Talk:Association football

Editors of this page

Why people who hate the game are editors of this page? It's called Football. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMv8g8CO4cQ&feature=player_embedded — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.78.196.37 (talk) 10:57, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request from Chelsea8888, 9 August 2011

Under misconduct, the recent backpass rule has not yet been exlained in the article. Please note that if a defender passes the ball back to the keeper, the keeper may not pick up the ball, unless it is bouncing at about chest level. If this infrigment of the law happens, and inderect free kick is awarded 15- yards outside the goal. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chelsea8888 (talk • contribs) 15:11, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

That is not an actual rule. If a player passes the ball back to the goalkeeper with his feet, the goalkeeper may not touch the ball with his hands. Full stop. – PeeJay 15:15, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Must admit that I agree with PeeJay about this one. I can only speak for the laws in Europe though, it might be different elsewhere. Although I doubt it. Cls14 (talk) 08:39, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Venue description Pitch and Field

A significant portion of the English speaking world, if not the majority refers to then playing area as a soccer field. Does anyone have a reason for not changing the venue information in the info box from Football pitch to "Field or Pitch" and keep the relevant links?Fasttimes68 (talk) 21:05, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

It now reads as if the sport can be played on a field or a pitch. It might be clearer to put 'pitch' in parenthesis? Or just leave it as football pitch (which is consistent with the article being in BrEng) and leave any nuances to the text. The same arguments also apply to 'football or soccer ball', further up the infobox.ReadingOldBoy (talk) 09:28, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't have a problem with using pitch in lieu of field as the main term as long as field is actually introduced. Although I see no valid reason this article favors BrEng. Fasttimes68 (talk) 11:18, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

The article favours BrEn because that's the variant it was originally written in. WP:ENGVAR states that when there is no clear reason for one variant to be favoured over another, the original variant should be favoured. I happen to believe that the article has closer ties to BrEn anyway. Furthermore, I agree with ReadingOldBoy; I have no problem with other terms being introduced in parentheses or even in the prose for the first usage, but we should stick to BrEn for all other uses. – PeeJay 11:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation of BrEn. Makes sense to me. I agree with the prose suggestion as well.Fasttimes68 (talk) 12:44, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from , 18 October 2011

History

"Organised" football was being played in castle courtyards in Scotland more than 500 years ago, experts have found. Documents show a set of accounts from the court of King James IV indicating he paid two shillings for a bag of "fut ballis" in April 1497.The world's oldest surviving football dates back to 1540 and was found behind panelling in Stirling Castle, Scotland. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.193.95.115 (talk) 21:19, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Scotland v. England illustration caption WRONG on some count

I don't know which part of this caption is wrong, but the illustration depicts AT MOST TWO of:

(i) the first international match; (ii) a match in 1872; (iii) a match at The Oval.

It can't be correct on all three counts!

If (i) and (ii), it's at Hamilton Crescent in Glasgow. If (i) and (iii), it's not in 1872 and not the OFFICIAL first international, but the unofficial first match in 1870 (see elsewhere). If (ii) and (iii), it's not the first international by any reckoning, just one of the unofficial games played between Scottish and English representative teams at The Oval (of which there were five in total between 1870 and 1872).

Of course, it might just be (iii), and could depict the SECOND official international in 1873; or it could be later altogether; or none of the above! Someone who knows more about the illustration itself is needed to correct this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.100.217.69 (talk) 01:59, 18 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 February 2012

In the last sentence of the "Variants and casual play" section please change:

Such games can have often have team sizes that vary considerably from 11-a-side

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Such games can often have team sizes that vary considerably from 11-a-side Ny cs2 (talk) 01:39, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks. Dru of Id (talk) 01:54, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

A redirect

The redirect football (soccer) links to this article and is very high on Wikipedia's predictive search. However it is against Wikipedia's policy that brackets are only for part of a title (like $pringfield (Or, How I Learnt to Stop Worrying and Love Legalized Gambling)) or a disambiguation. Instead it is a nickname used archaically in Britain and widespread in a country which doesn't like it. Delete and salt 86.154.118.65 (talk) 22:44, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure I understand you. Neither WP:TITLE or WP:REDIRECT makes any mention about a prohibition on redirects having brackets or parentheses. Where did you see this? CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 00:56, 9 March 2012 (UTC)

It should be deleted and salted because football is not a kind of soccer (think Mockingbird, Mockingbird (song).) That is what brackets are set out ot do. It would be like putting United States (America) Indiasummer95 (talk) 13:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

You are still not clear. If football is not soccer then what is it and why does this article say it is? Why would you delete something that hurts the readers ability to find this article? By the way there is also Football (American) but I couldn't find any others but I probably fix that later. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 16:11, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Comment

First there was football, then American Football was evolved from it.

Link for different names of the game; http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/3563572_460s_v1.jpg

USA is not the only country in the world. Wikipedia shouldn't be racist towards the rest of the world. Name "Soccer" was invented by americans in 60's, name "Association Football" was invented by American Football fans editing Wikipedia. This is wrong.

212.149.211.61 (talk) 02:31, 31 March 2012 (UTC)uiuiiu

The article says the term "soccer" was invented by the Brits in the '80s (1880s to be exact). I've been watching the naming debates for a long time now, and there has no clear favorite, as most English-speaking countries call this sport by another name aside from "football" (only the Brits call it that; Aussies, NZ, Canadians and even South Africans, not just Americans, call it soccer), though while the rest of the world calls it "football", it's on a local language, most of the time as a loanword.

With that said, I'd still say the current article is bad compromise, if you call this as a compromise. "Association football" might've been the most common name, in the 1880s but not in the 2010s. The best recourse of action could be moving this to "Football (association football)", although that'll be like "Football (soccer)" which was already frowned upon, which I don't get why. For disambiguating article names, the first way is to label it by its distinguishing factor, in this case, this is the football code that is formally known as "Association football". Or probably name this as "Football (football)"? Ha ha. Interestingly, American (and Canadian) football is also called "football" by the people that use them frequently, but they're quite happy with the current article titles; if they do get unhappy, would moving it to "Football (American)" or even "Football (American football)" make sense? –HTD 15:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

(I know this should be discussed on another page but since this was here, I replied here. Aside from the well-thought off reasoning, I also watch the debates for anti-American sentiments, which always crop up in cases such as this.) –HTD 15:19, 21 April 2012 (UTC)

in the "Olympics" section of the Infobox, the sentence reads "Reurned to the Summer Olympic programme in 1936 to today". Shouldn't it be "Returned to the Summer Olympic programme in 1936 to today" ?

 Done Tbhotch.^™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 19:59, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

"Soccer" is a common term for the game in Ireland where "football" is used by many to mean Gaelic Football. I think this should be reflected within the brackets as well as US and Canada. 86.44.202.60 (talk) 17:59, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Please see the other debates on this. Association Football is the name of the article as that is the official name of the sport in English. Football (soccer) was not chosen as American Football is called American Football, Australian Rules Football is called Australian Rules football etc. The guy above makes the point that it is called Soccer in most countries outside the UK, which might well be true. But this is an encyclopedia and thus official names should be used. Cls14 (talk) 12:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I know all that (I used to do the whole wikipedia thing years ago!), I'm not protesting the title or that official titles should be used in encyclopedias. I'm saying that where the article says "primarily United States and Canada", Ireland should likely be included due to the common usage of the term. 86.44.202.60 (talk) 14:23, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

I agree with you there. However I have changed it to "soccer (where other codes of football are more widely practised)" as it is known as that in certain parts of Australia as well as the US, Canada and Ireland and presumably some other places too. Cls14 (talk) 14:41, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

Was there anything wrong with "more commonly known as football or soccer"? This had been the stable version of the lead since 2007 until it was changed twice earlier this month [1] [2]. The etymology and names section below the lead deals with the international name differences in more detail so is there any need to add the parentheses? Barret (talk) 16:19, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

It is perhaps not the whole truth to say soccer is a commonly used term in Ireland to describe football. It would be much more correct to say that soccer is the common term used for Association Football by suporters and players of Gaelic Football. It is only with Gaelic Football afficionados that the use of the term 'football' to describe soccer is a matter of contention. An indication of the levels of support for the respective games of football can be guaged by the number of hits on boards.ie (Ireland's largest internet forum) Recent figures on boards.ie show a hits figure for the GAA (Gaelic Athletic Association, the governing body of all Gaelic sports) to be 150,000+. At the same time the hits figure on boards.ie for football (soccer) was 1.5m+ The governing football bodies in Ireland are called the Football Association of Ireland, and the Irish Football Association. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mervyn Crawford (talk • contribs) 12:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

It is ridiculous that China is referenced as a possible 'inventor' of football when clearly the sport originated completely in Great Britain. Obviously ball games have been played by various cultures around the globe for thousands of years however the game we think of as football or 'soccer' originated in Britain - it really is that simple. I strongly urge those who have editing rights for this page to edit out the China reference as it is not only untrue but it is also so preposterous that it goes against the very principles of Wikipedia. If the reader is still unconvinced I shall demonstrate my point further with another example: Calcio Fiorentino is an Italian ball game that originated in Renaissance Florence, it is extremely violent and dangerous to participate in. Here is its Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcio_Fiorentino now, just because it has various similarities with Rugby and American Football does mean that it is a direct precursor to those sports. No one would ever suggest that Rugby's origins lie in Italy and it is just as mad to suggest that association football's lie in china.Blobplop (talk) 12:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Where first played

It currently says:

"First played Mid-19th century Great Britain, Nottinghamshire, Sheffield."

Sheffield is in the county of South Yorkshire, not Nottinghamshire.

So the line should read:

"Mid-19th century Great Britain, Yorkshire, Sheffield" (as South Yorkshire wasn't created until 1974) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spaghettipizza (talk • contribs) 13:43, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

Surely it should actually read: Sheffield, Yorkshire, Great Britain (or more probably England)? Cls14 (talk) 10:16, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Footy?

Article says the game is known as 'Footy'. When I grew up it was always called 'Footer'. I think 'footy' is a modern version of the name.Betty Butt (talk) 05:43, 13 August 2012 (UTC)