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Notice regarding

Date of birth

Some internet websites contain rumours that the year of birth for this artist is 1982 instead of 1984, based upon an alleged screenshot of a medical database.

However, this has not been seen on a reliable source.

Please do not change the date-of-birth unless a) you can provide a reliable source, and b) you ask on this talk page before changing it

All additions to Wikipedia need to be verifiable. A reliable source is something with a 'reputation for fact-checking and accuracy', and editorial control. Examples include mainstream newspapers. If in doubt, check on the reliable sources noticeboard.

We would like to keep this article unprotected, so that anyone can edit it, so please, only add facts with reliable sources.

Please respect the guidance regarding biographies of living people.

Many thanks,  Chzz  ►  20:55, 14 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Date of Birth

Nicki herself clearly states she was born December 8, 1984. So, shes currently 25. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKnwJkhzy4&feature=related

[1] Shelbybby16 (talk) 20:28, 19 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for that; interesting to note, although not a reliable source, unless this 'www.Hot937.com' thing keeps all its videos forever, and is considered to have a decent reputation for its coverage. But really, we don't need it; we already have two reliable sources stating her year of birth.
To add the actual date, we'd need a better reference than that; YouTube isn't a reliable source - except very occasionally, when it is some official 'channel' thing. But...well, it looks like, at present, her actual DAY/MONTH of birth hasn't been published independently, so it is best leaving it out.
The problem is, there are some non-reliable sources claiming a different year, claiming that she is lying about it, and therefore people keep insisting on changing it.
Often, people misunderstand;
Wikipedia only cares about verifiability, not truth!
People sometimes lie about their age; that is none of our business unless some reliable source has reported on the issue. If some (RS) newspaper, magazine or something decides to write about this alleged date-of-birth, then we'll happily cite it, and appropriately cover the fact.
Currently, I have seen no evidence of any such coverage.
I just wish others would understand the above, and stop changing the date; sadly, we've had to semi-protect the article because people insist on adding facts without reliable sources. All we can do is, keep an eye on the article, and try to explain to people about the need for references.
Anyway - sorry to go on about it; it's an ongoing problem. Thanks for mentioning about the video.  Chzz  ►  03:15, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The only citation provided in the article to confirm that specific date is from a French-language website that seems itself likely to have gotten that date from wikipedia. Aside from the fact that a reputable english-language source had not been found to confirm that date her birth year is in need of a reliable source.Duhon (talk) 08:52, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, and your tagging [1] was fine. Vibe [2] only says 1984, the year, and yes, culturefemme [3] does give the date - but, considering the controversy, etc, I really do think the DoB should be removed - in accord with WP:BLP - unless we can source it better.  Chzz  ►  14:41, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I agree with its removal. I actually think having it up is somewhat irresponsible, a lot of these websites now simply get information on subjects from wikipedia and we may have cases where the source used to cite the date actually got the date itself from wikipedia. Sort of a self creating catch-22. Duhon (talk) 04:06, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just someone please make sure that if the year/date is deleted (which of course is fine by me since there doesn't seem to be reliable -sourcing on the matter) that a firm 'comment' could perhaps be placed within the coding for the article to try and keep another unending chain of reversions & deletions regarding the birth-year from happening again. Shearonink (talk) 13:10, 18 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, having spent too much time today researching Ms. Minaj's birthdate, her birthyear and her birth-month, this is what I have come up with so far. VIBE magazine states that Ms. Minaj was born in 1984. VIBE is a published magazine with an editorial-oversighted website and a quarterly magazine, so the year/date of 1984 should not be in dispute. I have been unable to find any otherreliable sources, such as a published biography/book or an artist's profile in reliable-source media (Rolling Stone, VIBE, etc.) that actually states her full and complete birthdate. That being said, the present tag of 'unreliable source' doesn't accurately describe the state of the sourcing regarding Ms. Minaj's birth date/month/year. There is coverage in numerous sources about Ms. Minaj's various birthday parties in December 2010 stating that these events were for her 26th birthday. But, this information is not specifically and completely written out in these other sources as 'December 8, 1984'.
So, this is what I have come up with as a verifiable and sourced edit...
  • I took out the reference to the complete date in the lede.
  • I then changed the first sentences in Nicki Minaj#Early life to the following:
Minaj was born in 1984(VIBE reference) in Saint James,(Trinidad Express reference)(Pink Friday album Notes reference)(Billboard.Com reference) (a suburb of Trinidad and Tobago's capital city Port of Spain). She celebrated her 26th birthday (December 8, 2010)(La Culture Femme reference)(Boombox.Com reference) on December 9th in Las Vegas.(HipHopWired reference)(TMZ.Com reference)
I hope that's ok. Shearonink (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

TOUR

Nicki Minaj said that her tour kicks off in march! can you http://mypinkfriday.com/users/nicki/blogs/626521add that! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 01:48, 23 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That blog is not considered a reliable source, sorry.  Chzz  ►  14:44, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

but that is Nicki Minaj's OFFICIAL website101TylerT (talk) 23:53, 17 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

LAST ETHNICITY DEBATE LOL

Alright. Nicki Minaj is Trinidadian, and from my understanding of their history (and personal experiences as I AM Trini as well), it's mostly black people and brown people of East Indian descent. Onika's last name is Maraj, which is of Indian origin, but we already knew that. The "Afro-Trinidadian" part does not mean she's African, it means she's black. And black people originate from Africa. Therefore Indo-Trinidadian and Afro-Trinidadian does not mean she's African, Indian, and Trinidadian, it means she's Trinidadian with descendants from India and Africa. Most black people and brown people in Trinidad consider themselves Trini, though, and not African or Indian... Afro-Trinidadian and Indo-Trinidadian is more of a "scientific" term to detail origin. In a recent issue of King Magazine, Nicki Minaj also confirms that she's part Asian. Reference link here: http://www.nickiminajphotos.com/details.php?image_id=3469 Considering that there is quite a numerous amount of Chinese Trinidadians in Trinidad, this is possible and quite common. And yes, I said Chinese. The only asians that ever --68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)made it to the island were Chinese. Maybe there are new immigrants from other Asian countries now in recent times, but back in history, the Chinese were sent here as laborers just like the Indian. However, that's just my opinion.[reply]

Bottom Line: Nicki Minaj is Trinidadian of "African", Indian, and Asian descent. http://www.nickiminajphotos.com/details.php?image_id=3469 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.165.193.216 (talk) 05:52, 28 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please read the policies and guidelines regarding synthesis, original research, and verifiability.
Bottom line: we'd need reliable sources to make a change.  Chzz  ►  14:55, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Nicki Minaj's family is from Trinidad, however, she was born in Jamaica, Queens, New York. http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Nicki-Minaj-Biography/26478622F823F40E4825762A0021181C, specifically the southside of Jamaica which is a part of queens, which is a part of New York, NY. Therefore, she was born in the united states. It should say she is a Trinidadian American. Saying she is from Trinidad is like saying either 50 cent or Beyonce are from africa,--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The link you provided is not a reliable source. It has been verified that she was born in Trinidad. [It is written in the liner notes of Pink Friday, if you're interested.] Yves (talk) 03:06, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
She was raised in the US and is a citizen of the US, so that makes part of her origin the US. Plus, her parent label is here and she's lived here the majority of her life. And when a person who is born in Canada becomes a citizen, the yare refered to as a Canadian American/. And if that not enough, most of her success is in the US, so discography wise, its an improvement to list it first--68.79.98.217 (talk) 03:28, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe this is confusing you... There are no reliable sources stating that she is a citizen of the United States. It is 100% possible for her to live here 20+ years without getting neutralized. Therefore, we cannot label her American. And your argument "most of her success is in the US, so discography wise, its an improvement to list it first," most of the Australian Kylie Minogue's success in in the United Kingdom, but we don't treat the case any different. I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:56, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Niki Minaj is an American because she was born in the Americas (of which the Caribbean is a part) and spent most of her days in the Americas.198.151.130.69 (talk) 04:00, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I believe you may have your geography mixed up. The only part of the United States in the Caribbean are a few minor outlying islands, and Trinidad isn't one of them. A reliable source is required to claim she is Trinidadian-American. Citizenship laws are different for every country, and sources are needed to verify this legal claim. It does not matter where her success lies; in fact, highlighting songs with high peaks and successful charting is seen as a violation of Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy. We strive to represent facts fairly on Wikipedia. You could argue the same for Rihanna, who is Bajan and not American: she has seen much success in the United States, yet her discography article, which is considered one of the best on Wikipedia, lists the US last, of course, because the countries follow alphabetical order. Yves (talk) 04:03, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
See Americas 198.151.130.69 (talk) 00:19, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The Americas
While "People unconnected with the United States rarely call themselves American" and "The English-speaking world normally uses the word to refer to a permanent resident of the United States of America, or a person born in the U.S. and identified with it", and Canadians abroad typically resent being referred to as "Americans", there is nothing technically wrong with referring to a non-US person native to the Americas or raised in the Americas as an "American". 198.151.130.69 (talk) 00:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thers's a difference, because Rihanna spent her entire life in Bajan and only move to the US becuz a US label saw internest in her. However, although there is debate over where Nicki was born, she lived in Queens, NY, NY for a lot of her child hood, before a music career was even thought of. With that being said, she does have more reason to call the US her country of origin. And I didn't mean do it, becuz she saw the most success there. I just dont get why your trying to argue against the fact that she lived in the US for most of her life, when it infact makes it look better. --68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Plus Nicki Minaj is too much in the public eye to be illegally in the US. She would have been deported by now if she wasnt, especially with all of the laws, same with Rihanna.--68.79.98.217 (talk) 22:48, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Hm, she might not be an "American" but she sure as heck has been a "New Yorker". So why not just say "Trinidadian and New York" and leave it at that? — Rickyrab | Talk 00:35, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

A New Yorker is an American--68.79.98.217 (talk) 02:25, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Onika Tanya Maraj is not a verified citizen of the United States of America. What part of that is hard to understand? There is no grey area in that. All of our citations confirm her birth in Trinidad and Tobago. That's it. End of discussion. At least that is the end of the discussion until her paper work is released, or something. I Help, When I Can. [12] 03:21, 6 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

But what if she publicly self-identifies as American? Would that not be enough to rightfully classify her as American? Are we certain that the nationality of every person who has an article on here is verified through legal papers? 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:26, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, scratch that. I already made that point once, I'm repeating myself. But I still would love to see proof that you guys are this strict on the matter on the articles of other people. 24.189.87.160 (talk) 08:39, 7 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We are that strict. If reliable sources said she was born in New York, that's another story, but reliable sources say she was born in Trinidad. American laws about citizenship basically state, if you are born in America, you automatically get citizenship. Minaj was not. Do you get it? I Help, When I Can. [12] 00:44, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
We are, and we have to be. If you click the link at the top of the page, you can see guidelines on article for biographies of living persons. Facts should come with reliable sources. Wikipedia also operates under a neutral point of view policy, so highlighting the US because she has seen the most success there (i.e., "[making] it look better") is not appropriate. Yves (talk) 00:50, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Archive

This talk page has an archive, but currently it is not automated.

I suggest we auto-archive all threads older than, say, 3 months from this page.

Any objections, please state them below. If nobody shouts for a week or so, I'll do it. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  15:11, 13 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've now done this.  Chzz  ►  23:40, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

billboard hot 100 singles

7 singles on the billboard hot 100 is far from a record. the Beatles had twice that in April 1964. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.24.252.68 (talk) 01:30, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NICKI MINAJ MIGHT HOST SHOW "X FACTOR"

NICKI MINAJ IS IN TALKS WITH HOSTING THE HIT SHOW "XFACTOR" HERE IS PROOF : http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/03/nicki_1.html 68.48.90.66 (talk) 20:50, 19 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AWARD

NICKI MINAJ NOMINATED FOR THE 1ST EVER "MTV O MUSIC AWARDS"............... SHE IS NOMINATED FOR: "Must Follow Artist on Twitter" , "Must Follow Artist on Twitter" , "Fan Army FTW" , and "Favorite F**k Yeah Tumblr" ,..... PROOF: http://omusicawards.tumblr.com/ and http://twitter.com/#!/MTVOMA http://www.theboombox.com/2011/04/05/tyler-the-creator-and-nicki-minaj-lead-mtv-o-music-awards-noms/ 68.48.90.66 (talk) 21:29, 5 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Origin

She was born in Trinidad and Tobago and "Her parents were of Indian and Afro-Trinidadian ancestry", and, "she lived in Saint James, Trinidad and Tobago[10] with her grandmother until age five, because her parents were looking for a place to live in the Queens borough of New York City at the time"....... So how come her "ORIGIN" is stated as "Queens, NY"?! 60.51.94.70 (talk) 11:39, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"Origin" is different from "birth place": the template documentation tells us the origin field is for where the singer or group originated, which, if used, should be different from the birth place. Yves (talk) 18:32, 13 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Nicki's Official Website

Don't you think it would be worth adding in Nicki's official website? [2] She has confirmed her tour with Britney Spears on this, as well as many other things worth mentioning within the article. Surely there is no more reliable source than her official website? Missminajj (talk) 02:28, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It's already in the article, both in the infobox and in the external links section. Yves (talk) 02:35, 22 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Remix with Britney Spears and Ke$ha for "Till the World Ends"

Will someone please add in the section 2010 and present that Nicki Minaj collaborated with Britney Spears and Ke$ha for the remix of Till the World Ends? I have already put in the song in her singles chronology but someone needs to confirm that she was also in the song. For more information about Till the World Ends please click on the page for the song.


Qafreeman23 (talk) 04:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC) Qafreeman23 04:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

AWARDS

NICKI HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR THE "MTV JAPAN VMAS" FOR "BEST COLLABORATION" W/ WILL.I.AM FOR THE SONG "CHECK IT OUT"! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.90.66 (talk) 01:19, 30 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Possible 2nd Album

I've heard rumors that Nicki Minaj is working on a 2nd album. Should we add that into the article? These are the sources that I have seen: http://theurbandaily.com/music/theurbandailystaff2/nicki-minaj-second-album/ http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.14830/title.nicki-minaj-plans-to-make-announcement-about-second-album-in-september —Preceding unsigned comment added by Awesome444a444 (talk • contribs) 15:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Full list of alter-egos?

Would it be appropriate to add an entire list of Minaj's alter-egos? I'm not sure if a "reliable" source can be found for every single one, but I've counted a total of fifteen:

  1. Barbie AKA The Harajuku Barbie
  2. Cookie
  3. Dear Old Nicki
  4. Dexter
  5. Lap Dance Nika
  6. Martha Zolanski
  7. Nicki Lewinsky
  8. Nicki Teresa
  9. Nicki the Boss
  10. Nicki the Ninja
  11. Norman AKA Blanket
  12. Onika Maraj
  13. Roman Zolanski
  14. Rosa
  15. And, of course, Nicki Minaj

I don't know if Wikipedia considers this information relevant enough, but I'd be willing to try to find sources for as many as possible if needed. Mhavril39 (talk) 06:27, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

BET AWARDS

NICKI MINAJ HAS BEEN NOMINATED FOR 3 BET AWARDS. ADD IT!

  1. ^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHKnwJkhzy4&feature=related
  2. ^ www.mypinkfriday.com
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