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Coke

Zizek denies the usage of coke http://www.newstatesman.com/ideas/2009/10/today-interview-capitalism — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.233.131.18 (talk) 02:15, 27 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Redirect

Somebody who knows how simply has to make a redirect without all those little gnats all over the letters. I tried to link here from another article, but not having a Martian keyboard, I couldn't do it. This is the English-language Wikipedia, incidentally, in case anybody's confused. --Milkbreath (talk) 15:37, 24 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Slavoj Zizek already redirects to this article (and has for some time). If you feel any other redirects are required, go ahead and create them. Terraxos (talk) 00:49, 2 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Use cut and paste, and you can recreate the "Martian" characters without a special keyboard!93.96.148.42 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 01:00, 30 March 2009 (UTC).[reply]

Uhmm

I removed the word 'Leninist' from the Lead section. I don't think it's sensible to describe his political stance in the Lead section with one word; when he's not jokingly referring to himself as a fascist or a Stalinist, he can be talking as a liberal leftist, Marxist, Leninist and whatnot. He's also opposed both anarchism and the State in the same talk -- overall his politics are ambiguous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bulbous oxen (talk • contribs) 16:19, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, the "Leninist" characterization adds far more smoke than fire. There are some comparatively narrow ways in which Z speaks positively of Lenin relative to some specific debates. But in many other ways, he is more sympathetic to the intellectual opponents of Lenin (within Marxist circles still, of course): e.g. he's more Luxemburgian relative to her disputes with Lenin.
I'm also not sure why the anon keeps trying to erase Hegel, who figures far more prominently than Lenin--perhaps even than Marx--in Z's work. Yes, in some odd way "Marxists are Hegelians"... except all the ones who are not because they reject or revise Hegel (oh... say Marx rejecting Hegel). LotLE×talk 17:23, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? He has criticised Luxemburg for her reticence and argued passionately on the BBC recently that terror is politically virtuous. He is 100% Leninist, and I think he makes a good argument. Hegelian is very broad and includes a variety of sub-philosophies, but if you insist then fine. --84.67.155.170 (talk) 17:53, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"Recently on the BBC" sure doesn't sounds like biographical perspective, but rather like WP:NEWS. In any case, "terror is politically virtuous" is very hard to find as a "Leninist" position... at least not in the sense that Lenin ever argued such a thing. I'm sure you can find some oddball CP<wherever>-ML group that might claim that position... but this just piles digressions upon artifice upon original research. LotLE×talk 19:13, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

He made the same case in his introduction to Robespierre's "Virtue and Terror". Oh, and Lenin led something called the Red Terror. I have already stated that I'm not making a case for changing the article anymore, so please stop firing inaccurate information at me to bolster your "argument". --84.67.155.170 (talk) 19:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I watched him on a video on YouTube where he states himself as a Stalinist, and in another video where he shows where he lives and shows he has a picture of Stalin on his wall. I've read many of his writings, and I find him fascinating, and probably one of the most smartest people alive. In a way I kind of believe he is a Marxist in a very intellectual way, and Stalinist in a dark humour way, as well as praising Lenin. --Madkaffir (talk) 11:54, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The video where he says he's a Stalinist and shows he has a picture of Stalin on his wall is from the film 'Žižek!'. It's later followed (in the same film) with another clip in the same scene, where Žižek explains it. If I remember correctly, he also commented on the 'Žižek!' film and said that this was the only scene that was intentionally staged for the film. Statements like that are there to provoke, anyone familiar with his work probably knows that he's not a Stalinist. --TheMariborchan (talk) 12:17, 29 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Minor Error

The article has the name "Adrian Johnston" listed under the seventh full paragraph under the "Life" section. The link leads to a British musician. I do not believe this is correct as there is an Adrian Johnston who works as a professor of philosophy at the University of New Mexico who I know has written the stated book on Zizek.

So... I have no idea how to fix that or anything... figured it needed pointing out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.113.5.17 (talk) 17:00, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Right, I'll make DAB pages. If someone can actually write the aritcle on the Adrian Johnston of interest, that would help. LotLE×talk 21:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heraclitus

If Heraclitus was called "the weeping philosopher", I would suggest Žižek be called "the sniffing philosopher." --Tsinfandel (talk) 02:32, 2 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Lede

I suggest that the lede's first sentence as it stands now -- "...is a Hegelian philosopher, Lacanian theoretical psychoanalyst, Marxist political thinker, film theorist, and cultural critic" -- is overly detailed, unwieldy and confusing in its terminology. I have never understood this article's aversion to ascribing to Zizek a nationality. Perhaps somebody could explain it to me. I would suggest something like "...is a Slovenian philosopher and cultural critic working in the Hegelian and Lacanian traditions. He has made contributions to political theory, film theory, theoretical psychoanalysis, and cultural criticism." I realize this renders the last paragraph largely redundant, but something to this effect sounds more felicitous to me. Thoughts? Grunge6910 (talk) 21:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I have no objection to the reworded lead as proposed by Grunge6910. LotLE×talk 07:56, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

German idealism

According to the article, At its most basic, German idealism believes that the truth of something could be found in itself. For Žižek, the fundamental insight of German idealism is that the truth of something is always outside it. This is very uninformative and seems to have nothing to do with German Idealism. After Kant had shown that the existence of God could not be proved, the German Idealists tried to rescue the concept of God by changing its designation from the word "God" to the word "Absolute." How do we go from that to Žižek's "fundamental insight" that "the truth of something is always outside it."?Lestrade (talk) 16:26, 10 November 2009 (UTC)Lestrade[reply]

Your problem with the statement amounts to personal research. It is irrelevant if German Idealist such as Kant actually advocated such a position or not. What matter is If Slavoj Zizek actually advocates this reading or not. I suggest this be given a needs citation. لسلام عليكم - يونس الوجدي گونزاليس (talk) 17:19, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Image

Kudos to whoever provided the photo. It alludes to the (I think) important biographical fact of his incessant gesticulation while speaking, without being pejorative or making him look "like a paedophile" (something he has mentioned being wary of). Ebenheaven (talk) 02:41, 24 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kkolozova (talk) 22:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)Alenka Zupancic could not have become Slavoj's friend and colleague in the late 70 since she was about 10 years old then; so, I have removed her nameKkolozova (talk) 22:46, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Analia Hounie

"(...) Argentine model and Lacanian scholar Analia Hounie."

Zizek did marry this lady, I do not question this statement. If confirmation is required, you can check here:

http://www.britannica.com/bps/additionalcontent/18/28536695/ACTING-UP

for references to an article from "New Humanist," January 2008, by John Clark confirming it. I do not question that she is a model, as it is also stated in the aforementioned article. However, "Lacanian scholar"? Are you joking? Her name appears in association with one (1) and ONLY ONE book, which is in fact a sort of transcript of Zizek's lecture/s in Buenos Aires. She is, in fact, only credited as "Compiladora" (Compiler, not even editor). See here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Violencia-Acto-Conferencias-Buenos-Espacios/dp/9501265420/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1268613971&sr=1-1

and here:

http://www.libreriapaidos.com/libros/0/950126542.asp

She marries a Lacanian scholar and all of a sudden she is one? Please, amend this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.99.193.239 (talk) 00:51, 15 March 2010 (UTC) 81.99.193.239 (talk) 00:52, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Atheist

Judging from his views and comments about Christianity and religion in general, couldn't he be considered more of an antitheist than an atheist? DMJohnston (talk) 11:21, 28 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You appear to be referring to the agnostic vs. atheist distinction. There's no difference in the terms given unless you define one. Have "First as Tragedy, Then as Farce", will perhaps post something here or in the article. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 03:36, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
"Antireligious" of course does have a meaning distinct from being an atheist and some but not all atheists are anti-religious. Finished the title above finding it hypothetical of Nitzan's Differential accumulation thesis applied to the current historical moment with no salient original thesis, so taking a dismissive posture here and reviewing DA. It's odd for this page to be protected. 72.228.177.92 (talk) 17:47, 16 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

He may call himself an atheist, but if he also calls himself a "Christian" anything, he can't possibly be an atheist. Atheism is the rejection of all claims of the existence of the divine, Christianity is belief in the claim that Jesus is or was a divine being (either in part or in whole); the positions are mutually exclusive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.27.211.203 (talk) 14:31, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

List articles by date, like for books?

Similar to the lost for books, can somebody help list/categorise articles based on year of publication? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.240.128.75 (talk) 12:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree Tsinfandel (talk) 19:53, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"notoriety" vs "fame"

A lot of people seem to be unaware of this, but "notoriety" does not mean "fame." It means being famous in a negative way. A criminal or a pseudo-celebrity is notorious (usually "for" follows the word). I've changed the word to make the entry more neutral, although "fame" isn't totally neutral either. Evangeline (talk) 10:14, 24 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How about "well-known"? Jaque Hammer (talk) 07:45, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Serbo Croatian

Please remove the mention of Serbo-Croatian, as this language does not exist. There are two languages: Serbian and Croatian. Thank you. 93.139.0.219 (talk) 22:15, 25 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Serbo-Croation is a language. It is written in two different alphabets, but is denoted, by all linguists, as one language. Thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.73.84.38 (talk) 11:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Consensus on Taylor, Paul (2010) "Zizek and the Media"

Text to go in Section 6 - Critical Introductions to Zizek and to say:

Paul A. Taylor. Zizek And The Media (Cambridge: Polity Press, 2010).

 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. One of the reasons for this page's semi-protection was spam-linking, so I don't think it would be appropriate to add this without discussion. AJCham 08:37, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, makes sense. The Amazon link to the book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zizek-Media-Paul-Taylor/dp/074564368X The author: http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/details.cfm?id=17 Paimproviser (talk) 22:02, 17 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Paimproviser (talk • contribs) 22:01, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So how does one go about establishing the consensus needed to have this inserted into a semi-protected article?Paimproviser (talk) 00:35, 11 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Changed the title from "edit requested" Paimproviser (talk) 15:09, 13 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What a mess--need references and plagiarism from other wiki-articles?

First of all, the whole section on "Thought" needs to either reference specific books or needs to use quotes. Secondly, the whole second on "The Real" seems to be plagiarized right off the Jacques Lacan page. Vientelibro (talk) 06:40, 22 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

wow i wonder if *any* of this is reliable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.14.182.30 (talk) 11:46, 4 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oops didn't see someone already caught this. The Sumbolic section is too. http://www.lacan.com/zizekchro1.htm They should be removed until someone can write an actual entry. --24.61.191.94 (talk) 10:00, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger proposal

I have proposed merging Critiques of Slavoj Žižek here. It would give more balance and substance to this article. And anyone who makes his or her way through this article as it is would not be daunted by a little extra material. Jaque Hammer (talk) 07:23, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I will merge the articles this afternoon if no one objects. Jaque Hammer (talk) 15:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Žižek is also an avid Falconer

this is a joke.

the reference picture does not show slavoj zizek. there are no other references to this claim to be found online. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pvo101 (talk • contribs) 14:46, 24 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

On Iran

I had just deleted from the criticism section the part about Iran. All it was was a comment from Hamid Dabashi claiming he doesn't know that Zizek doesn't know what he's talking about. There was no substance to the criticism, or anything at all really. The section didn't go into why exactly Dabashi thinks Zizek was wrong, he just sort of states it as if it were self-evident. xcuref1endx (talk) 1:32, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

"A return to The German Ideology"?

In ontology there's a statement

While Žižek posits a return to the category of the Cartesian subject, a return to The German Ideology, and a return to Lacan, he does so in a way that undercuts their foundations and re-energizes their potential.

The link The German Ideology is to Marx'es book The German Ideology where he criticises "The German Ideology". The link didn't make sense, so I substituted it for German idealism, where Žižek is extensively mentioned. But I might be wrong: since Žižek is from a post-Marxist country, maybe he really propones what he calls The German Ideology. If I'm wrong, please be WP:BOLD. Rursus dixit. (mbork3!) 06:17, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"thought" section

I fail to understand why are the topics on the section "thought" the most relevant about his work. The list presented in this section (the real, the symbolic, etc.) is nothing more than a Lacan reference. Zizek's work is way beyond that, and I know it may be difficult for us to make a brief description about every topic he has worked on, but the ones listed are far from providing to the reader a synthesis of his work. I vote for deleting this section, or changing it completely.

--Mpg v (talk) 17:58, 5 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]


Also the entire Symbolic section is copy and pasted from here: http://www.lacan.com/zizekchro1.htm --24.61.191.94 (talk) 09:58, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of section

I've queried the complete removal of this section: Accusations of fascism and antisemitism at this user page, wondering if the removal was excessive or flimsily based. I'd appreciate comments here or there. Thanks. Swliv (talk) 16:57, 1 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, the whole of the section is a pretty gross violation of WP:BLP in being little other than a personal attack on Zizek (albeit one sourced to someone; but for a public and controversial intellectual, you can always find someone who will say something excessively negative). There may be some way to incorporate a small part of it back into the article without the attack title, but the "Criticism/Critique" section itself seems to veer pretty badly off the cliff of WP:UNDUE weight. 76.170.68.189 (talk) 00:43, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the somewhat elaborated rationale. I guess I'll have to dig further in, if I'm to recover some, all or any of the edit. That won't be now but maybe later. Thanks. Swliv (talk) 16:21, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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