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Media Hound and ScaraB

Media Hound and ScaraB, after going over all your previous postings about the ICD, it is very hard to ignore the feeling, that you are not a neutral and objective user, but rather individuals who are for whatever reason (perhaps former intern/worker/partner there, or carrying a hidden agenda, even perhaps the owner of the hater blog against the ICD, but you surly had some sort of relation with them) aiming to discredit the ICD, or create doubts about its legitimacy, using the Wikipedia source as a tool. I have doubts, as well, that you are using Mako (probably you also contacted him directly), who seems as a legitimate guy (he is also not hiding behind any anonymity) to be on the look-out for so called “controversies” about the ICD (such as working agreement between Interns/volunteers and the ICD), while on the other hand using your computer skills ignoring, annulling, deleting the hundreds of legitimate independent resources that are notable by Wikipedia standards, and which I am currently working on to restore and to publish them according to the best rules/norms/guidance of Wikipedia.

For example, National Public Radio covered some of their conferences in a very interesting way, which can be found in a 5 second Google search, see here ( http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=111346468 ). I found it, and I was surprised to see that it was also on the Wikipedia page and was taken down by Mako. Furthermore, I was shocked to read the comment below made by Mako, who now has doubts also regarding NPR and their reporter Monika Mueller Kroll?!! To my understanding a public remark like this one, could easily fall into the category of Slander/Defamation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel . I see it necessary to contact Monika Mueller Kroll, as well as NPR and inform them about Mako´s statement.

Please see the controversial statement of Mako here:

“The most convincing coverage from a reliable source on the list is definitely the work from NPR. That said, I'm a little worried by issues with conflict of interest here as well. All of the NPR pieces are written by one person -- Monika Mueller Kroll. Monica herself has her work hosted and promoted by ICD [40] and NPR Berlin (presumably, through Monica) has hosted events with/at the ICD. —mako๛ 06:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)”

Therefore , my main concern here is that you are not an objective nor neutral wiki users, and this is why?

From a very brief check you can see that actually all of your activities around the ICD, are on a negative side and you are not trying to bring any kind of neutral sources (which could be easily found) and you attempt only to publish a non-fact information in order to de legitimize the creditability of the ICD.

In addition to the one-sided postings coming from your side, I can learn from the speed of your reaction to the corrections made my Mako and from your willingness to support any negative claim in a very short time, that you are very much committed to promote a non-objective, biased campaign against the ICD.

In addition, I am very curious about the last pdf file that media hound posted here in this page and I am wondering how did you acquire this document? I tried to get this pdf in Verdi´s website and also on the internet and failed. I would be happy if you can send me a reliable source where I can download this document.

I am also wondering, as you are for some reason so interested with the ICD, whether you are in direct contact with them, for example in order to ask them for their assistance in referring you to already published reliable sources? Have you? If you did not contact them, it could imply that you are not an objective user that is interested and willing to do a serious research as reasonably required. The first source to search for information about an organization is to contact the organization itself (especially in cases like this where doubts/concerns are raised), because they can assist you and also can refer at the same time to any concern you or others may have (every professional write/journalist would do so). As you never mentioned did nor published any information about the ICD (except these negative posts and the work made by Mako, which actually simply deleted all text in the page) I assume that you did not contact them and are not interested to be in dialogue with the ICD. This strength my concerns about your motives and interests in editing the ICD wiki article, and my feeling here is that probably you cannot really remove the anonymity of your users, as you have a serious conflict of interest . I would suggest that firstly you will contact the ICD, to try to get all of the material you are interested in from them, I feel it will be much more efficient, appropriate, right and fast. You wanted to be in contact with me, but not with the source directly (the ICD) for some reason, why?

Once viewing the video clips of lectures, and events of the ICD, as well as reading in full other press articles, one can learn that there are many legitimate independent resources that can support this page. In addition, once viewing similar organizations wiki pages you can notice that the wiki articles for other organizations are not in any different standards, to say the least. I wonder and will be very interested to know, why you have chosen the ICD wiki page from all these thousands of organizations, and if you are planning to show such same care and concerns about the pages of other organizations, or you keep this privilege of dedicating your full attention, free time and devotion to the ICD only. From the first place, I could not understand what is the big fuss about the ICD, an organization like many hundreds of thousands across the world, that according to their website, and the publications, such as videos, reports, etc. are simply trying to promote their very legitimate agenda and achieve their objectives and why should be so many talks about this. I’m also surprised to see how such talented people are wasting their days to run such a campaign.

My dear Wikipedia colleagues, all of these activities are seem to be lone-sided and will not be able to be supported by Wikipedia standards. Excuse me, but it doesn't look like a work of a regular user who has honest intentions, it is simply does not make any sense to me. I think that Wikipedia administrators and staffers should be reported about this activity and of the above concerns of using Wikipedia for personal Agenda of a campaign against the ICD, compromising Wikipedia’s standards and reputation.. As mentioned above I am currently working to restore and to publish the page according to the best practices/rules/norms/guidance of Wikipedia.

--Hessin fahem (talk) 09:28, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]


Please comment on DJ Mell Starr

Hello, I did some editing to DJ Mell Starr's page with hopes that you would take a 2nd look and let me know how it looks now. thk u QTPepsi (talk) 02:15, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

A kitten for you for all of your kind words and help. I really do appreciate it. :)

Timeweaver (talk) 02:48, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey!

Hey Media-hound! I was wondering if you would be willing to glance over Battle of Verdun and tell me if it looks pretty good. I've submitted it for re-assessment to B-class, and I'm a little nervous about it, haha. Timeweaver (talk) 21:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Many thanks for the Teahouse barnstar. You have restored my faith in Wikipedia! Keep up the good work countering the systemic bias. Dahliarose (talk) 00:35, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Your article has been moved to AfC space

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Move

Can you please move your support from here to the actual thread here ? Pass a Method talk 19:47, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I copy-pasted it for you. Pass a Method talk 21:12, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Pass a Method You have moved that comment in breach off Community Standards Wikipedia:Refactoring. Kindly address your failures and have the matter fully reverted at your Earliest Convenience.Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 22:29, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I removed your vote, but please dont place anything below my notice here. It should remain empty. Pass a Method talk 23:00, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

:Further discussion about this here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pass a Method talk - the Rfc goes to the correct page - if you have specific instructions that comment should be made else where - then those instructions should be clear. If I had wished to make comment on another page I am more than capable of doing so. As It was I clearly did not wish to do so. I also note that you are canvassing in support of a certain view - and have even been doing it on Jimbo's page - kindly consider Wikipedia:Canvassing.

I also note MOST POINTEDLY that you have not apologised! Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 23:20, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment refactored Wikipedia:Refactoring as it was placed on page whilst the page was in edit mode - Page "preview" does not show such comments that have arrived once editing has commenced - thereby providing a misleading time line of communication and knowledge. Recommended Reading

Further discussion about this here.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:11, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Help me find secondary sources?

Hey, I think I've seen you say that you are good at finding sources. I would like to find some sources for Vincent Price (educator) that aren't affiliated with the school. I'll start looking through the DP, but I'm really looking for biographical information and I doubt that the newspaper will provide it. It is difficult to look through the web, because it is flooded with results for Vincent Price the actor. Ryan Vesey Review me! 03:43, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

HI there Ryan - posted the results and a few tips over on your talk page - hope they help Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 12:02, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much! I'll review them tonight. Ryan Vesey Review me! 15:24, 6 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

G'day, thanks for your wise counsel based in international law over at WT:WikiProject Yugoslavia. Cheers! Peacemaker67 (talk) 01:37, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Thanks for your hard work on ICD

I see that you have gone to great lengths checking references on the ICD article; I just wanted to thank you for that, as I have spent some time on that article as well, and it has been a bit of an uphill battle. Also, well done for checking the rules and guidelines so carefully! SkaraB 21:10, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

SkaraB It's nothing personal! When I signed up for Rfc the one on ICD was one of the first that I believed I could contribute to. Rfc's are a very useful way in seeing how Wiki Land works - the multitude of issues goes from the Prosaic To the Highly Complex and even diplomatic. I may have even de-balkanised the Balkans! P^)

When looking at the Rfc for The Institute for Cultural Diplomacy I was very sceptical and looked at everything. I do assume WP:GOODFAITH but even when assuming that I do assess matters independently - my opinion is my own and stays my own, even if ""I"" change it. I learned a lot by having to check the wondrous ways of Wiki Land - and when it came to referencing and judging carefully against standards, it was also good practice.

That was why, when I had given me opinion on the Rfc I also edited and removed content that was date dependent ( Out of date and unverifiable ) as well as removing citations and links to sources that were no longer valid - and there was no trace in such places as The Internet archive/wayback machine or other similar resources.

I'm happy to dig for info and meet the Wiki standard of Wikipedia:Verifiability, not truth - even if it sticks in My Craw sometimes - Take Deep-fried Mars bar - I know the the entry "The dish is said to have been invented in 1995 in the Haven Chip Bar (now the Carron) in Stonehaven, near Aberdeen on Scotland's northeast coast." is total Rubbish - It's Wrong in so many ways - I was eating deep fried confectionery, including mars bars, at least ten years earlier in Glasgow. .... can't find a source to verify it, but can find loads of people who agree and know that Wiki is wrong. That's the problem with drunken students waking up and wondering why they are covered in chip fat and chocolate - too confused to write about the issue for posterity. I have a personal mission to right that wrong! C'est la vie - options 3 & 4 apply. P^)
Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 22:40, 9 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not personal for me either - I have nothing to do with the organisation, like you I am interested in Wikipedia being a reliable source of information, not a billboard for private interests.

Will look out for the truth about fried Mars Bars! SkaraB 13:25, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ditto about ICD. I'm also glad somebody else is taking an interest in the article and for trying to shepard things along toward some sort of conclusion (either deletion or an quality encyclopedic article). The article has certainly been a mess in the past and I'm really happy to see progress and interest from people who are plausibly not connected to the organization. —mako๛ 14:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Benjamin - my interest has been purely academic as it was basically the first RFC I felt I could make rational contribution to. I did not even know that Icd existed until being asked to take part in the Rfc. I am aware that others have been accused of WP:COI, and I have taken note of that but it has in no way reduced my opinion. I have been hunting for rational WP:NPOV sources about Icd, and they just don't exist. I would have cleaned up as you did today - but having asked for Afd I did not wish to be seen as acting against my own actions in asking for Afd. I'm sure that if I had cleaned up so much of the mess I would have been accused of some form of weird revenge, harassment and WP:BADFAITH. It has been amusing being told at the Afd, by the mysterious new editor, that I am wrong and can't read. I'm still in many ways getting used to the arcane ways round here. I have to also say that having looked at the full history of the Icd page it has been used as a shop front - and it's just a pity that it has taken so long for others to recognise and even consider acting. That was why I asked for rapid deletion, it seemed the rational course of action - for me it was G11. Unambiguous advertising or promotion. - others didn't agree. It has taken time to read and check the excessive references provided. I do wish that some would stop just googling, seeing a page of supposed content and saying Notable. When you have hundreds of minor hits due to self promotion and advertising it does skew perceptions. But then again - that's the Googlearchy for you. People buy what they see, rather than reading the small print and references. Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 18:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's great to have you and I think you've handled things well. I think you're one of only two people who responded to the RfC, but you've been real helpful. And don't worry too much about the grife and drama from new mysterious newbie. Everyone else sees what you do and they'll take it into account. :) My first invovlement with this article was on the day I heard of ICD as well. —mako๛ 00:21, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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I signed this time - thanks for the spanking! Where can I award you a Barnstar for being a technocratic monstrosity, that wastes peoples time - and drives new editors away? You are badly designed and operate improperly. How do I get you reprogrammed - or better still the technocrat who programmed you re-educate?

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  • arguing with a mindless bot wont get you a help. Whats more amusing is you signed the first time but again forgot the second time after you added some more text above . I agree it might be a bit disturbing to be reminded repeatedly by the bot, but this nagging will not occur after you have made a habit to sign, and dont forget. Even I was terrorized by sinebot in my early days but I later realized it was actually good. :) I hope you will agree why Wikipedia:Signatures are so important , regards --DℬigXray 20:44, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Dℬig - I did not forget to sign - I deliberately experimented to see if Sinebot has a brain. P^) It turns out not. As long as the signature appears in the post it is accepted ... unless I'm being hounded by Sinebot and it's waiting to pounce again. - I have also awarded Sinebot and "The tireless cybernetic contributor Barnstar" - and best of all, because it was done whilst the Wiki land servers were on the fritz, it got awarded Twice! Now that is Kismet! Sometimes railing against the machine has odd outcomes.
Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 21:36, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Google books shortcut

Greetings, Media Hound 3. I was happy to see you mention the shortcut to getting refs from Google books in a message at the Teahouse. Unfortunately the link isn't working for me. It might be my computer, however, as it is starting to give me problems and I think I'm going to have to give it to somebody to look at. I'll really miss it! But I wanted to let you know so you could double check it and make sure it's OK. I'm saving it for later, because it could really save me some time.

I'm so glad you're helping out at the Teahouse, you have a great combination of knowledge and the ability to handle questions in a simple, friendly manner. Thanks for the time you put in. Tlqk56 (talk) 16:17, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up - I've checked it out and it's working fine for me! http://reftag.appspot.com
I corrected the markup in the Teahouse reply, per Help:Link#External links. The piping format's different for external links. Hope you don't mind. -- Trevj (talk) 07:33, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your reply. For some reason that link works -- YEA! And I will definitely look into the other things you listed. It's nice not to get inundated with info when you're really new, but I agree it can be harder to find the helpful tips than it should be. When I think of the hours I spent trying to find where I'd messed up a ref when I first started! I like using the drop down menu in the editing window now. But it's still a lot of cut-and-paste, and I'm a sloppy typist who needs new glasses, so I still waste time with silly errors.

Can I ask you another question? I find I'm wasting time getting to the various sandboxes I've created. Right now I have to click on My Watchlist, then on View and Edit Watchlist, then scroll down and find the one I want and click on it. Is there a way to make a shortcut to them, maybe with tabs at the top of my user page or something? Or just a common sense way to get there quicker? Typing it in isn't really a solution, as I can't always remember what I've called them, and I'm still slow with the symbols. Thanks again.

And yes, for heaven's sake, let's not make it easy on the newbies. Reminds me of my grandmother getting a little upset at a friend of hers who didn't like having a new family from Mexico in her neighborhood, saying we should send them all back where they came from. Grandma reminded her her family wasn't native to eastern CO, either. Ask her if she was volunteering to go back to the then USSR. :) Tlqk56 (talk) 17:13, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Tlqk56, I find the best way is for you to create an index in a subpage you will remember. Personally, I have a to do list that I can reach from the tabs on the top of my talk page. I also transclude the to do list onto the top of my talk page for easy reference (and it makes me more motivated to complete them). For the time being this shows you a list of all of your subpages and can be found by going to Special:PrefixIndex. Ryan Vesey Review me! 21:49, 11 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

They say imitation...

...is the sincerest form of flattery. I copied your RFC box, played around with it just a bit, and have it on my User page to keep track of my article in progress. Thanks! Tlqk56 (talk) 02:14, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

... Grand Theft Wikipedia - That's the way to do it! P^)

Media-Hound 'D 3rd P^) (talk) 03:32, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The barnstar made me laugh. Thanks! I used to go backpacking in the Rockies with my family, a couple of years ago (haha). It's nice to know there are still some mountains to climb. I'm silly-excited about DYK. I hope I'm online to see it when it goes up! Tlqk56 (talk) 03:35, 12 June 2012 (UTC)r[reply]

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thanks for help and yes i confirm that previously publised page Mehr liaqat hussain jalvi and new page Mehr Liaqat Hussain Jalvi is of same person and correct.

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Thanks for your formatting change to the references on Alberta Municipal Government Board and the advice that you gave me earlier in the teahouse! I tried to implement some changes based on the ideas you gave me, though those changes do not appear to have rectified all the notability issues. I'm having a tough time understanding the issue, and am discussing it with User_talk:Electriccatfish2, though I have yet to get an understanding of the reason for rejection from that user.

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