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Articles on Iraqi villages

Great job on the articles you've created! A couple of things, Wikipedia style is that the first time you name the subject in an article, you put in in bold by putting three apostrophes before and after the term. You might also consider adding the articles to a category, such as Category:Cities and towns in Iraq to list them with other Iraqi communities. You don't have to do that if you don't feel like it, on Wikipedia, someone else will normally take care of it for you (like I've done on most of the articles you started).

Also, I made a note on the discussion page for Sarsink, if you could help me out. I can't tell if you meant to title the article Sarsing or if it's just an alternate spelling. See you around! NickelShoe 14:10, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyrights

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Ankawa, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. For more information about Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, take a look at our Five Pillars. Happy editing! NickelShoe 15:14, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The guy that posted articles on Iraqi villages

Hi their and thank you for your comments and for the tips. I will try to correct my mistakes in the future. And as for the pictures, they were taken from a charity group that has allowed me to post them. Is it ok posting these pics?

Um, I don't know the rules on copyrights for images. You should check out Wikipedia:Copyrights.
I looked up Sarsink and it looks like Sarsing is an accepted alternate spelling. So I may put up a redirect. Also, remember to sign your posts on talk pages by entering ~~~~ at the end of your post. Don't worry too much about formatting issues and whatnot, as long as you're contributing good original content. NickelShoe 19:43, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hi Chaldean,

No, I'm American. I live in California. :) I guess the Chaldeo-Assyrians weren't on the list of templates to chose from. Anyways, I got all of my independence tags from User:Nightstallion/userboxes. The way to add them to your user page is, for example, try going to my user page. Once you're there click on "edit this page" and you'll see this:

{{Boxboxtop|Independence}}
{{User independent Tibet}}
{{User independent West Papua}}
{{User independent Chechnya}}
{{User independent Basque Country}}
{{User independent Catalonia}}
{{User independent Kurdistan}}
{{Boxboxbottom}}

Copy it, and paste it onto your user page. Then you can remove or add whatever you want. I hope that helped! --Khoikhoi 07:57, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, since I noticed that you're Chaldean, you might consider joining Syriacs/miniproject (scroll down).
Another thing, a lot of the images that you've been uploading... did you take any of them? It's fine if they were all from other websites but you have to have their permission. That's all. --Khoikhoi 08:02, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well make sure that you add the tag {{GFDL-self|Chaldean}} to all the images that you took. State that you have permission for the ones that you didn't take. If an image doesn't have a source, it migtht be deleted - it's a harsh rule, but we have to keep Wikipedia legally possible. --Khoikhoi 08:13, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Allright, for the images that you didn't take, since you have permission for all of them, you should add the {{GFDL}} tag to them. ({{GFDL-self|Chaldean}} for the ones you took)
As for your template (I called it "tag" by mistake, that's for images), you should ask User:Nightstallion. --Khoikhoi 08:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. I have a question: did you create Image:Assyrianmapind.JPG by yourself? --Khoikhoi 08:25, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You can answer that last question later. I need to go to sleep. Adios. --Khoikhoi 08:29, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi. Please read Wikipedia:Copyright. You're not allowed to copy from other websites unless they release the text under the GFDL. I noticed a lot of the Karamles page was copied from [1] and [2]. Do you have their permission? --Khoikhoi 08:08, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you have permission for the text for all of these websites, please state that you do at the bottom of all these pages, such as what was done on the Tats page. (look at the bottom) --Khoikhoi 08:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nice Article on Assyrian Independance

I took the Kurdistan box from you. hehe

Good job!

Hey, nice work on the new Assyrian independence template. You can see that I changed your user page to add Template:User independent Assyria. --Khoikhoi 05:28, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I just typed in "Template:User independent Assyria" to the search bar on the left. Right below where is says No page with that title exists, I clicked on create an article with this title. --Khoikhoi 05:32, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

syriacs

the problem with syriacs from iraq is that they are very kurdified. the syriacs from syria-turkey-lebanon are probably the only pure nationalist lefts. especially those from turabdin in southeast turkey. These dont bend for kurds turks nor arabs, A syraic who is with the kurds is against his own people. You can talk about politics till tomorrow but the fact are the same. The kurds have killed our people and is still doing so, eventhoug today their way of killing is slightly been modified. that is they use propoganda. And thos who cant see that I feel pity for them.

Our nation, that is bethnahrin is undesputed unquestionable non negotiable with kurds,arabs,nor turks. There is no middleway. Bethnahrin , that is whole bethnahrin is our homeland, our beloved nation. Never shall we agree to share the identity of our land with those who work day and night to claim our nation as theirs. Our nation is one, our people is one, Syriacs from bethnahrin. I will to my last breath work agains those who make an alliance with the enemy of my people.

If you want to start the grass root movement within your people. then why not start today, why do you not engage with others now to start the movement and create the idelogy of the syriac nation. I can answer you why you cant, it is because you dont have a clear vision of your own nation, nor of your people. Your eyes gaze towards Iraq, but that area is a lost cause. our nation is first to be build with in the people , that is in the peoples hearts. Then we can start to claim the so called assyria or aramea or babylon or what ever. If you truly want a nation then you must have a complete ideology a vision of the future.

Hi

I hope the best with the plans of a future nation, but I will never accept a kurdish state. Because I know that kurds never can live in peace. I think that it is better if you dont give support to the kurds, if iraq will be devided due to the war between sunnis and shias then you should conetrate your self on that, there is no lahmo from the kurds, only bitter water. Michael 10:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Pshena

It makes me very glad that you did that. I really hope for an Assyria in the future, although its a very hard. --Yuhanen Beth Tshallo 17:21, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have also written a new article on the Iraq page. I hoped that you could help me to improve it.--Yohanun 18:55, 14 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Hey man. I think the creator of this website, Jimbo Wales decided that it wasn't a good idea to categorize users by their political beliefs. --Khoikhoi 19:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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To the person who did the articles on the Assyrian people and facets of Assyrian life

I would like to say congratulations on the work you did on those articles. Normally, I don't read a lot of articles regarding minority ethnic groups, but your articles were the first ones I've seen, and I'd like to say that you do a great job. Where are you from? You can reply on my talk page. -Daniel Blanchette 21:32, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't remember which articles exactly, but whatever they were they were excellent. Unfortunately, I didn't hear about the bombings of the four churches (even the BBC didn't mention it on last night's news, which airs in my area at 11pm on WSBE, the local PBS station in my area), which is sad because it is stories like that that really need to be heard among the stories regarding Bob Woodruff, the roadside bombs aimed at US troops, and anything to do with Iraq. Even though I'm only a student at a Catholic high school in my area, I have friends from all walks of life - I even have Jewish friends, Hindu friends, and Muslim friends. I'm the type of person that believes in diversity, and somehow the map needs to reflect diversity. Whatever articles you contributed were, you're starting to shake up my world a bit and change my opinion. That's a good thing in my book. -Daniel Blanchette 21:45, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, that article you posted on my talk page certainly was a shocking read. Is there even anything we can do to help solve the problem? Now I'm starting to get concerned. -Daniel Blanchette 01:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To my Assyrian brothers and sisters

===>A small gift that may interest you It's a userbox and regional category. Please feel free to change the wording to include Chaldeans, Syriacs, etc. You may want to add yourself. And before you ask, no, I am not ethnically Assyrian, and I use "brothers and sisters" in a more spiritual sense. If you are wondering why I do not have the Independent Assyrian template on my user page, it is simply because an Assyrian homeland isn't a viable option, and I don't want more of you killed in Iraq, frankly. Plus, if Kurdistan is ever established, an independent Assyrian is essentially impossible. God bless Assyria. -Justin (koavf), talk 03:17, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Shlama

Sorry about the confusion, Chaldean, but I can't read Arabic. Maybe you misread my infobox, but it reads ar-0, meaning I can't understand it. --3345345335534 04:29, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CARTOONS

Showing the figures of Mohammed is disturbing muslims. And it is a insult to Islam. In Islam making and also looking the figures of Mohammed is forbidden.That is raping the holy things of Islam.And it is not about "freedom".PLEASE get back your sıgnature.Thanks.--Erdemsenol 00:47, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Shlamelokh

I've noticed you also dont support Pylambert and Khoikhois claims. I hope me and you with others can cooperate for improving the Assyrian articles as they should be. First of all we need to see how Pylambert and Khoikhois want to deal with their problem, and after that I would like to write more information about the Assyrians in different countrys in the Middle East with you among others. Pushom Pshena. --Yohanun 09:11, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Poll

Ok, I voted. Thanks a lot for helping me out at the Turkish people talk page. Maybe you could get some others to vote. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 22:29, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rosie Malek-Yonan

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Request

Hey Chaldean,

I was wondering if you could do me a favor. Do you know how to revert articles? If you don't, I'll show you how, but I need some help with this user who keeps reverting on the following articles:

What you do, is click on the "history" tab, then click on the version with my name on it, it will look something like this: 

(cur) (last)  04:21, 6 February 2006 Khoikhoi (rvv)

Click on the "04:21, 6 February 2006" part. Once you're there, click on "edit this page", then click "save page".

I would really appreciate your help. Thanks. --Khoikhoi 05:08, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, I want you to revert Altau's edits. You do that by clicking on my edit and saving the page. :) --Khoikhoi 05:16, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, thanks a lot!! Let me know if they're anything I can ever do for you. --Khoikhoi 05:19, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah. What you're seeing is a template. It looks like this: {{World War I}}. What you need to do is type Template:World War I in the search box on the left. (or just click on the link) I think you'll be able to find it from there. --Khoikhoi 05:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
:D --Khoikhoi 05:25, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User page

Check out my user page.

Join the nWo. haha

template:user 666

Sargonious

Great work.

The Assyrian Independence page keeps getting better and better. I can't help you translate Arabic however. My Arabic is very limited. That's why I put level 1. Good luck and keep up the great work!

Semitic

Actually khoni, Arabs, Jews, and Maltese are of Semitic origin. In that sense they are related to us. The Greeks and Armenians however are Indo-European by linguistics. Genetically they are closely related however. The Maltese actually claim descent from the Phonecians whom were conquered by Assyrians.


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Salam

Well, to the best of my knowledge chess isn't forbidden by Islam :), I wish that I won't go to hell for that :), are you a chess player?. Daryou 12:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe backgammon is forbidden (oh yes) but not chess. Anyway I do many things forbidden by Islam, I wish that God will excuse me :D. Daryou 21:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

moved pages

I modified the Assyrian people article so as to include Syriacs and Chaldeans, and these two pages are now just redirect pages towards Assyrian people, as well as Assyro-Chaldeans and (new) redirect pages Syriacs people, Chaldean people and Chaldo-Assyrian people. I guess the "Syriacs" activist will try to revert all the modifications, but this time the Assyrian people article includes enough elements to let lay people understand the nature of the problem. The Syriacs box is now proposed for deletion here. --Pylambert 11:41, 15 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assyrian page

Let's try to make this page a lot better. I don't mean changing it completely but fixing up the grammar, rephrasing things for easier reading, and better referencing. I would love for it to become a featured page. I have a whole book of Assyrian art. It's called Treasures from Assyria in the British Museum. I can try to scan some stuff and upload it to wiki.King Legit

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Sorry, AINA does not give blanket permission to reuse their content. Gareth Hughes 18:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assyrian talk page

Did you like the long comment I made on ignorance? I think it solves a lot of conflict.King Legit

Userbox templates

The administrators deleted them, at the request of Wikipedia's founder, Jimbo Wales. He said, "Userboxes of a political or, more broadly, polemical, nature are bad for the project." Oh well.

Can you please say something to Pylambert on his talk page? Apparently he left Wikipedia. :( I'm trying to talk him back into staying. --Khoikhoi 06:34, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beats me. Maybe it's something that happened in "real life" ;) that took up his time. Oh, by the way, it's "please don't leave", not "please don't live". --Khoikhoi 06:58, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, I thought you were showing your true colors for a second there. Just kidding. --Khoikhoi 07:03, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
His talk page was on my watchlist and it showed up with the comment "leaving Wikipedia". --Khoikhoi 07:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the admin was Turkish, but the ones that you're looking at that are alive an running (which ones, by the way?) were probably substituted into the person's user page, that is, the code was put into the user page, while the template was deleted. I'm not sure how to get them back, you might try posting something on the administrators' noticeboard. Awhile back, before you became a user, people used to be able to see the history of deleted pages, not the deleted pages themselves, but this feature was (it was only there for about a month) because people complained for various reasons.

Oh, by the way, on your user page, the correct English is "Assyrian that takes pride. --Khoikhoi 04:48, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just found the template code at User:Nightstallion/userboxes. I'll re-add it to the users who used to have it. I also noticed that there's a Template:User Assyrian. --Khoikhoi 05:08, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, thanks man. ;) Looks like we didn't get Pylambert to come back though. :( --Khoikhoi 05:37, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, me too. Anything else you need help with? --Khoikhoi 05:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sure! After all, I did make the images for the Japanese, Kurdish, Pashtun, Scottish, Tajik, Berber, and Azerbaijani people pages! Just let me know who you want the pictures to be of. Remember, the order sort of has to be from left to right in chronological order. Perhaps ancient people on the left and contemporary people on the right. --Khoikhoi 06:09, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, how does this sound: Ashurbanipal, Ephrem the Syrian, Hormuzd Rassam, Ammo Baba? --Khoikhoi 06:36, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks man. :D Say, what time is it in Iraq right now? It's 11:19 PM over here. --Khoikhoi 07:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, really? Where do you live in the US? Just curious. --Khoikhoi 07:23, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, so do you know Sargonious? I live in Cali. --Khoikhoi 07:33, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

His user page says he was born in Baghdad and lives in Detroit. Man, the weather isn't so nice in Northern California though, which is where I live. Actually, it's colder, but still nice. --Khoikhoi 07:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Assyrian Article

Dude it's not my fault it came out that way. I'm trying to appease people like Benne who love to sabatoge any mention of Assyrian.King Legit

New image at Assyrian people

What do you think? :) --Khoikhoi 07:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hi Chaldean, would you be able to add your email to your account? You can do that by going to your preferences. I need to send you something... --Khoikhoi 05:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It still doesn't work. Try again. --Khoikhoi 05:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was trying to do it through Wikipedia. Hmmm. Are you sure you put your email in the right box? --Khoikhoi 05:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Still not working, so I'll try some other time. ;) --Khoikhoi 05:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehe, well I guess I can just send it to you by regular email then. --Khoikhoi 06:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I see. I actually already sent you one. Check your inbox. --Khoikhoi 06:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

Keep in mind that Wikipedia has a three-revert rule, which states that no user can revert more than 3 times in 24 hours. Btw, I'll see what I can do to resolve this dispute. --Khoikhoi 06:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I made a compromise. --Khoikhoi 06:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. I'm glad the revert war is over. --Khoikhoi 00:30, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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User contributions

To watch the extreme Chaldean dude, see 64.88.21.21 (talk · contribs). There you can click on his contributions. Also here's Benne (talk · contribs). --Khoikhoi 04:13, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you look at the talk page, you'll notice that it's not one person. The IP is registered to a school district, so it's tons of students. ;) --Khoikhoi 04:21, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Interesting. Let's hope our little friend doesn't edit again. --Khoikhoi 04:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think Chrisch59 (talk · contribs) is the same guy. Btw, please avoid making edit summaries like these. Personal attacks can really get you in trouble. Try to not do it again, no matter how frustrated you feel. --Khoikhoi 02:37, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I'll promise you I'll keep an eye on him. If you are ever not busy with school and work, please try to stop by for awhile. :) By the way, what village are you from? Is it Bakhdida? The Nineveh plains sounds like a very interesting place.
I have a question, since we're not using the term Syriacs on Wikipedia anymore (as a separate article at least), why did did you use it on the Iwardo article? Is it because its inhabitants are a mix of Assyrians and Maronites? If not then we should probably use Assyrian instead. --Khoikhoi 03:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. --Khoikhoi 03:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmmm. Looks like the latter one doesn't have an article. --Khoikhoi 03:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Does it have anything to do with Khoi? The place you mentioned on the Assyrian genocide page. --Khoikhoi 03:24, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I was refering to the fact that Benne used to go around and change every reference of "Assyrians" to "Syriacs". I meant that it should be the other way around in terms of ethnicity. --Khoikhoi 03:26, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's what he did in places like the Chicago article. Also Demographics of Iraq. --Khoikhoi 03:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hehehehe. I just spent quite a bit of my time yesterday reverting Benne's changes from a long time ago, including the Demographics of Iraq article. Would you be able to see the pages that link to Syriacs and make sure that it's used appropriately in all of them? You know a lot more than I do on that subject. --Khoikhoi 03:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Watch your language

You're way out of line. Just because I don't accept some of your edits, because of their POV nature, doesn't mean you should be calling me names like you did in the following edit summary: [[3]]. It's considered a personal attack. I cite: "Abusive edit summaries are particularly ill-regarded." --Benne ['bɛnə] (talk) 09:21, 12 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Benne ile bar d kalwe.

Hon khshaw ile Qurdaya lo Ba'thi. L'ele Suryoyo lo Aturaya lo Kaldaya. He just happens to know of them in his native Bardgahbia or wherever he's from. User:King Legit

Re: I need help

I warned the user. If he/she reverts again just let me know, and be careful not to violate the three-revert rule. Now that I warned the user we can simply report them for breaking the 3RR. --Khoikhoi 02:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting! I noticed that it only mentions his Arabic name in the article, do you by any chance know his native language? Was it Neo-Aramaic? Perhaps you could add that to the article. :) --Khoikhoi 02:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I know all about paternal names. Ashkenazi Jews used to have paternal surnames (see Surname#Ashkenazi Jewish surnames) but eventually we had to adopt certain things from the other Europeans and get names like "Goldstein", "Feinberg" and "Schwartz". :p Jesus Christ probably called himself "Joshua, son of Joseph". (in Aramaic of course)
I think the first time I learned about Arabic names was by reading the Osama bin Laden article. His full name has his grandfather's name in it.
Iranian can either refer to someone from Iran, or someone who is one of the Iranian peoples. This is an ethno-linguistic group, sort of the same type of classification as that of the Germanic peoples, Turkic peoples, and Slavic peoples. Iranian is not an ethnic group, but a group of ethnic groups. They include Persians, Balochis, Tajiks, Kurds, Pashtuns, and a whole bunch of other ethnic groups. For a complete list see the Iranian peoples article. Well, most ethnic groups in Afghanistan are Iranian peoples, so it makes sense I guess. The ones that aren't Iranian are the Uzbeks, Turkmens, and Nuristani. --Khoikhoi 03:35, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Most of them are related ethnically, and most are probably descendants of the Ancient Iranian peoples. However, they're not quite geographically related as the Hazaras are very different from the Ossetians. --Khoikhoi 03:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good question. Actually, I think most Arabs in Iran consider themselves to not be directly related to other Iranian peoples. Just because they live in Iran, they're still Arabs. As for the Iranian Azeris, there's pretty much a split between them - some of them say that they're not a Turkic people (often those who are pro-Iran, but not always), others say that they are (often pro-separatists, but not always). Most Azeris in Azerbaijan for example say that they're a Turkic people. Iranian Azeris who oppose this often call them Pan-Turks. It's a pretty controversial situation. --Khoikhoi 03:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, nationalism really has to be one of the worst ideologies in the world, in my opinion. --Khoikhoi 04:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hello, otally rong infotmation, provide source for your claims! Iranian peoples are a linguistic group who are decendant from different backgrounds. Their languagess due to grammatica similarities is classified as Iranian. Also Aryan is/was not a ethnicity or race, Aryan is/was a linguistic classification. Diyako Talk + 11:26, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong. Diyako, we provided a source to you that clearly states that they are an ethno-linguistic group, but you simply ignored it. You're also wrong about who the Ancient Aryans were - they were the ancestors of the modern Persians, so how could it be just a linguistic term? Btw this has nothing to do with the Nazis. --Khoikhoi 17:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Chaldean. I noticed your comments at Khoikhoi's talk, and while I have no stake in the matter, she may identify herself as "Persian" - see this link [4]. Same article reveals that she also hosted a fundraiser for the victims of the Bam earthquake in Iran. That's the only reason I originally added the "Iranian people" category in the first place. She speaks Persian and her father was born in Iran, so she can be considered "Iranian" in the same way Agassi can be considered "Iranian." But like Arabs, neither would be "Iranian" in the ethnic sense. SouthernComfort 05:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That's an interesting link - it says she is half-Assyrian (what's the other half?) and has been to Iran once, when she was 12 years old. That implies she has Iranian citizenship since according to Iranian law, if one or both of your parents are of Iranian nationality, you are also automatically an Iranian citizen, even if you were born somewhere else (such as myself). Like I said, I'm not going to push anything since she seems to primarily identify as Assyrian, but I wanted to illustrate that very often these things are not so cut and dry. Take Agassi, for example. SouthernComfort 05:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure what you mean. "Iranian" has several clear definitions. SouthernComfort 05:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on the context and the object in question. For example, there is "Iranian" as in nationality. Iranian Arabs, Azeris, Assyrians, and Armenians, for instance, are Iranian in this sense. However, there is also "Iranian" as an umbrella term for a number of ethnic groups - Persians, Lurs, Bakhtiari, Kurds, Baluch, etc. These would be the two most common usages. "Afghan" is a nationality - but Pashtuns and Tajiks (two of the largest Afghani groups) are Iranian ethnic groups like Persians and Kurds. As an ethnolinguistic term it transcends borders. SouthernComfort 06:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I reported the IP. If they revert again, don't revert back or you'll violate the 3RR. --Khoikhoi 16:48, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

List of Assyrians

This is a warning that you have skated very close to WP:3RR on List of Assyrians. Please don't revert so much in future William M. Connolley 18:10, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Armenian Genocide

I've seen for many days and especially today that anons are vandalising the article.have u considered in requesting semi-protection?--Hectorian 17:55, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wish i knew how...but i do not know either.hope that someone will ask for it soon,though. --Hectorian 17:59, 27 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Freak of nature...

stop vandalizing!

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