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For Future Expansion
- http://idolator.com/5877402/beyonce-1-1-song-official
- http://idolator.com/5877262/american-idol-finale-performances
- http://www.dose.ca/Watch+Beyonce+Debut+Song+American+Idol/4843959/story.html
- http://popcrush.com/beyonce-11-the-dream-demo-nothing-but-love/
- http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/immaculate-noise/posts/listen-beyonces-1-1-from-new-album-4
- http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2011/05/beyonc_performed_a_new_song_on.html
- http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1664631/beyonce-new-track.jhtml
- http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2011/05/26/beyonce-one-plus-one/
- http://style.mtv.com/2011/05/26/beyonce-american-idol-oprah-lwren-scott-finale-fashion-news/
- http://buzzworthy.mtv.com/2011/05/31/the-dream-beyonce-1-plus-1-nothing-but-love/
- http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/25/new-music-beyonce-11/
- http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/25/beyonce-debuts-11-on-american-idol-video/
- http://www.rap-up.com/2011/05/27/new-music-the-dream-11-beyonce-demo/
- http://www.thefader.com/2011/05/26/beyonce-11-mp3/
- http://www.billboard.com/column/the-juice/beyonce-performs-new-song-1-1-watch-1005204892.story
- http://idolator.com/5881342/beyonce-the-dream-1-1
- http://www.mirror.co.uk/celebs/news/2011/05/30/beyonce-ditches-flop-single-1-1-115875-23166392/
- http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/26/beyonce-1-plus-1-song-premiere-video_n_867309.html
Jivesh • Talk2Me 13:39, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
Promo single or Single?
I ask because why would she film a video for a promo single 3 months after it was released? Surely it is an official single now? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 12:35, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Wasn't released for radio or CD. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:46, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Because of the statement in the source below (http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/watch-11-video-premiere-tonight-e) we can now close this issue. I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Calvin, Beyonce has videos for nearly still songs and YES, i have written SONGS ant NOT SINGLES. Read, the background section, you will understand why it is not a single. If not, feel free to tell me. I will give you very reliable links. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Jivesh, I'm not saying that I don't believe you or what you have written. I just wanted to know why she filmed a video for a promo single (as it says in the Info box) 3 months after it was released and after 4 was released 2 months ago. That's why I asked if it has been released as the third official single. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- But Calvin, we cannot decide for her. She filmed it because as she said, the videos will "will tell the story of 4", meaning there will be videos for all songs on 4. And see her articles classified as "other songs" in her single template. She has videos for all of them. I think she loves doing videos. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:37, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not saying that we are deciding for her. I just thought that it was strange to shoot a video for a song which was released 3 months previous and isn't impacting charts, so I assumed that it was going to be released as an official single. What I am saying just isn't being understood, I don't know how else to plainly say it. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:54, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Why the hell is there argument? Drop the issue! I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- There isn't an argument? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- There is no argument. I was just explaining it to Calvin. In fact, we are both very good friends. Lol. Jivesh • Talk2Me 16:00, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- There isn't an argument? Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Why the hell is there argument? Drop the issue! I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:44, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Jivesh, I'm not saying that I don't believe you or what you have written. I just wanted to know why she filmed a video for a promo single (as it says in the Info box) 3 months after it was released and after 4 was released 2 months ago. That's why I asked if it has been released as the third official single. Calvin • NaNaNaC'mon! 15:30, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Calvin, Beyonce has videos for nearly still songs and YES, i have written SONGS ant NOT SINGLES. Read, the background section, you will understand why it is not a single. If not, feel free to tell me. I will give you very reliable links. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:18, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Because of the statement in the source below (http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/watch-11-video-premiere-tonight-e) we can now close this issue. I Help, When I Can.[12] 15:01, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
Not to forget
Another artist has covered the song. Tiffany Evans. There is a source at Rap-Up. Jivesh • Talk2Me 09:02, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Music Video
The "1+1" video is the story of love at its best. It's about commitment and fulfillment and it's Beyoncé at her most beautiful. The video experiments with psychedelic visual effects and innovative lighting that gives the clip a cinematic feel. "1+1," which Beyoncé first performed on the season finale of American Idol, is not an official single but it's the first song on the album and it's the first of many videos which will be released to visually tell the story of 4. The dress rehearsal clip backstage at AI, "Pregame" became an instant viral hit as soon as it hit the web. http://www.beyonceonline.com/us/news/watch-11-video-premiere-tonight-e — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.195.60 (talk) 23:31, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- Let's wait 'till it's up on the web, around 8PM EST. This is the only source I found about this topic, so I think it's better to wait. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 23:34, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
- I just want to inform you all that a singer's official website can be used for such things. But you cannot use it to inflate sales and add certifications. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Should I add these in reception part: PopCrush and Idolator. I know that they aren't highly reliable. My love is love (talk) 11:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- You may use them for reviews and composition unless you want to make an article a FA. For now, you can use them. I assure you. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:19, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- Should I add these in reception part: PopCrush and Idolator. I know that they aren't highly reliable. My love is love (talk) 11:11, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
- I just want to inform you all that a singer's official website can be used for such things. But you cannot use it to inflate sales and add certifications. Jivesh • Talk2Me 08:03, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
GA Review
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Reviewer: Wikipedian Penguin (talk · contribs) 19:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Resolved comments from CallMeNathan • Talk2Me and TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) |
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:Wow. It is such a great honor. Jivesh • Talk2Me 15:12, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Work on these for now, and I'll go into prose in do time. Good luck :)--CallMeNathan • Talk2Me 01:04, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
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As Nathan is on a break, I'll be reviewing this article. Novice7 (talk) 04:36, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- Unresolved comments from TonyTheTiger
- "in a way similar to that of Whitney Houston as stated by Amos Barshad of New York magazine."-It would be nice to know a particular song, since I doubt this quality is displayed on every song she sings.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- There is no specific mention in the review. Jivesh 1205 (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 19:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- "Building an even more intense "make-love-not-war sentiment" in the second verse,[23] Knowles goes on singing: "Hey! I don't know much about guns but I [...] I've been shot by you", taking the last word of that line and kicking it up an octave "without sacrificing any power", as stated by Jon Caramainca of The New York Times." seems runon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:17, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- What is runon? Jivesh • Talk2Me 10:36, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
- ""1+1" was well received by music critics who complimented the effective display of Knowles' emotive vocals thanks to the use of only light instrumentation on the song and praised the fact that the ballad was the opening song on 4." is runon and confusing should commas be before who and thanks? Not sure if that is the intended meaning. Also add who before the word praised to help connect the verb to the subject.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think you changed praised to approved, but who still needed.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- A lot of musical terms like break (music) should be linked. --TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 21:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
- Still a concern.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:20, 15 September 2011 (UTC)
- I just want to let you know that a friend of mine has copy-edited the article and i believe it is free of these issues now. And what is runon? Jivesh 1205 (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 04:41, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- query
- Is it allowable to link to this AI backstage rehearsal in the External Links.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:49, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- Judging from the amount of media attention it gained, YES. Jivesh 1205 (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 18:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- Better yet. make a music video sample that is 10% of the timed length of the original as a Fair Use sample.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:10, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- The reviewer below already mentioned this and i do not even know how t o upload a sample. So i will ask my friend to reduce it. Jivesh 1205 (talk / Make sure you give 4 a try!!!) 18:29, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
- What is going on with this?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:56, 2 October 2011 (UTC)
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Let's begin:
Media review
Will continue later. Novice7 (talk) 07:19, 16 September 2011 (UTC) First review
Will continue soon. Novice7 (talk) 11:42, 23 September 2011 (UTC)
This is a quick look at the article. I'll post a second review soon. Novice7 (talk) 07:08, 16 October 2011 (UTC) |
Revised
Me and Novice7 had a discussion and he asked me to take over as the reviewer, because he is currently busy. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- WP:OVERLINK check
The following are repeatedly linked throughout the body of the article (note that the lead is not taken into consideration).
- New York magazine
- The Huffington Post
- The New York Times
- Idolator
- Entertainment Weekly
- MTV News
- Dose
- MTV UK
- Rolling Stone
- Rap-Up
- The New York Times
- "Run the World (Girls)"
- HitFix
- Please check. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Good. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lead
- Merge first two sentences.
- This is what i don't like. One reviewer tells me A and another tells me Z. (No offense intended). Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lol, did I ask to split the sentences? Sorry if I did :) Novice7 (talk) 11:49, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- I think it was you Mags. If not, it should have been Tony. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:54, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Knowles debuted the song on May 25, 2011, during the finale of the tenth season of American Idol. A few hours after the live performance, "1+1" was released digitally as a promotional single in the United States by Columbia Records. " Let us try and cut that down. How about " Knowles debuted the song on May 25, 2011 on American Idol, and digitally released it as a promotional single, through Columbia Records. "
- Do you mean the date as well should not be mentioned? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Hmm? —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Do you mean the date as well should not be mentioned? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- The release date should not be there? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- The sentence is saying that the song was debuted and released the same day. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- The release date should not be there? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:06, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " The song was written by Knowles, Terius "The-Dream" Nash and Christopher Stewart and produced by the latter two under their stage names, The-Dream and Tricky Stewart, respectively. " — It was actually produce by all three.
- Nice catch + Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Originally titled "Nothing but Love", The-Dream " — The-Dream was originally titled that or was the song?
- " The-Dream had planned to include it on his second studio album, Love vs. Money (2009) " — "had" to "had initally"
- Merge next two sentences
- " The lyrics make strong statements about the power of the relationship. " — Not necessary.
- I have the habit of explaining the lyrical content in all my GAs. I remember once not doing it and the reviewer asked for it. I did not do it at that time because i had no source explaining the lyrical meaning of the song.
- " Despite being a promotional single, " — Cut.
- " The video was a "different" direction for Knowles who is normally known for her heavy dance routines in her clips. " — Source to quote?
- I think we only need one sentence discussing the synopsis of the video.
- Hmmm, synopsis? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- You have two sentences summarizing the video: " The video was a "different" direction for Knowles who is normally known for her heavy dance routines in her clips.[1] It experiments with psychedelic visual effects and innovative lighting, which give it a cinematic feel. " — Reduce this to only one. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " The video met with generally positive reception from music critics, who described it as "sell[ing] sex as art"[1] and claimed that it will be remembered as one of Knowles' most iconic visual work. " Shorten this and make it more general.
- I need help here. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Critics praised the music video for its aesthetic and sexual theme. " Something like that. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:39, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " acclaim " is a WP:PEACOCK word.
- Well, it's true but i will remove it. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Can i use "very positive"? What's wrong in calling it acclaim when it is so evident? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Simply "positive" suffices. "Acclaim" can sound a bit exaggerated, even though I know that critics LOVED the song. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:03, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Can i use "very positive"? What's wrong in calling it acclaim when it is so evident? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:52, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " with
somelyrical modifications "
- Background
- " she sang the song surrounded by smoke and red lighting, and declared, "This is my favorite song" " — Too many "and"s.
Fixed ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Knowles's " → " Knowles' "
- Fixed + I did not do that. The copy-editor(s) did that. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " 1+1" was not sent for airplay, with "Best Thing I Never Had" favored as the second single from 4, following "Run the World (Girls)".[10] " — Relevance?
- This era is a PERFECT MESS. People outside Wikipedia call this a single/buzz single. It should be here to avoid confusion. We should facilitate everything for people who visit Wikipedia. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 11:57, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Composition
- " slow tempo of fifty beats per minute. " — Use numerals (50 vs. fifty).
Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " allows Knowles's voice " → " allows Knowles' voice "
Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " demonstrates Knowles's raw vocals " — Add [sic] after "Knowles's" because this is incorrect grammar.
- Comment: Sorry for butting in, but both Knowles' and Knowles's can be used. Both are permitted. However, I agree that the former is common among people. Novice7 (talk) 04:25, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Mags, you don't have to be sorry. You know how much you are appreciated by me and everyone. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Knowles sings to the former " — Who is the former?
Fixed ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Contessa Gayles from AOL Music wrote " — Comma after "wrote".
Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:05, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Critical reception
- Do not link inside quotes, per MOS:QUOTE
- After "wrote", we use a comma, not a colon, unless it is a highly formal quote, which this article does not have.
- " "1+1" was acclaimed by music critics " — "praised" is a better word.
- " "the only recent pop ballad that comes close to the power of '1+1' is Adele's stunning 'Someone Like You'." " — Write in your own words.
- The Joanne Dorken quotes need to be reduced to just one average size quote.
- " Praising Knowles's vocals "
- I do not see the need of a blockquote, as most parts of that quote can be put in your own words.
- If so, can you please help? I am not very good at converting quotes (especially when they are giant) in my own words. Lol. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Done. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 13:13, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Andy Kellman of
theAllmusic "
- Background and synopsis
- Recording or filming a new music video?
- That's how music websites report it. Filming is like Beyonce is holding a camera. Lol. I think recording is also in the same boat. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- "Knowles's" to "Knowles'" (3)
- " official website " to simply "website" (2)
- " The song's video features
severalclose-up shots of Knowles "
- " as though it has been coated with a honey-like and glittery substance. " — Personal interpretation.
- Should i source it? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:24, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Source it, or remove it. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:56, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " the video begins the use of " — " the video begins to use "
- " several scenes of Knowles are shown, as she is engulfed " → " Knowles is seen engulfed "
I'll look at the rest of the sections soon. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 19:08, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- Reception
- A giant WP:QUOTEFARM, so try paraphrasing some of the quotes.
- I did my best. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:54, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Do not link in quotes.
- You quote The Atlantic a bit too much.
- Lol + Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- " Yoü and I " → [[You and I (Lady Gaga song)|You and I]] Per consensus.
- " She added that, " — No comma.
- " L Magazine's Mike Conklin was unsatisfied with the video[,] stating "
Frankly, this article was well underprepared, and even after two rounds of prose checking, it still looks like it needs work. I will try my best to pick out the issues of the article, because I understand how much effort you have put into this, Jivesh. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:16, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Awww thanks for this. I just saw it. I love such messages. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:10, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- I did not know we are not supposed to link something more than once. I always happened to think that something should be linked once in each section. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lol, no. That's not how it works. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- All done now. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 13:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. All done. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 13:22, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- All done now. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 13:00, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Lol, no. That's not how it works. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 12:44, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- I did not know we are not supposed to link something more than once. I always happened to think that something should be linked once in each section. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 12:42, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Live performances
- Remember, after "wrote", we use commas, not colons.
- Now that blockquote shouldn't be hard to paraphrase. At least if you do, you will be allowed to wikilink Vincent Moon's Take-Away Shows.
- You already removed one, why can't this one stay?
- " Knowles later sang "1+1" live on August 14, 2011 " → " She sang "1+1" on August 14, 2011 "
- " with her band and orchestra watching on " — Sorry but what does to "watch on mean"? Plus, do not use "with" to connect ideas, because it reads sloppy. Second, a noun followed by an "-ing" reads ungrammatically on Wikipedia.
- " and sang
sittingon her knees "
- Other versions and usage in media
- " leaked onto the internet in late May 2011 " — Capitalize Internet here.
- " posted a video of herself singing " — Comma after "herself".
- " while seated at her computer " — In front of her computer you mean? Lol.
- References
- FN 1: Link MTV News and MTV Networks. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 2: Do not use cite news because The Huffington Post is not a newspaper. Also, it is AOL, not AOL Inc. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 7: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 10: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 11: Remove "Inc.". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 12: The publisher is Alex Young, not Complex. Plus you have a typo: "Juine". Done but are your sure? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 13: Unlink Rap-Up. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 15: Per consensus, we do not provide URLs for Musicnotes references. We just have title, publisher, site, and year (not date). Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 17: Unlink AOL Inc and remove the "Inc". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 21: Unlink MTV Networks. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Please be consistent on whether you provide publishing locations or not. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 24: Unlink MTV News. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 25: Remove "Inc". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 26: It's just "Dose", not "Dose Magazine". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 31: Unlink MTV Networks. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 36: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 37: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 38: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 49: Remove "LLC". Are you sure? ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 50: Remove "Inc". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 51: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 52: No cite news, please. It is a magazine, a published one.
- FN 53: No cite news, please. It is a magazine, a published one.
- FN 54: No cite news, please.It is a magazine, a published one.
- We use cite news to only cite newspapers, not magazines. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 09:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Are you sure? I mean i have been using it for two years. I thought cite news is for magazines and newspapers that are published. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- I am sure. :) —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 15:11, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Are you sure? I mean i have been using it for two years. I thought cite news is for magazines and newspapers that are published. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:13, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 56: Just "Dose". Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 58: No cite news, please. Remove "Inc" as well. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 61: Link Washington Post. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 62: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 66: No cite news, please. It is a magazine, a published one.
- FN 67: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 68: Publisher is inconsistent with other NY Times ref (FN 27).
- FN 70: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 73: Typo "Pap-Up" :D (No cite news, please either.) Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 74: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 76: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- FN 77: No cite news, please. Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:39, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
Good luck! —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 17:40, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks. From where do you get all that patience? You are the epitone of P.A.T.I.E.N.C.E. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 09:43, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Lol, I don't think I am even near User:Nikkimaria's level yet, ;). And trust me, I am sure of everything here! Let me go through the article quickly. I'll pass it soon. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 09:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Nikki is the best. She cannot be compared. She is so nice. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 10:14, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Lol, I don't think I am even near User:Nikkimaria's level yet, ;). And trust me, I am sure of everything here! Let me go through the article quickly. I'll pass it soon. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 09:53, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- All Done ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 15:23, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- I will be passing it then. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 20:16, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
External links
We use links that are directly related to the song. How is her official site related? It's related more to her than the song. I Help, When I Can.[12] 21:42, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
- Did you visit her official site lately? Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:01, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Just because the official site redirects to a splash page (1+1 video), doesn't mean we should really have it. I think the YouTube link will suffice. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I was talking about the 4 countdown. Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I guess it has been removed. Anyway, all Beyonce-related articles have that link. So should i go and remove it on all her pages then? Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- You should. External links should be directly related to a song in one way or another. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Now, since the 4 countdown material is more static than the little splash pages. I think that we could use them for the album article. I Help, When I Can.[12] 12:41, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- You should. External links should be directly related to a song in one way or another. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:43, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I guess it has been removed. Anyway, all Beyonce-related articles have that link. So should i go and remove it on all her pages then? Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:26, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I was talking about the 4 countdown. Jivesh • Talk2Me 11:24, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Just because the official site redirects to a splash page (1+1 video), doesn't mean we should really have it. I think the YouTube link will suffice. —WP:PENGUIN · [ TALK ] 11:20, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
The word "track"
Why can't it be used? I Help, When I Can.[12] 12:44, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- On what instance? --Efe (talk) 13:36, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Bingo! --Efe (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think this was mentioned in the first FAC of "Single Ladies". Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I found no such thing, in either of the FAC's. I Help, When I Can.[12] 23:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry. I cannot remember but i am sure i found it somewhere. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- Found or not found, what is the reason then? --Efe (talk) 14:17, 5 September 2011 (UTC)
- Sorry. I cannot remember but i am sure i found it somewhere. Jivesh • Talk2Me 04:15, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
- I found no such thing, in either of the FAC's. I Help, When I Can.[12] 23:30, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- I think this was mentioned in the first FAC of "Single Ladies". Jivesh • Talk2Me 18:32, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
- Bingo! --Efe (talk) 13:42, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
Henri-Georges Clouzot's "L'Enfer"
- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WAyakAH_v8
- http://oops-music.com/news.php?nid=69836
- http://vimeo.com/28329649
This may eventually become a news story. It's pretty obvious that she was "inspired" when creating this video as well. This is not an edit request, this is just me letting the editors of this page know that with the recent discussions surrounding "Countdown" it's likely that this may pick up steam. Or maybe not. Just putting it out there.--mikomango mwa! 16:59, 14 October 2011 (UTC)
- With all respect i owe to you, there is not need to post such things. None of those sources are reliable. Moreover, they are all over one month old. Furthermore, did Beyonce raise her voice when everyone was imitating her SL choreography? Last but not the least, you cannot copyright dance moves. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 08:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- With the utmost respect, the date of these links are not at issue here. What is at issue here is the "inspiration" behind these videos and the likelihood that they may be exposed. I did NOT ask for an edit request, I was merely bringing them to the attention of the editors, as it seems they had not been. Whether you choose to use them or not is entirely up to you. Because (according to your talk page) you see Beyonce as the Queen of all things who is incapable of a misstep, perhaps this does not make sense to you. I can only assume a more objective editor will understand my choice to bring this to everyone's attention. Furthermore, her SL choreography was an interpretation of the work of Bob Fosse and was not Beyonce's original work, just in case you didn't know. Again, I did NOT ask for an edit request, I was just bringing this to everyone's attention. These videos do not explore dance moves (I see you are still smarting from the "Countdown" video fiasco, I'm sure you hated having to report that on her Wiki page) but instead video treatments. You obviously did not click on any of the links. The Vimeo link is highly reliable and you know it (otherwise, the Youtube link of the Countdown video would not have been accepted so widely by many news outlets). You do NOT need to be disrespectful to me, I was merely bringing this to everyone's attention, not asking for an edit. Please take your over-zealous Beyonce defenses and poor attitude regarding any Beyonce-related topics elsewhere. If you do not find my post to be helpful, ignore it. Have a blessed and wonderful day.--mikomango mwa! 16:16, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- I present you my sincere apologies if you think i was too sensitive. My main concern here was how you put the word inspired between quotes and that's what websites do to show sarcasm sometimes. I never said you were asking for an edit. And yes, i admit i do not like the controversy "Countdown" received but at the end of the day, it is there on the article. Since the most reliable websites in the world are not over-exposing this ("1+1"), i do not see the need for Wikipedia to do so. I clicked the links. Vimeo is reliable indeed but if you click the link again, you will see there is no text there. It is two months old. If a video posted by YouTube (about "Countdown" controversy) gained coverage after only 30 minutes following the post, i cannot understand why this one will get coverage if nothing happened in two months. And you wrote so much about me. And what about you when it comes to Rihanna's articles, for instance: They were a bunch of Rihanna haters posing as seasoned and sensible editors Does this make you different from me? And wow, i am being disrespectful? I wonder what you will write when someone here will be really disrespectful to you someday. And thanks for these honorable labelings: your over-zealous Beyonce defenses and poor attitude... I am also not an objective editor from your point of view. That was all i needed to know whether you are a true friend or not. Finally, i saw your true colors. Better be late than never. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
- We are not on Wikipedia to find husbands, wives and people to officiate our weddings. We are here to edit and be civil. If you do not think the links are significant, then ignore them. Every other editor of this page has done the same, and the silence, to me, speaks volumes. That in itself lets me know that these links are wholly irrelevant. However, you deciding to tell me "there is no need to post such things" because "you cannot copyright dance moves" lets me know that you are entirely too personally connected to the subject matter to be able to speak about this objectively, and your attitude is completely unnecessary, since the links do not discuss dance moves or anything of the sort, but instead, video treatments. At the very least I thought someone may notice that the video treatments were a part of a longer, perhaps historical and/or teleological advancement in lighting and shading. Your personal attacks all over Beyonce articles or any time anyone mentions Beyonce anywhere on Wikipedia are just unnecessary and frankly, I'm tired of it. I do not run around policing Rihanna articles the way you run around policing Beyonce articles. If someone is just bringing something to our attention while not asking for an edit request in any way, and I don't think it's relevant, I just ignore it, I don't act a fool about it. Good day to you.--mikomango mwa! 18:07, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- Personal attacks??? Goodbye!!! ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 18:09, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- You are totally biased and out of control!!! You had absolutely no reason to be disrespectful in the first place but I guess you always get your way that way! God be with you!--mikomango mwa! 22:22, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- Why do you keep replying then? Don't you see you are wasting your own time, Mr Know It All. ★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 03:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Director's Cut
- http://www.taletela.com/news/10769/photos-beyonce-rocks-some-interesting-shoes-as-new-version-of-1+1-video-emerges
- http://defpenradio.com/music-video-beyonce-11-directors-cut/
★Jivesh 1205★ (talk / ♫♫Give 4 a try!!!♫♫) 17:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Am i dreaming?
Jivesh1205 (Talk) 11:13, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Critical Reception
PMA’s 100 Best Songs of 2011 At number 01 - BEYONCÉ – “1+1″
Beyoncé has hits to spare. Her two biggest rank among the last decade’s best. Confetti cannons heralded her 2003 debut single “Crazy in Love,” and her arrival as a solo artist. Her dominance was undeniable by 2008, thanks to an inescapable anthem (do really I need to name it?) and its instantly iconic music video. “1+1,” the shiniest jewel in Beyoncé’s (not Sasha Fierce’s) tiara, was somehow met with a shrug. It reached #57 on the Billboard Hot 100. Time will no doubt rectify this injustice.
Oft-repeated comparisons to Sam Cooke and Prince are apt, but they miss the point. “1+1” is an achievement of Knowles’ own. Beyoncé may not know much about algebra, but taken together, the song’s 3/4-time arpeggios, tender strings, howling electric-guitar solo, and superb vocal performance yield a deeply affecting four-and-a-half minutes of pop balladry. That The-Dream gave this song away is insane, an example of artistic generosity (or maybe regret) on par with “Because the Night” and “Nothing Compares 2 U.”
Beyonce’s version, so far superior to The-Dream’s demo, only confirms her own talent. Its definitive version was taken backstage and was recorded on a phone. No sampled horns or elaborate choreography were needed: just a pop star with an insanely good song. Or better put: an artist with a classic.
http://prettymuchamazing.com/feature/best-songs-2011/3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.168.200.163 (talk) 12:56, 8 December 2011 (UTC)