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I am not sure of the place of accent in Domontovich. Any ideas? — Monedula

Last o is correct. Mikkalai 00:52, 1 Mar 2004 (UTC)

I'm sure she was not the first women ambassador

"In 1923, she became the world's first woman ambassador, serving in Norway, and later in Mexico and Sweden;"

To the best of my knowledge, she was beaten by a few years by Diana Abgar, who served as Ambassador to Japan of the Republic of Armenia (circa 1919). There may be others also. It's better to be careful with statements such as First, best, worst ...

I edited the article accordingly. Also changed When to As, since Stalin had not consolidated his power by 1923. 24.126.41.116 16:47, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC) aka [[User:Italo Svevo]
According to my information, "Diana Abgar a prominent public and political figure, was appointed diplomatic consul of the Republic of Armenia in Japan. She had become a first woman representing Armenia at the international level." That is, she was a senior diplomatic figure, but not an Ambassador as such. As far as I know, Kollontai still holds the record for women ambassadors. Cheers JackofOz 06:23, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Further info: "Diana Agabeg Apcar: Armenia's Consul to Japan - 1920. Appointed by the first Armenian Republic (1918-1920), she was most probably the first woman to hold such a position anywhere.

Known for her patriotic humanitarianism, she helped thousands of Armenian refugees of the Turkish massacres to pass via Japan into the United States." That is, she was not an Ambassadress, but a Consul, a position of lower rank. Cheers JackofOz 06:32, 9 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

According to my sources Kollontai didn't become an ambassador until 1943. Before that she was "just a diplomat". [1]
Ostrobothnian 00:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Christian B (talkcontribs)
There were at least two earlier women ambassadors: Rosika Schwimmer (Hugary-to-Switzerland, 1918) and Ruth Bryan Owen (United States-to-Denmark, 1933).--Pharos (talk) 06:19, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This article contradicts itself

At the beginning it says she was the first female ambassador in 1943. Under the "Revolutionary Career" section it states she became an ambassador to Norway in 1923. Assuming the latter is actually correct shouldn't the former be corrected? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.106.231.75 (talk) 00:04, 23 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mikhail Domontovich

I found two links to Mikhail Domontovich's involvement in Bulgaria (and it's constitution). These do not need to go in to the Kollontai article. The primary source is Kollontai's memoirs. (in Finnish :-( -- Petri Krohn 04:45, 25 October 2005

Okay, so what *does* "free love" mean here???

The article states: "Kollontai also raised eyebrows with her strong promotion of free love. However, this does not mean that she advocated casual sexual encounters; . . ."

This paragraph goes on to say what "free love" does not mean, corrects a statement erroneously attributed to Kollontai, and the states the reason for Kollontai's views on free love: "[S]he believed that true socialism could not be achieved without a radical change in attitudes to sexuality, so that it might be freed from the oppressive norms that she saw as a continuation of bourgeois ideas about property."

But a radical change from what to what??? Nowhere does this paragraph say what her views on free love actually were. How about some knowledgeable person's filling in this particular blank? (Otherwise I recommend that the entire paragraph be deleted for lack of substance.)Daqu (talk) 03:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  1. She's mentioned here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_polyamorists — Preceding unsigned comment added by SvenAERTS (talkcontribs) 23:00, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What the heck does "served himself lavishly" mean?

I refer to this sentence near the end of the article: "Kollontai was awarded the Order of the Aztec Eagle on the basis of her friendship with Mexican Presidents Lázaro Cárdenas del Río (May 21, 1895 – October 19, 1970), who served himself lavishly between 1934 and 1940, and Manuel Ávila Camacho (April 24, 1897 – October 13, 1955), who also served himself very large portions between 1940 and 1946."

I just don't have a clue what this means, and even if everyone else does, it seems some kind of context would be warranted.98.198.209.158 (talk) 06:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

This is the edit that inserted those words. A peek at User:Jameselmo's talk page tells me he is having some trouble understanding Wikipedia's rules. On that basis, I consider it to be vandalism. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and treat it as if it were meant as a joke. But vandalism it is, and so out it goes. -- JackofOz (talk) 11:26, 13 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sublevate?

"She went into exile after publishing "Finland and Socialism", which called on the Finnish people to sublevate against oppression within the Russian Empire." As far as I can tell, there's no such word.

-AL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.172.64.242 (talk) 12:24, 13 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Heavy rewrite needed?

I've prettied up the format and beefed up the bibliography and reading list. This article could stand a top-to-bottom just to get things prettied up and sourced out better. It's not a bad article as it sits, but there's certainly room for it to be significantly improved if someone spends a few days with it. — Tim Davenport /// Early American Marxism website //// Corvallis, OR Carrite (talk) 04:29, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I changed my mind. This is NOT a good article and it needs a heavy rewrite for sure. People need to stick to real history books and not cornball melodramatic potboilers; the bit on Dybenko is farcically bad. Carrite (talk) 04:34, 26 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Swedish or Norwegian?

Confused: as ambassador in Norway, seeking friendship of Norway by appeasing a Swedish delegation?

... soon after the revolution, she was ambassador in Norway, who had recognized the Soviet Union, but de facto, not de jure; now, the formal recognition was what interested the Soviet authorities. In this delicate situation, came a delegation from Russia to sell a large quantity of timber. The Swedes offered a very low price; when she noted that the negotiation was at a standstill, she said: "These gentlemen don't have the mandate to accept such a low price; neither have I; but the friendship of Norway is so important for us, that I will pay the difference." The Swedish delegation retired to consult, after which they said: "We are not so impolite to accept your offer; we accept the Russian price. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zahzuhzaz (talkcontribs) 00:12, 20 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, yes, I noticed that too. Also a couple other claims to be confusing in this article. I've just posted my own comment here (below). I collected some links with information about this woman, and hope they can be used to help fix some of the inconsistencies. I'm also as I said in my comment, use templates to show there are problems to help draw more eyes to this project. I also think the tone is wrong, as I found a lot of 'weasel words' in one section, at least. Thanks. RupJana (talk) 23:08, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Article needs work

Hi, I took an interest in this article, and find there are some weasel words, and other issues such as conflicting statements. I've spent the last hour or so looking up some source to help this article. I was just going to take it as needing help, but after reading some of the sources, took more of an interest. But, I don't have a lot of time, and often I find that I want to work on Wikipedia, only to get busy in real life and I've not done anything of substance to contribute on this site. I'm still going to add some clean-up templates just in case it helps draw attention from others who are more committed and more knowledgeable. If anyone objects to the template I add, I understand that anyone can edit. I hope I am able to help more often myself, and will come back, if anything, to add the sources I've collected if I'm not able to re-write parts of the article myself. Feedback is always welcome. Thank you. RupJana (talk) 23:02, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The 'first' female

I don't think these claims are correct. I added dubious to both, when after doing some research I couldn't find anything to be able to tell which was correct, or if there needed to be a total rewrite of the intro. Some sources claim that Rosika Schwimmer was the first ambassador and or minister. here and maybe here From this source Kollonti was "Elected to Central Committee in 1917 and Commissar for Social Welfare in the Soviet government." http://www.marxists.org/archive/kollonta/into.htm , but she also did many other things before that, but as for "first in the world" , I think the claim is dubious.


I'll try to find more. I have to go now for real life, this is hard work. Thanks to all who help here at this and other articles. Bye for now. PS. Sorry if I'm unclear, but I'm rushed and am not comfortable yet with the workings of Wikipedia, and it takes up a lot time away from the subject. I just didn't want to mark up the page without some explanation for it. Thanks again. Sorry.RupJana (talk) 00:13, 21 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relative to Hugo Kołłątaj?

Was Alexandra Kollontai - [Олександра Коллонтай] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup (help), [Александра Коллонтай] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup (help) - a relative to Hugo Kołłątaj - [Гуго Коллонтай] Error: {{Lang-xx}}: text has italic markup (help) ? --85.76.107.154 (talk) 10:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]