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Adoption

Hi Steven! I'm Mach, i've read your profile on the adopt-a-user's adoptee's area and i'm wondering you would like to adopt me? --MachKushay ^{t c} 12:39, 15 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there - sure! Would love to. I'm in a similar timezone to you (east coast of Australia) but it's getting late here. How about you tell me a little bit about yourself, your interests, what you hope to learn from the adoption process and what you hope to do on Wikipedia. I'll start. I'm Steve, I've been editing Wikipedia for around five years, a lot of what I do on Wikipedia revolves around resolving conflict between other users but I also do some cleanup work and other bits and pieces. Outside of Wikipedia, I like to play video games. Tell me about you (we will get stuck into things tomorrow). Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 12:51, 15 July 2013 (UTC

My real name is Ahmad Kushay, i enjoy playing video games,reading, and studying about everything, although my primary interests are math,chemistry,physics,and politics. I joined wikipedia because i find the idea of volunteering to share knowledge is interesting, i want to make myself usefull to other people. I hope to learn many things from the adoption process, such as wiki markups, wikipedia policy and guidelines, how to deal with vandalism,etc.. --MachKushay ^{t c} 13:19, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

That's really great. Okay, I've started up an adoption lessons page for you which is located at this page. Generally, we start of with a quick review of some basic policies. Take a read over this page, and in your own words, briefly explain to me (a paragraph or so is enough) what you've learned. It's not important to know all the policies off by heart, but having a basic understanding of what they mean is very useful. If you have any questions feel free to ask me. Let's get going! :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 23:53, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry i've replied your message now. I'm busy with school stuffs. Okay, so here's what i've learned :

• You must be bold in editing wikipedia, but you must also use common sense at the same time.
• Sign your talk page comments with four tildes (~~~~) which will insert your signature and the time you commented, but do not insert signatures when editing an article.
• Use edit summary every time you make an edit. This will allow another users to know what have you edited.
• Do not vandalise, undo another user's edit without discussion,use bad words when discussing, insert my own thought/opinion in an article, and use wikipedia as a place for advertisement.
• Always insert citations from reliable sources, and
• Always assume good faith to another users. --MachKushay ^{t c} 02:20, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

• Hi @MachKushay:, that's really good and shows you understood it all. How have things been going on Wikipedia for you lately? Are you ready to do another lesson? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:16, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Adoption

I'm currently looking for an experienced editor to adopt me. Would you be OK with adopting me for the duration of my conditional unblock, which is for 6 months? my Time Zone is GMT +12 (New Zealand Time).--Anderson I'm Willing To Help 21:21, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I'm not too familiar with the terms of your unblock, so I'm going to have a chat with Kudpung and Worm That Turned about the circumstances, but I'd definitely be willing. Let me get back to you. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 00:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, Steven Crossin. You have new messages at Kudpung's talk page.
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WP:DRN

How's the restructure coming? I noticed you said 30 minutes, but that was four hours ago. Need any help? theonesean 04:38, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

I've got a bit of a bug with the code I am trying to fix - it should not take me much longer. :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 04:42, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

DRN fix

Hey Steven,

I noticed there's some issues with the subpages. It seems to be to do with the heading depth (aka how many ='s there are). I've removed some levels and it seems to be working. Just an FYI. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:17, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

What issues are you seeing? I can't see any on my end? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 12:20, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

They seem to be ok now but before the TOC looked like:

 1 Current disputes 
  1.1 Battle of Kursk 
   1.1.1 Opening comments by Gunbirddriver
   1.1.2 Opening comments by Binksternet
   1.1.3 Opening comments by Sturmvogel 66
   1.1.4 Discussion
    1.1.4.1 Morgellons 
     1.2.4.1.1 4 July 2013
     1.2.4.1.2 Opening comments by Erythema
     1.2.4.1.3 Opening comments by Drgao

and so on. When I previewed adding another in the depth got deeper. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:23, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I reformatted the second original thread initially before I did the first. All good now :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 12:24, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

No worries! Let me know if you need a hand doing anything but I'll let you get on with it for now :) Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 12:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Now you mention it, I do need a hand with something! Because the disputes will now be subpaged, the existing ones we are sub paging are still open. Are you able to notify the parties in the disputes that the disputes have been subpaged as part of the rearrangement, and that to watch list the specific page? (and give them a general reminder about the dispute in general). That'd be a big help! Thanks in advance :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 12:36, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I'll put a short notice on their talk pages informing them of the change. Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 13:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Great. All open DRN cases have now been subpaged and re-added to DRN, so you should be good to go. Thanks again :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 13:15, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

What happened to "Conversion of non-Muslim places of worship..."? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Also, is it possible to put in a line a.k.a. ---- at the end of each dispute just to seperate them a bit more. Currently one stops and another just sort of starts Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 13:26, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

That's done. Nice pick up :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 13:46, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Can you help out?

I don't know what I'm doing with [[1]] so it can get listed. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, (sorry Steven, bit of a ninja steal here) DRN is right in the middle of a big revamp where we're moving to individual subpages. The bot which posts the pages to the main DRN page is currently offline while the work is taking place. Don't worry, it'll be listed manually soon! Cabe6403 ^{(Talk•Sign)} 13:28, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, the robot that manages DRN is offline for a few hours, so at present I am listing the manually (and have done so) but it will all be back to normal soon. Kind regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 13:39, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Scholars and Gentlemen, Thank you. Hell In A Bucket (talk) 13:40, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Need Help

Hello, I saw your name on the list of editors willing to offer assistance. I am new to Wikipedia and I was trying to add a source to an article about the Burzynski Clinic. I noticed in the first paragraph that the definition of "antineoplaston" on that page was incorrect so I tried to add the definition from the American Cancer Society. It was deleted, so I asked on the Talk page if someone could find a reference for the current definition, but no one has added one, but they won't let me change it.I have written extensively on the Talk page under "Editing and adding sourced material." I tried to add about four entries to the page, but every time i did it was deleted. I tried to post on the Dispute Resolution board, but two of the editors wanted to resolve the issue on the Talk page, so it was closed. Is there anything I can do at this point? I was making very minor changes on the page. I appreciate your help! Thank you!Docia49 (talk) 03:34, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

DR/N template

Could you do a manual update to the template or is that something we are just waiting for the bot to go online for. I thought I saw some discussion that this would require manual updating until the bot functions with the new changes. If you could do that for us once we could emulate what you did in the near future until things are running smoothly? Or is this something we shouldn't mess with to keep from breaking any new functions the bot needs to recognize?--Amadscientist (talk) 05:26, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Nah, the template is all the bot. I'm just waiting for TheEarwig to flip the switch. I understand he's a little busy at the moment but it should only be another couple of days for the time being. I'm keeping a closer eye on DRN than normal as I want the transition to be as smooth as possible. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 11:24, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Any ETA on the bot? As the subpage list gets longer it become harder to pick out the new ones. I don't suppose there's any way to sort that list by page creation date? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 19:02, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

No, we're still waiting on Earwig. If i hear nothing from them by this time tomorrow, I will have to investigate getting a temporary bot to do some of the work. Cheers, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 13:08, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

R.A. The Rugged Man

Thanks for the changes you made. I removed some uncited harsh criticism from the lead. The alleged surname is still scattered around the article, so if you have time, could you change those to the stage name please? I would do so myself but am working away from my office and only have access to a mobile device which is choking on VE bugs right now. Thanks. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:38, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I can do that. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 09:04, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

Village Pump discussion

There is a village pump discussion that pertains to the DR/N in some small manner at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#No one can edit the same article for more than one month.--Mark Miller _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 21:42, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

It is also on Jimbo Wales talk page. Also....I have no idea why this keeps showing up on your talk page so small.--Mark Miller _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 00:15, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

.....and good morning!--Mark Miller _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 00:43, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Good morning indeed. I've arrived to Hong Kong for Wikimania, and I have been in discussions with MedCom. Do you have time to do some IRC or Google Hangout? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 00:45, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

I do have time but still need to figure out what I was doing wrong about sound on my end. I will do some work over here. Fantastic job on the new volunteer list. That must have taken a small amount of work to set up. If you need any help let me know, but I am sure you are more than capable.--Mark Miller _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 19:01, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Dispute over Big.LITTLE article.

Hi there,

I'm involved in a dispute over the capitalization of the article "Big.LITTLE". My point of view is that anyone who has a basic understanding of professional journalism knows that titles get one uppercase letter per word, and that it looks very unprofessional to use all caps (it's also bad English).

Do you know of any well-known editors who have degrees in journalism, or any type of English language degree? People with degrees in Maths/Engineering are kind of the opposite of this.

Here's a link to the discussion: Talk:Big.LITTLE#Article_Title_-_Capitalisation

InternetMeme (talk) 07:47, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

In addition, a current dispute resolution volunteer who claims to "prefer the more controversial cases where emotions run high and a calm. reasoned, and structured discussion is needed." has intentionally insulted me, and I therefore have no faith in his ability to resolve any kind of dispute. InternetMeme (talk) 11:27, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I've seen this and will comment further in the morning. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 18:03, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

You are a Golden Editor!

	Good as gold!
	Hi Steve! I don't know if we have ever met each other, but it is my pleasure to present you with the Golden Editor Award in recognition of your contributions, with particular focus on your service with dispute resolution. Happy editing, AutomaticStrikeout  ?  15:54, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, that's most appreciated :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 16:07, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

You are welcome. AutomaticStrikeout  ?  16:14, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Quoting you at ANI

I just received a ping from an editor that filed a request at DR/N that you closed involving user:Sitush. I agree with your assessment of the situation and will be quoting you with " I think the boomerang effect applies here, and would suggest that if this sort of conduct continues, that Sitush should consider ANI."--Mark _{Just ask! WER TEA DR/N} 04:37, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

OK, thanks for letting me know. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 04:56, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

I have removed myself from the board. No longer a net positive for me or DR/N. Good luck. I hope to return someday.--Mark _{Just ask!} 05:43, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Basically I am being attacked as a DR/N volunteer by user:Soham321 and it has become too much for me to handle at the moment. It makes DR/N look bad and compounded by recent events leads me to the conclusion that I am bringing the board down and my absence can only improve the project and board. I don't think there is anything you can do, but I very much appreciate the thought. Perhaps one day I can return and not be a burden to your efforts that I hold in very high regard. This is not about me. This is about maintaining the trust of the community which I doubt can be accomplished with my further involvement.--Mark _{Just ask!} 06:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)

Notice

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Inactive account creators. Thank you. Dusti^{*Let's talk!*} 07:42, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Help about sockpuppet investigation

Hi, Steven Zhang. I'm Jingiby. Excuse me, but I'm not quite familiar with the procedure on investigation of sock-puppets and I would like you to cooperate with me. The case is as follows: on the article Bulgarians previously was active an Stormfighter14 (talk · contribs) who was subsequently blocked. It was blocked also his sockpuppet Thracianwarrior (talk · contribs). Both were very active on the section called Genetic origins. However then, they didn't provide any reliable arguments on talk section concerning the issue, they only made blind reverts and were as a consequence blocked. Afterwards, with the help of a third party Slovenski Volk a consensus was reached on the talk-page and the section was formed under the rules of NPOV. However since yesterday, a newly registred Ivan1488 (talk · contribs) and Chavdarov1 (talk · contribs) took up the same campaign of edit-warring and blind reverts at the same issue without any arguments. How to deal with this case. Thank you in advance. Jingiby (talk) 12:43, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there @Jingiby:, sorry about the delay in getting back to you. Is this issue still open - please let me know and I'll see what I can do to help. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:10, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks Zhang, but I think that now the case has calmed down. Regs. Jingiby (talk) 05:46, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Commons

Your tattoo pic on commons may need you to justify timer or remote shutter release as author. Depending on the country the rights holder may be the camera owner. See also: File:Photograph of tourists permission form.png. If a Wikipedian took it then they could probably just change to their name in the author field and confirm the license in the edit summary.--Canoe1967 (talk) 06:27, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. The photo was taken at Wikimania by someone else, I can't remember who took the photo. If ultimately necessary the photo could be re-taken, but I honestly don't think someone will have an objection with this photo. Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I have no problem with it but others may. I saw OTRS turn down a US presidential candidate's portrait if he didn't provide a signed document that the copyright holder sold him the rights. You could just put 'a fellow Wikipedian' as author. That may pass scrutiny if anyone questions it. A re-take may solve it as well. If it was your camera the law in that country may have you as the rights holder. In Canada the film or memory stick owner had copyright until July, 2012, the law changed then to the button pusher.--Canoe1967 (talk) 04:44, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Courtesy note

Hi Steven, Hope you are doing well. Thanks for all the great work you have done for the project over the years. I am especially thankful for your work with DR. I have mentioned youf RfA at Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship#The aftermath and thought it would be courteous to let you know about it. I'm sure it was not a very pleasant experience for you. It was painful for me to watch people pile on like that. I hope the community will be more understanding if you decide to run in the future. Kind regards. 64.40.54.46 (talk) 02:28, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi there. I appreciate the kind words. I have considered running for RFA again (and others have encouraged me to do so, as the last one was almost 2 years ago) but I still worry that I'd fail again, partly because of what happened in 2008, but also due to my minimal recent article contributions. I understand the importance of it, I just feel others are much better at it than me and my time is better utilised doing other things (like DR and so on). Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 03:23, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

I understand completely. The project is not what it was many long years ago. BTW, I must aplogize for not following up with the DR improvement stuff when we were chatting last year. I had a number of ideas at the time but ended up getting side tracked on other stuff. Sorry about that. 64.40.54.46 (talk) 04:21, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

That's OK. I've been pretty flat out so it's sort of fallen by the wayside at the moment, but I do hope to pick it up soon. Regards, Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 02:29, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Slightly annoying interaction

Hello, I figured I'd help out on DRN a bit, and had this slightly annoying interaction with a(nother) DRN volunteer: [2]. I wouldn't bother you, but my standard procedure on removal of discussion is to at very least leave a note somewhere. Perhaps this particular user just happened to be having a bad day today, perhaps it's a wider pattern, or perhaps I've been away too long and missed something that should have been obvious. I don't think people should call each other clueless though, I did push back a little bit against that O:-). In any case, I guess you'll know best here. :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 23:13, 2 September 2013 (UTC)

(Response from talk page lurker.) Kim, I started the ball rolling that Hasteur finished, so let me respond. (I presume that you're asking about what happened at DRN, not the removal of the discussion from Hasteur's talk page. That, of course, is expressly permitted by the talk page policy. A lot of people don't like the fact that it can be done, but several attempts to change it have failed.) DRN was created to be a "quick and light" DR process and, as part of that, there is a bot which automatically archives disputes after 14 — not 10 as mentioned by Hasteur — days if any 24-hour period passes in which there is no edit in the dispute. The notion was that if after 14 days the matter is not being actively discussed then it ought to move back to the article talk page or on to some other form of DR. There was about a week, however, during which we experimented with putting each dispute on its own subpage. The bot was not set up to handle those subpaged disputes, though the plan was to have it do so once we saw how the subpaging experiment worked out. The Ghost in the Shell dispute was one of those subpaged disputes, so the autoclose bot could not work on it. The subpaging experiment failed, leaving the disputes which were on subpages in limbo. That's the reason that I proposed to close it on August 26, which Hasteur then did when nothing more happened. The autoclose isn't discussed in the project guidelines because it's ordinarily automatic. (I've considered putting it into the guidelines several times so it won't come as a surprise, but have always decided not to do it because the guidelines are already overcomplicated.) In short, this dispute was an anomaly which had to be handled manually because the automatic features weren't working on it. I think that's the explanation that you were looking for in this edit. If it's not, leave a note here and I'll see if I can't explain it more. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 17:44, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

That's a more extensive answer than I expected. Thank you very much!

So, hmm, from what you tell me, I think perhaps DRN was slightly too lightweight for this particular discussion/approach in this case then.

On the other hand, I'll see what I can do qua speed-chessmediation next time :-) --Kim Bruning (talk) 21:51, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kim, sorry for my delayed response. I agree with what TransporterMan has said. @TransporterMan:, thanks for chiming in on this one in my abscence. RL is flat out, as always. I got that tattoo, btw. Have you seen it? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 02:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Yes I did. Utterly cool. Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:02, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Steven;

I'm about to undertake a mediation that might be quite long, and it looks quite complex (it's the "anti-Serb sentiment" dispute). Would you mind helping me mediate it,to keep track of the various arguments?

--The Historian (talk) 20:32, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Hey there - sure. Taking a look at it, this looks like a rather complex one. I might take the lead on this one but you can help if you want? Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 12:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Help needed in dispute

Hello, I'd like to request mediation (or at least comment from a higher-level user) regarding my dispute with User:Anthonyhcole regarding his reversion of my contribution, [3]. I can understand if he wants to change my wording, but he should not have removed the citations. Thanks.