Talk:Lincolnshire

Speed Cameras

Not really sure that the "Speed Cameras of Lincolnshire" warrants a category mention on the top level Lincolnshire page. Unless other people feel that speed cameras are a quintessential feature of the county I vote for moving this somwhere. Do others agree? Nick Fraser 17:52, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Agree. Speed cameras are everywhere. I'd just delete the entire section Dupont Circle 18:09, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well I disagree, unless your going to have a page on speed cameras. Speed Cameras were trialled in Lincolnshire, and Lincolnshire has more speed cameras than anywhere else. They have caused a huge controversy in the County, especially as they were introduced first because Linconshire has the highest number of most dangerous roads in the UK, and the highest death rate, so yes, Speed Cameras are a essential feature of this county.

193.131.115.253 09:44, 5 Apr 2005 (UTC)

In which case you need to take what you've just written and turn it into a paragraph on the high levels of road deaths in the county Dupont Circle 06:33, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi 193.13.115.253 (it's better if you have a Wikipedia login, gives you more editorial clout). I agree that there are interesting and relevant things to say about speeding, cameras, road deaths in the context of Lincolnshire, it's just that I don't think it's top level entry - this should be reserved for broad topics (such as Geography, History, References, etc.) otherwise we risk the top level page becoming bogged down in detail. I propose creating a subsection of the Geography section called Transport Networks (or an entirely new section called Transport if people prefer?) and we can use this area to talk about issues to do with rail and road in the county.

List of Towns and Villages

Do we need the big long list of towns and villages in this entry? Would it look better to do a list of towns and then a link to the Category:Villages in Lincolnshire entry? Dupont Circle 18:16, 27 Feb 2005 (UTC)

every county page has a list of villages, it seems, so keeping the list keeps the page layout :consistent  :-D

Lincolnshire Poacher

Ok, ive had a play, i can see the merit of a villages list page, we go with ur idea

Lincolnshire Poacher

Once every town and village on the list has an entry then we can remove the new villages list and, as long as they all are in the Category:Villages in Lincolnshire or Category:Towns in Lincolnshire categories, link to them Dupont Circle 19:03, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agree with Dupont Circle. Seems like a sensible tidy up. Nick Fraser 19:44, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Why are there two entries for Welton (Welton, Lincolnshire and Welton by Lincoln)?

Can anyone justify this statement? --- "The county of Lincolnshire appears to be experiencing a resurrection of old village and hamlet placenames and, in some instances, the creation of new placenames. This makes the compilation of a definitive list of Lincolnshire villages an especially open-ended task." --- in what context has there been a "resurrection" of old place names? In the naming of new housing developments? Quite possible. In the re-naming of existing villages? Seems unlikely. Can anyone provide evidence or references? "This makes ... an open-ended task" --- well, yeah, just like the rest of Wikipedia!! Seriously though, how is Lincs special in this regard? The accuracy of any toponymic exercise is subject to its own limiting factors, we know, but do we need to make this explicit in the particular case of Lincolnshire? If no-one has any major objections, I'm going to rewrite this ... TheVenerableBede 11:19, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

I agree with TheVenerableBede. The fact that it makes the task open ended is no revelation, and need not be stated. The original statement in the first place needs examples. I am a native of the county who no longer lives there and the only (bogus) example I can think of is a road sign which "sprang up" in Boston a little over 20 years ago, suggesting the direction and distance of "Rochford". Presumably it indicated "Rochford Tower", but that is an ancient building rather than a place, and no such place had ever existed... the name was quickly erased from the sign. It would be interesting if the originator of this statement could give some real examples, either in this discussion or, even better, in the article itself. --SMeeds 10:14, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

I'll consider myself seconded, then, and remove the statement from the article. Thanks, SMeeds. TheVenerableBede 08:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Places I cant find on any map

(this is a live list)

• Thompsons Bottom
  

hey ive found some more new place names. Thompsons Bottom seems to refer to a stretch of road with a factory unit, just west of Ashby De La Launde

Other ones are Skendleby Psalter and Thorpe Park (near Woodhall). Wonder why Lincolnshire County Council are inventing new place names??

~~

• Westville
  

Theres Eastville and Midville, out on the Fen near Stickney, but no Westville, unless Stickney was it once upaon a day. Ive found three lists now that mention Westville.

Multimap blanks it, but Streetmap mentions Westville Farm, just North of Gipsey Bridge Lincolnshire Poacher

Westville is pretty much the area around what would appear to be three or four Westville Farms on the map! It's a large parish of not many houses and plenty of fenland. Take a look at this map from magic.gov.uk - the blue lines are parish boundaries - and find the apostrophe in Bunker's Hill. The boundary of Westville goes from there, down to Westville Road and then heads along the road towards, but not all the way to, Frithville. At Twenty Foot Bridge it turns north along Twenty Foot Drain and there you can follow the line towards Carrington and Medlam. Hope that helps. Dupont Circle 14:31, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

ah yes I see, its that bit of soggy bleakness south of Carrington......... Lincolnshire Poacher

• Loveden - a telephone exchange (0400) and an electoral ward - but not a place --Brunnian 00:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Thers a resurrected place name: WITHAM ST HUGHS. Defunct as a village i nthe Middle ages, and no more than an appendage to Swinderby but on the other side of the A46, was obliterated in WW2 when they built Swinderby Airfield and Recruitment Training CAmp ther, its has now resprung up as they sstart to build houses there on the now long defunct airfirld land.

So, as we said in the first paragraph, which was scorned by various people, here one example of reviving old Lincolnshire place names. iT not the first signpost ive seen with a name ive never seen before round the county..

Right then. Loveden appears to have been a Wapentake. It is a Deanery. And like Witham St Hughs Brookenby is a new village tre-using a plague village name.Brunnian (talk) 21:26, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Are you aware of the English Place-Name Society volumes? I seem to remember Lincs. hadn't been fully covered, but that may have changed in the last 10 years or so. Also, a lot of this kind of research was done in the creation of the "E 179 Database". I should know, I worked on it for five years! Not on Lincs., tho... I remember colleagues having a particularly tough time with Lincs. But "lost place-names" can often be found in the database, with a grid reference too in many cases. About "Loveden" in particular, its earliest occurrence in the database is in a document in existence by 16 June 1328, ref. "E179/135/10"., where it occurs as the name of a wapentake and a deanery, but nothing else. That rather rules out the "plague village" idea. Bear in mind wapentakes (and hundreds) could be named after a rural spot where meetings were held, or a landscape feature, and frequently not after a settlement. Interestingly, it seems nowhere called "Westville" occurs in the whole database. HTH. Nortonius (talk) 10:40, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Article standards

Ok, i propose we agree on a standard. Ive done an update on all the places that already had pages, and now ive gone back to A and started creating the non esistant pages. I propse we construct the pages as follows:

Sample text:

(village) lies on (road) near (town/ landmark)

(other interesting facts, famous poeple, famous sights, famous buuildings/monoliths/natural features}

Grid reference
latitude and longitude

link to multimap map
link to multimap arial view

other links -churches, village websites, golf courses, buildings, people etc.

Uk geo stub

end

If possible, make disambig pages for any other place hogging the title page. For a sample look at Aisthorpe. Im now going to systematically work through A to Z making all the pages like this.

What u think?

Lincolnshire Poacher

• That's an excellent idea to have a template. I've amended the Aisthorpe page to outline what I would do and so I'd better outline my thinking!
  • The first thing I'd do is follow the convention of actually starting the article with the name of the place and the area it is in. I think it's good to state the nearest town(s) and the driving distance between them.
  • I think your description of the B1398 isn't needed on this page. That would go on a future page about the B1398.
  • I'd move the gbmapping tag and any links to an External Links section. I was in two minds about whether there should be a link to a Multimap map as the gbmapping tag goes to the Ordnance Survey map, but many other pages have more than one external map link. I've taken the aerial photo link out becuase it goes to the same site as your other map link. Again, I'm in two minds as to whether to leave it in or not.
  • I'd also make sure that there's the category tag so the page automatically appears in the Villages of Lincolnshire category page

My two pennorth there :) Dupont Circle 19:35, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

ok, heres the bit of code im using for the end of the page: (edit page to see it)

(the External Links template thing here)

• VILL is located at 52°59′00″N 00°32′00″W¹.
• grid reference TF700450
  
• [MULTIMAP URL Location map of VILL]
• [MULTIMAP URL Arial view of VILL]
• [CHURCHES URL ST SOMEONES Church, VILL]

{{UK-geo-stub}} [[Category:Villages in Lincolnshire]]

setting the correct name for VILL and the URLs, the correct LAT and LONg and map ref, im providing a multimap link, an arial photo link, a piccy of the church, and anything else such as Village webby etc.

Lincolnshire Poacher 00:08, 3 Apr 2005 (UTC)

(just changed the stub to a template link - no reason for this talk page to be listed as a UK-geo-stub!) Grutness|^hello? 04:17, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I notice that the page is rated B - what would we have to do it to become an A? Brunnian (talk) 13:19, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

A-class is not used much as far as I can see in most projects. To get to an A-class it requires to have a project review involving a number of project members. Normally though most projects tend to go initially for a good article review to get the article to GA-class (comes between B & A), skip A-class and then go straight for a featured article review. Though I would suggest that peer reviews will be needed to get there. Keith D (talk) 16:29, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

If you are looking at what needs doing to the article a quick look shows that the bulleted lists need turning into prose and large sections need to be referenced. I would suggest that for an article of this nature for GA/FA then there should be in the order of 100 references.

photos

what about more photos, if we can, Dupont?

we need some poor hapless fool to drive round lincolnshire taking photos of every village...........

Lincolnshire Poacher

• Excellent idea - sadly I can't be the fool as I only spend 48 hours a year in the county and I'm not spending my Christmas with my parents driving to Old Bolingbroke! I don't have any photos really from when I lived there as when you live somewhere you don't tend to take photos. Dupont Circle 19:37, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

For what it's worth I can contribute a pic of Harmston soon. Nick Fraser 19:48, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You can use the ones from Geograph. Just look at the Ropsley page to see what I did there. Ben 2082 (talk) 16:06, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Geography Section

I've expanded the Geography section a bit - it is still far from satisfactory. When I have time I will try and bring it up to standard, make it punchy and concise and separate some of the material into a linked 'Geography of Lincolnhshire' linked page. In the meantime, please improve and add to this, particularly the subregions (currently incomplete). Forgive me for not finishing this off properly, simply ran out of time. Nick Fraser 19:38, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

good edit, nice section.

Lincolnshire Poacher 21:52, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)

If anyone wants some photographs I have loads from my Lincolnshire Cam days find me on www.wildlifeandcountryside.com. Email me from there. Rosey Timmis-Norton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.41.199.192 (talk) 10:12, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Show

where did you get the date of 1869 as the start of the Lincolnshire Show? I hope your not confusing it with the Lincoln Cattle Market...........my ancestors won a cup at the third Lincolnshire Show (for the 'best pen of 100 breeding sows'!)

Lincolnshire Poacher 21:32, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm happy to be corrected if I'm wrong [1] Dupont Circle 22:42, 10 Apr 2005 (UTC)

No, im not saying ur wrong, i thought it started later, but you may be right. I was just interested where u got the info

Reading the lincolnshire show website this years show (2006) was the 122nd show, if they had one show a year then the first show would of been in 1884 (15 years after the society formed in 1869) i'm currently reading the website to see if there is any 'start year' claims on the website. SimonD 21:40, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

There is a good chance that the show was not held during the first and second world war, and perhaps during F&M outbreaks. Brunnian (talk) 12:37, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

What do you call a fellow resident of Lincolnshire?

In Westfall's biography,

Isaac Newton came from Lincolnshire and had time for any of his 'countrymen' who were travelling in London, during his time as Master of the Mint.

My question: What is the word for a fellow Lincolnshire resident?. Once I know it, I can put this into his article. To me, it does not matter if they did not use the term during Newton's time; it only matters that the term is from Lincolnshire. I would like to include such a sentence as a humanizing fact for the Isaac Newton article. Thank you, Ancheta Wis 00:16, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure that humanising of that sort is appropriate for a Wikipedia article, and putting in a later slang term like "yellowbelly" would surely be inappropriate. There's no useful term, so far as I know — but then, there isn't for most counties. When it sounds OK, one can stick "man" or "woman" on the end of the county name (or derived adjective), as in "Yorkshireman" or "Cornishman", but it's clumsy with "Lincolnshire". Westfall's sentence is also rather clumsy, incidentally: he had time for them during his time... --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 09:02, 9 August 2005 (UTC)

Flag

See here:

BBC

or visit LincolnshireFlag.co.uk here:

David 13:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm no expert but the image on the BBC site doesn't appear to be copyright, maybe it can be used here ? 160.5.247.213 10:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure that the flag is "official" in any meaningful way, being a marketing stunt dreamed up by a glossy magazine. --Brunnian 00:14, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Ceremonial/non-metropolitan county

I have been reading the article (I'm from Lincolnshire), and I don't think the distinction between the two is made clear enough, and I am not sure which the article is actually about, as surely some stuff only applies to one or the other.

I'm not sure how to improve it though, so I am looking for suggestions.

John 11:48, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, this is an issue I also have. The Lincolnshire-Geo-Stub is being added to locations in North Lincolnshire, which is a separate county (unitary authority). Asterion ^{talk to me} 11:55, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Is there much point in making the distinction between Lincolnshire, North Lincolnshire and North East Lincolnshire in terms of this stub? The latter two are a fairly recent invention and the flag on the stub is used across the entire (Ceremonial) county. --Bedders 12:20, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

I think we are doing well with the {{Lincolnshire}} template labelled as Ceremonial county. This way it can also be used for N Lincs and NE Lincs, which to be honest makes more sense than labelling them with {{Yorkshire}}. I don't really know what would the best thing to do be regarding the geo-stubs. There aren't too many N and NE Lincs stubs to warrant a separate one. Maybe Lincolnshire-Geo-Stub description should be changed to cover Lincolnshire county and the two unitary authorities (I haven't checked it recently, maybe already done). --E Asterion ^{u talking to me?} 00:25, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

I've always been of the opinion that three separate articles are needed: for Lincolnshire (administrative), Lincolnshire (ceremonial) and Lincolnshire (traditional). That way the information specific to each can all be kept separate and the main Lincolnshire article can link to all three. Owain (talk) 12:52, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Language

The use of while in the sense of "until" is given as an example of a peculiarly or characteristically Lincolnshire usage. In fact it is also common in my native Lancashire and I suspect it is known throughout those parts of England which were exposed to Old Norse influence.

EdwinGreenwood 12:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, I don't think this particular to Lincolnshire, I've heard 'while' used in this sense by people in South Yorkshire too (though not West or North Yorkshire). Nick Fraser 07:17, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

can someone put in about Crumpets being called Pikelets in Lincolnshire —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingdomoflindsey (talk • contribs)

Not in South Lincolnshire, it's not, though... --86.130.9.237 00:29, 28 November 2006 (UTC).

How do you define South Lincolnshire? We used to call them pikelets in Boston. SMeeds 09:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

They were Pikelets in Castle Bytham in the '60s and '70s. Still are in Stamford, at least in Asker's bakery. --Brunnian 23:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

I still use 'Nah theen', and remember in my youth people using the -en plural (Shooen for shoes in particular) -- Brunnian 23:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

wouldnt be good if put how to pronounce certain towns and villages in dialect

Weblinks

Is http://www.extremehorizon.com/ a suitable site for the lincolnshire entry?

I don't think so. -- Lee Stanley 23:20, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

I feel the same about http://www.lincolnshirehairandbeauty.com/ -- Brunnian (talk) 15:37, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Posy?

Is there a reason there is no mention of Percy Grainger's masterpiece Lincolnshire Posy? It's a pretty famous composition of his. I actually stumbuled upon this article looking for the piece =P --Kevin 05:04, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

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Villages Needs a Lot of Work

The pages for the villages in Lincolnshire really need a lot of work. Maybe we could do something with local newspapers or something, to get people to write an article for their village and then we could just post them up here? Just an idea. Ben 2082 (talk) 16:05, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

'Services and Retail' is a meaningless list

I'm a bit worried about the table in section 2.2 'Services and Retail'. The list to the iggi web site is broken, and the article does not say what this is a ranking of. Is it sales volume, number of boarded up shops, level of shoplifting, number of retail outlets, average door width for wheelchair users, number of shops painted yellow? I can't tell. Brunnian (talk) 14:21, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I have marked the link as dead for now, but I agree that it gives no clue as to what the list represents. May be there is an archived copy of the page available that will help. Keith D (talk) 15:34, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

European election

I think that we need to add some details of the counties representation in the European Parliament as a result of the elections, currently there is no mention of Europe in this context. Keith D (talk) 12:28, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

"Bomber County"

Discussion of this term would be useful. Drutt (talk) 15:17, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

In what way? Lincolnshire has always been known as Bomber County, since the Second World War due to its many Airfields. You might find this of interest Here. --BSTemple (talk) 16:57, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Article makes no mention of the term or its background. It would be a helpful addition. Drutt (talk) 17:06, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Splitting up

Is it time to move 'events' and 'places of interest' out to a separate page?--Brunnian (talk) 17:47, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Not sure about the 'events' section as not too bad at the moment, the 'places of interest' section needs to be turned into prose for this article so would be suitable to split out like for example List of places of interest in Bath, Somerset then adding a prose summary here like Bath, Somerset with a link to the sub-article. Keith D (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Lincolnshire Map

I know this affects Lincolnshire as a whole and not this page as much but the main map for Lincolnshire which has all the major routes and railway lines needs a update to take account of the new A16 route to Peterborough with old A16 route to Stamford from Spalding being downgraded to a non-primary route but I dont know how to inform the necessary people so that the update can be preformed. ( MOTORAL1987 (talk) 19:53, 17 September 2011 (UTC) )

Probably Nilfanion is the best person to talk to as they created the blank map templates. Keith D (talk) 19:59, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Politics of Lincolnshire!

I think its high time that a special page (enlisted "Politics of Lincolnshire") was set up to look at recent and past election results for Lincolnshire in both county council and also the unitary authorities in North East Lincolnshire and North Lincolnshire. I propose that the new page is split into five sections, one for each of the council areas which can be filled with maps to show how each ward voted both in the present and in the past as well as show results from each of the wards. I also propose a section to focus on Westminster results from across the county although great detail may need not be applied to that section and also a final section on the recent AV referendum and also the page could also be used to providing information on district council results both past and present but I am thinking more at this time about county/unitary authority level. This brand new page would ease the need to put detailed information on the main county page as well as providing brand new information on the political landscape of Lincolnshire as well as its political past at a local level. ( MOTORAL1987 (talk) 16:36, 20 September 2011 (UTC) )

Agreed. The list of attractions wants splitting out too.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 21:04, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Inaccuracies

This article has a bunch but something should be done about, or explained with regards to the inclusion of Thomas Paine who had nothing as far as I'm aware to do with Lincolnshire - wrong Lincoln? Also the language section looks like it has been copy/pasted from the Yorkshire page. Some of the stuff in there is definitely not Lincolnshire simply because it has bled into Lincolnshire in some parts. Streaky (talk) 00:59, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Paine has a tenuous link in that he was appointed as an Excise Officer in December 1762, based in Grantham. I've added a comment to that effect.—GrahamSmith (talk) 11:56, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Robin Hood airport

The remark Robin Hood Airport ... provide a wider range of flights. puzzles me. Humberside has thrice-daily scheduled flights to Aberdeen & Schiphol, and a bunch of charters. And the offshore helicopters. Robin hood seems to have intermittent & charter flights. Who nominates one or the other as superior? --Robert EA Harvey (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

separate County Council page

hi there

as far as I can see Lincolnshire is the only County not to have its own page for the County Council [1]

instead it has http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire_County_Council#Politics which is actually a section on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincolnshire

Shall I create one?

JT

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_county_councils_in_England