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In later years he was refering to himself as "Russian" simply. Several subarticles were made last month to cut down the length of this article, such as:

Name

His correct name is Joseph Vissarionovich Djugashvili as it was his official name on his sovyet identification papers and at the tiflis school seminary where he graduated from and at the gori municipality where he was born. so i dnt understand why people put his nickname stalin for the title of the article. It should be Joseph Djugashvili, this is the correct one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mehrnia (talk • contribs) 14:48, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wermacht

Correct spelling is Wehrmacht, as per the WP entry.

re lead + mention of birthplace

Another user, User:GeordieWikiEditor, is insisting on including "Georgian-born" at the beginning of the lead. This article has an unusually long lead, but then there's a lot to say about this person. There's a lot of info here for the reader to process and I don't think "Georgian-born" is a key point (I also surmise that User:GeordieWikiEditor may be Georgian and there is special pleading going on here.)

Looking at other foreign-born leaders, Napoleon's article mentions his birthplace only in the second paragraph, Alexander Hamilton's only in the fourth paragraph, but Hitler's is right up front. So I don't know. I haven't reverted this a second time, but I'm opposed to it, although it's not a key matter either way. At any rate, I think that User:GeordieWikiEditor should make his case here (I have invited him to do so), and failing that I think that reverting would be in order. Herostratus (talk) 16:53, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I agree completely. The addition to the lead sentence needs a explanation. meitme (talk) 18:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The thing is, some people don't know this fact at all, although it appears to be quite important for the understanding of the Bolshevik revolution. Many prominent Bolsheviks in fact belonged to ethnical minorities, which were discrimintated against in the Russian Empire, such as Georgians, Armenians, Poles and Jews. Another thing is, Stalin's accent was quite accute and clearly identified him as a non-native Russian speaker.

On an unrelated note, Lenin died of a stroke, not a heart attack. Can somebody with an account correct that? 83.149.3.175 (talk) 13:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I remember "Georgian-born" used to be there before. I am Georgian and I have a "special pleading" about that:)) The facts are: he was born and raised up in Georgia. Unfortunately, we can not change those facts. I would be very pleased if you can somehow hide this even on whole page. He was a devil and devils do not need a special birth place. Let he be soviet, Russian or whatever but not a Georgian! :) --Fotoni (talk) 10:16, 1 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin height

The article appears to be biased and incorrect in several ways for instance for Stalin height it states: While photographs and portraits portray Stalin as physically massive and majestic (he had several painters shot who did not depict him "right"),[287] he was only five feet four inches high (160 cm).[287] (President Harry S. Truman, who stood only five feet nine inches himself, described Stalin as "a little squirt".[288]"

About his height, which the article describe as 160cm is just incorrect. Several pages and historical record give his height at 173&175cm, other give him just 168cm, but is probably more than both. For instance I myself am 180cm, I was one of the shortest in school and am still shorter than most of the peoples.. I don't know where you found that his height was just 160cm...

When looking for Stalin photographs, appears nor short nor high and that includes the photos in Jalta conference and others. When looking for Lenin Stalin photos, Lenin looked considerable shorter than Stalin and Lenin was considerable shorter than anyone around him stooding just 5'5.

About the Harry S. Truman remarks, please don't jump right into conclusion that this remarks were anything about the Stalin height, the word 'little' could describe a lot of things here. 188.230.132.58 (talk) 14:29, 19 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard this picture states Stalin's height, though not knowing the language I can't really verify it myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stalin%27s_Mug_Shot.jpg 88.112.213.244 (talk) 10:54, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It says 1 m 74 cm. Materialscientist (talk) 11:01, 13 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Why no Cyrillic?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't it standard to give a person's name in the language/alphabet they would've used if it differs from the standard English version? Why isn't that done here? 23:17, 9 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.98.178 (talk)

Take a look at the information box on the right. I see both Russian and Georgian. Graham Colm (talk) 23:56, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

D'oh. OK, I just for some reason thought it was standard to put it in the main body of the text, right after the first mention of their name. But I guess that would be redundant if it's already there. 14:47, 10 July 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.192.98.178 (talk)

Caption for the second image

I believe the caption for the second image has a typo, "Young Stalin, circa 1894, age 16, and Ioseb in his mid-twenties, c. 1902." Should the word "Ioseb" be changed to "later"? 70.99.188.70 (talk) 14:20, 19 July 2011 (UTC)Steve, 7/19/2011[reply]

No, because "Ioseb" is the transliteration of his Georgian first name. --Spiff666 (talk) 14:05, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Stalin's organ

Croatian writer Giancarlo Kravar: The so-called Stalin's organ, Kaćuša, were in World War II against Nazi-fascism more effectively than the Vatican organ, and all the prayers.85.114.62.130 (talk) 17:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fine. Do you have any source?--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫Heyit's meI am dynamite 17:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

It is my conclusion. Giancarlo Kravar.93.137.39.81 (talk) 18:48, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin's birthday debate

Hello I took many classes on Stalin and we talked about his birthday dispute. On Stalin's School Leaving Certificate it says he was born on Dec. 6, 1878. People think that stalin changed his birthday to another date to make himself younger, to the peoples eyes at least. I will put some links that talk about this dispute. I'm not saying to change his birth day but to put in that theres a dispute over it. On an A&E TV show called Hitler and Stalin the roots of evil they mention this dispute, you could look it up on youtube but you'll have to watch the whole thing because I don't know when they say it but I do know they say it because I've watched it before.

Note: Stalin changed his name and birthday many times when he got taken in by the Czar's army. --Frankonno (talk) 15:20, 20 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Introduction needlessly discusses (praises) Trotsky

Why does the introduction to this page discuss and praise Trotsky so much? For someone who is extremely familiar with this subject, it is a little irritating to see Wikipedia degraded like this. Earlier versions of this page had a better introduction. I feel the introduction really cannot argue to be an unbiased presentation of fact, but has been hijacked by people with an agenda. I acknowledge Stalin was not the nicest of people (partly the reason for my fascination with him and also probably equally relevant to why he was so effective), but Wikipedia should refrain from such embarrassingly one-sided presentation of what *actually* is relevant. Whether some people view Trotsky as the wronged saviour of the perfect system (which I dispute), this page should present what actually was the case. If you praise Trotsky to such an extent, then why not praise Kamanev, Zinoviev and Bukharin. In reality, when viewing this subject from a dispassionate perspective, Trotsky should only qualify for the briefest (I would argue verging on none) mention in the introduction. I'm not going to propose an edit, but I hope those with an understanding of this subject can see fit to present this subject in a more accurate light. So many pages from 20th century history link to this page. To have such significant mention of Trotsky in the introduction is simply not justified.

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