history/american/jfkhat.htm Unfortunately, I don't have the time to make alterations to the article at this time.

I don't understand how Kennedy wearing a top hat has anything to do with fedoras. Can someone please explain how the comment about Kennedy belongs in the fedora article? Tux204 (talk) 01:22, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

I've removed it as irrelevant. --Tailkinker (talk) 21:17, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Silly Picture

The caption and photograph of "the man on the right is wearing a fedora". How silly and confusing is this. I think it is a bad example and will try to take a better one. Lucky 23 00:47, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Came here to say exactly the above. Looks like you guys got it covered. It's been two months though, so whoever is able to do it, don't leave it up to Lucky 23!! --Davidkazuhiro 05:00, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've got a fedora, but lack a camera... blast. Maybe I can get a picture of myself in it at work. EVula // talk // ☯ // 05:19, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

I've changed the second image to the fedora image from the Borsalino article.144.226.230.36 18:54, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is it stressed on the first or second syllable? — Chameleon 07:54, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Second. --Yossarian 03:39, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Notable wearers

I'm sorry, but I think there are just way too many fedora wearers listed in this article. There's currently almost 100 in the list. Could someone somehow please crop the list down? --Brandon Dilbeck 07:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

At ANY length, a list of fedora wearers that doesn't include the late singer/comedian Jimmy Durante's name is woefully incomplete. -- Bill Glass, 14 August 2007

This is simply an insane list that doesn't really belong on this page, or even on this website. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.126.130.22 (talk) 05:40, August 21, 2007 (UTC)

If you are going to do this list, you need to add more people, like peter doherty 217.42.72.33 (talk) 23:20, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks to the content and illustrations in this article, I now know that the hat I mistakenly believed to be called a homburg is in fact a fedora, and what I believed to be a fedora is in fact a trilby. Perhaps the person who listed Tom Landry as a famous fedora wearer was similarly mistaken; his signature hat clearly appears to be a trilby to my eyes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.208.220 (talk) 01:48, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

On Tom Landry's Wikipedia page, it refers to his hat as fedora. JDDJS (talk) 03:34, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Since when does citing a different, equally misinformed, Wikipedia article constitute source citation?

Correct century

I believe that the century the writer is referring to is the 19th, not the 18th.12.26.125.5 15:23, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

indy

how the hell did no one add the indy jones made them popular. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.20.181.60 (talk) 13:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Scatman

How about Scatman John? Egon Eagle (talk) 16:18, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

August 3 corrections and improvements

This is in response to the unjustified blind revert of the necessary corrections and improvements I made to this article. All my edits today complied with Wikipedia rules and guidelines, and some were based on people's comments above on this talk page. The article was in drastic need of cleaning up, and it still needs a lot of work (including more references) to reach Wikipedia standards.Spylab (talk) 17:50, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

Blind slash-and-burn violates wikipedia guidelines. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 18:47, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

You obviously don't know what "blind" means, and don't understand Wikipedia rules and guidelines.Spylab (talk) 18:29, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Etiquette

I improved the etiquette section, but in retrospect I have no idea why. What is the justification for the section? It may be relevant (emphasis on MAY) to hats in general, but why is it in an article about fedoras specifically? Do any rules cited apply JUST to fedoras? I think it should go bye-bye or BETTER YET added to a generic HATS article (if such an article does not already have it). Comments?72.11.124.226 (talk) 03:10, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

History

Under history, I read "Though the hat was originally for men, it is now more popular for college age men." The phrasing suggests a contrast, perhaps that the fedora "is now more popular for college age women." Or perhaps the contrast is between "[middle-aged] men" and "college age men." It seems that something needs to be adjusted. Tayloj (talk) 03:39, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Tags

I removed the OR tag because it seemed redundant. Sources are needed, that is for sure. If sources are found, it takes care of the OR concern. Just didn't want to have it tip-heavy with tags that really cover pretty much the same legitimate concern. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.11.124.226 (talk) 03:59, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

moving this back

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was PAGE MOVED per discussion below. I've left what I hope is an appropriate dablink at the top of the article. -GTBacchus^(talk) 17:25, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

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• I see no reason to make Fedora (operating system) the primary target of the name. The OS is named after the hat, after all, and only people in the business are likely to more aware of it than the hat. Likewise, other uses of the name are largely in reference to the hat. Mangoe (talk) 21:02, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support per nom. The recent move of fedora to "fedora (hat)" was unannounced and undiscussed. — AjaxSmack 22:54, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
• Most people typing in 'Fedora' expect the Linux Distribution -- 78.52.128.171 (talk) 23:46, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
  • (e/c) At first, when I looked at this, I thought this was a clear case for moving it back to the hat, as that was all I had ever known "Fedora" to mean. However the pageviews here for the hat, and the pageviews here for the operating system show that the operating system has consistently had twice as many page views as the hat, despite the fact that the hat article was used as the primary usage for the term. Also, a google search of "Fedora" comes up with only one website concerning the hat in the first two pages, and nearly all of the others concerning the operating system. It seems like there is no clear primary usage right now, and that the search term Fedora should probably link to the dab page. ƒingers^on_Roids 23:57, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Your page view counts are off because the hat article was located at "fedora" (without a disambiguator) in March. Here are those page views. — AjaxSmack 02:29, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the correction Ajax. I switch my position to support. ƒingers^on_Roids 23:28, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

• Or move Fedora (disambiguation) (which is a disambig with 14 choices) to Fedora. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 12:45, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Looking at the disambig, it begins "Fedora is a type of hat. It may also refer to:" This seems to me a fairly strong statement that the hat is the primary meaning. Mangoe (talk) 13:51, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
• Of the available options, my preferences are 1) move Fedora (disambiguation) to Fedora; 2) move fedora (hat) to fedora; 3) move Fedora (operating system) to Fedora. In no case should Fedora remain as a redirect -- if one topic is the primary topic, that should have the simple title. If there is no primary topic, then the disambiguation page should be at the simple title. older ≠ wiser 12:50, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support. And I even know what Linux is. Clearly primary use. 199.125.109.99 (talk) 20:08, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
• Support - The hat is primary, and even if more people, this week, want to view the article on the software, they can find it on the disambiguation page which is reached by a hatnote link from the hat. --Bejnar (talk) 21:20, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose I don't think the hat is primary use any longer, but the operating system is not primary either. Fedora (disambiguation) should be moved to Fedora. --Born2cycle (talk) 14:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
• Support Many people who want the OS will not know it is a punny name (a derivative of Red Hat) so by placing this article at Fedora with a topnote to the dab page we fulfill the requirement of an encyclopedia being educational as well as informative. --PBS (talk) 11:06, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Moving Fedora (disambiguation) here

I don't think the hat is primary use any longer, but the operating system is not primary either. Fedora (disambiguation) should be moved to Fedora.Create g77 (talk) 16:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

Whoa. I disagree with that move, for the same reasons given above. Silence should perhaps not be interpreted as consent so quickly. I'd like to move the page back. There is no consensus shown for moving it to Fedora (hat). -GTBacchus^(talk) 04:39, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I was happy to see some days ago that Fedora finally pointed out to the distribution rather than the hat. Sigh... Seigneur101 (talk) 14:22, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Where I'm from, fedora is pronounced fəˈdɔərə. I don't know about other places, but I can't imagine fedora being pronounced the way this article clames it is. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.100.162.34 (talk) 06:11, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Jughead Jones and the Pointy Fedora

Clicked here from the Jughead Jones page where it describes his pointy crown hat:

This type of crown-shaped cap often puzzles modern readers, but caps like this were popular among boys in the 1930s and 1940s. It was made from a man's felt fedora hat with the brim trimmed in a zig-zag and turned up. In the 1920s and 1930s, such caps usually indicated the wearer was a mechanic.

It might be an idea to describe that here. (And I'd love to see a picture!) --Mondochrome 14:19, 1 June 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mondochrome (talk • contribs)

Famous wearers

I've removed the "famous wearers" section because, besides the lack of any citations for anything, pretty much any famous male in the 1940s wore a fedora, except for the remaining homburg-wearing diplomats. Mangoe (talk) 12:35, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Fair enough... Dinkytown talk 15:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Perhaps a separate page could be set up with a "List of Famous Fedora Hat Wearers." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.237.208.220 (talk) 01:50, 31 January 2011 (UTC)