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Pictures

Hehehe, here I am again bothering the great Quadell, sorry :)... I have a new project in mind and I need a favour form someone who is an expert in copyright and pictures and those tricky stuffs. Can you check if there are free pictures or non-free pictures to use under fair use, of Bono wearing his character's suits on the ZooTV tour:

  • Mr. MacPhisto
  • The Mirror Ball Man

We don't need a picture of The Fly because we already have one File:Bono_as_The_Fly_Cleveland_1992.jpg

They're for this section
Thanks very mucb in advance. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 20:02, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I'm afraid not. I did find this picture of the sequined car from the Zoo TV tour, now hanging in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But none of the Creative Commons search options turned up any of those alter-egos. Sorry! – Quadell (talk) 20:14, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, no problem. Thanks for trying :D Have a good day! Oh, I was about to ask you the other day; do you like U2? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 20:17, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I was really into Achtung Baby in the 90s, like everyone was, and I still enjoy some of their War-era songs now and again. But I haven't really followed them since Zooropa. (I respect Bono's charitable work, of course.) Nobody has to ask if you like them! You're doing a lot for their legacy by keeping their articles in great condition. – Quadell (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I knew it! :D... after asking the Larry picture question the other day and the barnstar you gave me lol. My favourite album is Achtung Baby but their best album is TJT.
Oh yeah, I breath U2 hahah. Why thank you... I don't know if I am doing a lot, I am just having fun and helping Wikipedia. Thank you very much! Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 20:28, 28 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hallo-rry picture

Can I upload it now? I want to make sure there is no problem at all with that. I've never seen any other user making a joke with the picture of a celebrity. I am hesitating too much. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 16:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you should upload it. It's fine. I'll help out if you like. – Quadell (talk) 17:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'd like that. Please help me. I am a little bit coward, I guess. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:10, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
If you want, you can e-mail it to me. Just use the "email this user" link in the toolbox. – Quadell (talk) 17:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Is it possible to attach files via Wikipedia?? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:17, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No, but if you e-mail me, you can attach in a reply. Just e-mail me, and I'll show you. – Quadell (talk) 17:18, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, I knew about that but the problem is that I am at work and I cannot check my email inbox form here, I will have to go to the place where I check it and it will take a while. That's the problem. Is too complicated Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, you could just upload it, and I'll keep an eye on it and delete it when Halloween is over. Whatever you're most comfortable with is fine by me. – Quadell (talk) 17:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I will upload it, please keep an eye on it and delete it, please, please... My only concern is if someone would download it and spread it over the Internet... (O_o)?

Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:25, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure thing. – Quadell (talk) 17:28, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What is a sure thing?? My pict spread all over the Internet? Oh my! Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:55, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I just mean, sure, I'll keep an eye on it. I can't guarantee no one will download it and pass it on. But I can assure you that you won't get in any legal trouble. – Quadell (talk) 17:58, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I will. Now I wish we could upload things and remain anonymous... Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:01, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe I am overreacting. The picture is not a masterpiece or something big... it's just a joke to say happy birthday to Larry. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:31, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I am not sure which license I should use. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:09, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
You can use whatever license the original picture had. Just upload it, and I'll help. – Quadell (talk) 18:14, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done It's horrible but... it's halloween. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:21, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
What are you talking about?! That looks excellent! I have added source and licensing information, and I will delete it after Halloween if you ask me to. – Quadell (talk) 18:22, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Nah! Do you really think that or you are saying it just to make me feel beter? Oh thanks for taking care of that. Hope it doesn't get to Larry's ears eyes. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:32, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I really do thing it's great. If Larry were to see it, I think he'd get a chuckle out of it. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hhaaha ok, I believe you. Thank you so much again for all your help. Remember to delete it after Halloween. Thank you so much again! Best! Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 18:40, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can you delete the image already, please? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:20, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I can. But Halloween has just begun! Are you sure you want me to delete it already? – Quadell (talk) 14:27, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, ok, just a while. I'm just a little bit anxious. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:32, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
It was you who deleted the picture, right? Why was it copied to Commons? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:10, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I deleted it just now. It's not on Commons. (Someone tagged it with a "Move this to Commons" tag, but no one did so.) – Quadell (talk) 13:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much, Quadell, you rock! My day kind of sucked yesterday... Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thank you for reviewing Aleister Crowley Quadell! Much appreciated! Midnightblueowl (talk) 21:15, 30 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure! Now there are just two more reviews to finish up, and I'll be out of your hair. All the best, – Quadell (talk) 14:30, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Halloween!

 Hello Quadell, Miss Bono has given you an lovely bat, to wish you a Happy Halloween! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a lovely bat! Enjoy!
Spread the goodness of a lovely bat by adding {{subst:User:Miss Bono/Halloween}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
Even the Sims are dressing up in costume this Halloween! – Quadell (talk) 17:10, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sweet lol Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:12, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Jazz photos

Thank you for responding, there were several responses but you seemed to ask the right question. The photos I am looking at and trying to deal with:

UNT Stan Kenton Collection (a couple from the early 60s pics)- http://digital.library.unt.edu/search/?fq=str_title_serial:Capitol%20Records%20Recording%20Sessions%20%281940%27s%29

How would you proceed?

Thanks!

Jcooper1 (talk) 20:59, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

These are some great photos. Unfortunately, they might be copyrighted. UNT Library hosts the images, but doesn't hold the copyright, and their disclaimer warns: "Responsibility for any use of these materials rests exclusively with the user". U.S. copyright law can be awfully confusing, and Wikipedia image policy can be even more confusing, but here are some points.
(1) If we can't show that these photos are in the public domain, i.e. not copyrighted, then we probably can't use them on Wikipedia. (2) Whether the photos are copyrighted or not depends on when they were published, and how they were published. (3) For photos like this, "published" means "made available to the general public". (4) It looks like the photos were owned by Noel Wedder, Kenton's publicist, and were donated to UNT sometime after Kenton's death in 1979. Wedder probably didn't publish them before that, but they were legally "published" whenever UNT made the photos available to the public. (5) There is a narrow opportunity to show that these photos are in the public domain: if someone can confirm that the photos were published (made available to the general public) before 1989, and if someone can confirm that there are no © symbols on either the front or the back of the photos, then we can show that the images are in the public domain. (6) Your best chance is probably to contact Head Music Librarian Morris Martin morris.martin@unt.edu, 940-565-2860. He might be able to confirm those things. (7) Even if these things are confirmed, I'll still have to do one more step of looking through the copyright records to make sure the copyright wasn't subsequently registered. But it's almost certain that I won't find anything, assuming the issues at point #5 check out.
I know, it seems ridiculous. But if we can't prove these things, then it's possible Wedder or someone else might still hold the copyright to these photos, and they could sue Wikipedia for publishing them without their permission. Good luck, and let me know if you get good news. – Quadell (talk) 21:41, 31 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Crucifixion darkness

Sure. I have started a talk page discussion. I'm very reluctant to use the "most prolific content-creator" argument (it sounds too much like WP:OWN) but in any case User:Tcisco (who has not edited since June 2012) has more edits on the article. StAnselm (talk) 22:15, 4 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MacPhisto

I've finished MacPhisto, can I upload? Can you keep an eye on it to see if everything is ok. If it is horrible feel free to delete, I don't have much of a steady hand. I used the freeform pen tool to draw paths freehand, because I still haven't learnt how to use the anchor of the pen tool. So, warning, MacPhisto might be awful. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:04, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, upload it and I'll check it out. – Quadell (talk) 13:11, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. What do you think? I tried to make the suit shiny and gold, but I think I failed. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 13:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That's really good! Did you use an underlying base image for the human form? – Quadell (talk) 14:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
At first but then I added the details by myself, like the eyes and the suit's folds. I used an underlying base image for Bono's silhouette. Is that illegal (O_o)? Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:03, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
That depends. If the underlying image was non-free, and some of the creative content in the underlying image is still present in your image, then it could be a derivative work. – Quadell (talk) 14:05, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Mmmmm! I don't even know where did I get that image. It could be from anyone who has attended to a ZooTV show. What should I do? Feel free to delete it. I will try and draw another one without using any underlying image, just my imagination. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:07, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect it would be better to replace it with one that is either based on a free image, or else is made completely from scratch. – Quadell (talk) 14:21, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Can you find a free image for me and email it? I don't think I have any free image, well I don't know if the images I have are free or not. Just in case, I will start to draw using my imagination. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 14:24, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
When I had Devianart I used to search for U2 fan-art. Can you try to search for some MacPhisto pict released under a free license? Thank you so so so so much! Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 16:28, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Well, if we had a free pic of Bono as MacPhisto, we would just use that. I've looked, but I don't think one exists. – Quadell (talk) 16:35, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Oh... that sucks. It is time to free my imagination and see Bonos and MacPhistos everywhere. I will let you know when I have finished the new pict. Thanks for all your help again and sorry for the bothers. P.S. You should delete that picture, someone has already added a copy to commons template. Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 16:38, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :D Miss Bono [hello, hello!] 17:00, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Divine

Just to say thank you for reviewing Divine (performer)! Glad that you enjoyed it! Midnightblueowl (talk) 00:00, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No problem, it was fun. And I can't wait to see what fascinating historical figure you work on next! – Quadell (talk) 12:10, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

mirror images

Hey, I felt the need to run this by someone and thought you might be interested. I'm sure the lawyers'll be moving in there soon, but I just posted this on an Amazon page: review for Graeme Thomson's new Harrison bio. If you get a chance to compare the relevant pages with the wiki articles (that is, if the Amazon search parameters allow for it), I'd be interested to hear your thoughts. I suppose it's odd, sitting where I am – having purchased a book only to figure, Hang on a darn minute … I think I helped create that book ... Best, JG66 (talk) 10:10, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, that's terrible! As a Wikipedia reviewer, I always check for Wikipedia:Close paraphrasing, and I not infrequently fail nominees for such problems. But although I haven't personally had to deal with plagiarism the other way 'round – professional authors plagiarizing from Wikipedia – I know that it does happen. I'm sorry to hear that it happened to you.
I can't check the claim myself: at least for me, sitting in the U.S., Amazon isn't allowing "search inside", and the book doesn't seem to be in Google Books. I would ask my library to buy it so I can check more carefully, but I don't really want to reward the author financially.
I'm not sure what your best move is, since I've never dealt with this before, but I thought I'd list some resources.
All the best, – Quadell (talk) 13:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Many thanks – so helpful, once again. You've got it in a nutshell: we're not used to seeing plagiarism the other way around.
I've worked with a good few non-fiction authors who, it must be said, have not been shy about pasting entire paragraphs from an online source (particularly Wikipedia) into their manuscript, and one tends to develop a nose for it, so to speak. (i.e., the "borrowed" text often stands out so much.) In the case of this Harrison bio, aside from the most obvious similarities (no straight pasting-in, I hasten to add), I can tell the author's tried to cover his tracks to some degree, here and there – another giveaway, because it's done far from convincingly. It's seeing all those same references from Rock's Backpages that did it for me. I have never seen many of those articles referenced in any book before – Harrison, Beatles, 1960s/70s rock music or otherwise. This author has simply ripped off a free encyclopaedia.
I will look into those options you've listed. Right now, I want to get the word 'round to a few other editors – if nothing else, I'd like to ensure that the review I wrote appears automatically with the book listing, by having more people vote it as "helpful". (As an Amazon customer, I would certainly find a heads-up like that pretty helpful.) Could well raise the issue at Copyright Cleanup, as you suggest. I'm thinking that a letter to the publisher is definitely in order. Knowing book publishers, they'll worry – they're just as wary of authors doing this sort of thing as you or I would be.
The only upside is, this author has actually legitimised a source I'd had this nagging doubt about in one song article. So: he repeats what I wrote, now I can use him as my source … Bizarre.
Big thanks again. JG66 (talk) 16:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
No. You cannot use that source to legitimize another. That is circular referencing and that is not allowed. If this person took your work, didn't attribute and did other shady things why would you use anything they write? Though to be fair, Wikipedia's articles can be sold for profit, but attribution is required by CC by SA. Congrats - you are published. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 18:06, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It could be a good idea to use the {{Backwardscopy}} template on the talk pages of the suspected content. I've seen Talk:Jimi Hendrix use an example of this. I've clicked "helpful", but the amount of people doesn't seem to change for me unless it's a problem with the amazon servers updating. (I hope Quadell doesn't mind us using their talk page like this). Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 18:38, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Having reviewed a few of your articles for GA, I know how much work you put into them, so I'm sorry it's happened. I'm not sure what, if anything, could be done about something like this. Maybe you can get the publisher to cite Wikipedia in any future editions, but I don't know. Interestingly, there's a biography of Adele that cites the Adele wiki as its main source, so in theory the same should apply here. Paul MacDermott (talk) 19:11, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Quadell, Yeepsi's right – I've routed everybody through here to the Amazon link and our discussion. I'm hope that's okay?
My thanks to all for your input and ideas. It seems only Paul MacD can get even a partial preview (from an earlier version of your message, Paul?) – maybe you also, Yeepsi, in the UK? If everyone could vote on the Amazon page, I think that might be very helpful (either that or I'm grasping at straws).
Oh, and ChrisG: I know what you mean, but it's not an issue in this case. What I'd been concerned about was a good source for quoted text from a particular Harrison interview – his actual words. The existence of the interview and the gist of his statement, they were well supported; this author's used the same quote, sourced it to the same radio interview, so all is okay. JG66 (talk) 20:39, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yah, just to confirm, I can get the prologue and first chapter as a preview, but it may be this is exclusive to the UK. Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:17, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I too can see the prologue and first chapter only, but cannot search. (And it's fine to discuss this here.) – Quadell (talk) 21:20, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Same as above – up to the "Be Here Now Liverpool, July 1958" header in Chapter 1. Best, yeepsi (Talk tonight) 21:25, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Hope it's ok to do this. I've just been sent a screen capture of the copyright declaration at the front of the book, and thought it might be useful for anyone who can't get to it. The image can be viewed here. Cheers Paul MacDermott (talk) 21:45, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia_talk:Reward_board#As_we_are_going_to_keep_this.2C_do_we_need_to_tighten_the_criteria_a_bit.3F

Given it's been kept at MfD, I've reposted a proposal to tighten it. See header. Cheers, Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:46, 9 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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