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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)


ICHTHUS

June 2013

From the Editor

Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

THE
HISTORICAL JESUS

Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

Did you know...

A Handel manuscript
  • ... that Johann Sebastian Bach wrote the initials "S. D. G.", for Soli Deo Gloria, at the beginning and end of all his church compositions to give God credit for the work, and that Handel at times did the same?

Calendar
The coming month includes days dedicated to the honor of Beheading of John the Baptist, Saints Peter and Paul, the Nativity of John the Baptist, and Saint Barnabas.


Help requests
Please let us know if there are any particular areas, either individual articles or topics, which you believe would benefit from outside help from other editors. We will try to include such requests in future issues.

Ichthus is published by WikiProject Christianity.
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Please comment on Talk:San Salvador Island

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Miniscule 3686

Hi. You created the article Miniscule 3686 but all other similar articles are named Minuscule. Is the name difference correct? If it's not I can change it if you don't have time. Aisteco (talk) 22:59, 22 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I named the article based on the sources but it appears you are correct. Minuscule is the better spelling. Go ahead and change it. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Done. Thanks.
Aisteco (talk) 22:14, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A cheeseburger for you!

Welcome back, and enjoy some beef-- Khazar2 (talk) 15:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion of interest

A discussion you may be interested in is this RFC, a proposal to make the second comma in a date/place optional. United States Man (talk) 05:43, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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WikiCup 2013 October newsletter

The WikiCup is over for another year! Our champion, for the second year running, is Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions). Our final nine were as follows:

  1. Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions)
  2. Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions)
  3. Canada Sasata (submissions)
  4. Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions)
  5. New South Wales Casliber (submissions)
  6. Scotland Adam Cuerden (submissions)
  7. London Miyagawa (submissions)
  8. Poland Piotrus (submissions)
  9. Wyoming Ealdgyth (submissions)

All those who reached the final win prizes, and prizes will also be going to the following participants:

  • New South Wales Casliber (submissions) wins the FA prize, for four featured articles in round 4, worth 400 points.
  • Colorado Sturmvogel_66 (submissions) wins the GA prize, for 20 good articles in round 3, worth 600 points.
  • Portland, Oregon Another Believer (submissions) wins the FL prize, for four featured lists in round 2, worth 180 points.
  • Scotland Adam Cuerden (submissions) wins the FP prize, for 23 featured pictures in round 5, worth 805 point.
  • Republic of Rose Island Sven Manguard (submissions) wins the FPo prize, for 2 featured portals in round 3, worth 70 points.
  • Australia Hawkeye7 (submissions) wins the topic prize, for a 23-article featured topic in round 5, worth 230 points.
  • Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) wins the DYK prize, for 79 did you know articles in round 5, worth 570 points.
  • Ohio ThaddeusB (submissions) wins the ITN prize, for 23 in the news articles in round 4, worth 270 points.
  • United States Ed! (submissions) wins the GAR prize, for 24 good article reviews in round 1, worth 96 points.
  • The judges are awarding the Oddball Barnstar to British Empire The C of E (submissions), for some curious contributions in earlier rounds.
  • Finally, the judges are awarding Wales Cwmhiraeth (submissions) the Geography Barnstar for her work on sea, now a featured article. This top-importance article was the highest-scoring this year; when it was promoted to FA status, Cwmhiraeth could claim 720 points.

Prizes will be handed out in the coming weeks. Please be patient!

Congratulations to everyone who has been successful in this year's WikiCup, whether you made it to the final rounds or not, and a particular congratulations to the newcomers to the WikiCup who have achieved this year. Thanks to all who have taken part and helped out with the competition. While it has been an excellent year, errors have opened up the judges' eyes to the need for a third judge, and it is with pleasure that we announce that experienced WikiCup participant Miyagawa will be acting as a judge from now on. We hope you will all join us in welcoming him to the team.

Next year's competition begins on 1 January. You are invited to sign up to participate; it is open to all Wikipedians, new and old. Brainstorming and discussion remains open for how next year's competition will work, and straw polls will be opened by the judges soon. Those interested in friendly competition may also like to keep an eye on the stub contest, being organised by Casliber. The WikiCup judges will be back in touch over the coming months, and we hope to see you all in the 2014 competition. Until then, it only remains to once again congratulate our worthy winners, and thank all participants for their involvement! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talkemail) and The ed17 (talkemail) 00:31, 1 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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MOS:COMMA

I have opened a new RFC at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style § RFC: Proposed amendment to MOS:COMMA regarding geographical references and dates. sroc 💬 08:30, 7 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Deleting an inbound page

Hi Chris,

I am ready for my wikipedia page to go live, however, you told me not to copy and paste but to move the page. Before that, however, I am supposed to request the inbound page to be removed. How do I do that?

Also, what if I copy and paste very specific parts of the page as opposed to the whole page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Obamishigbin (talkcontribs) 02:35, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Obamishigbin: There are a couple things in play. Since the article you want change (Shelley E. Taylor) already exists, you are welcome to be bold and make edits as you need to; it would be inappropriate to have that page deleted. Be sure to use the edit summary when making changes. As you make incremental changes, another Wikipedian may revert your changes after which the issue can be discussed and a solution identified. However, if you wanted to make a wholesale rewrite (paste your version in, replacing the current content) you would need to post a message on the talk page notifying other editors what you intend to do and give them a couple days to respond, thereby avoiding potential upset.
Additionally, you are using your user page as your sandbox and vice versa. The edit history is primarily only important in the main namespace, so once you've made the changes you need to, you can copy the content from your sandbox into your user page.
By the way, don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes on talk pages so editors can tell who wrote what comment. Chris Troutman (talk) 08:36, 8 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Plagiarism Question

Hi Chris,

As I'm editing the Wikipedia article on Normative Social Influence, I noticed that the very first paragraph is the exact same as the definition found here: http://www.definitions.net/definition/Normative%20social%20influence

Not sure who plagiarized who, but how should I proceed? Should I just strip the first paragraph from the Wikipedia article, and resummarize it in my own words?

Thank you for your help! Jblim23 (talk) 07:03, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for asking! Definitions.net has plagiarized Wikipedia and I can tell because Wikipedia has cited the quotes in the lede, thereby proving where Wikipedia's content came from. I've run into this problem where the same unsourced quote was used in Wikipedia and other documents and it became impossible to tell which came first. There's no need to re-write anything as several mirrors and blatant intellectual thefts of Wikipedia content exist so you'd always find cases like these. I'm glad to see you're keeping your eye out for this sort of thing. Chris Troutman (talk) 07:22, 12 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Updating a stub

Hi Chris,

Normally I would just look this up on my own, but I figured it would be easier to just ask you. I am going to add quite a bit of information to the disconfirmed expectancy page later this weekend once I have finished polishing it up in my sandbox. When I do that, should I remove the STUB tags from the page/talk page? What is the general protocol for that?

Thanks, Adam Blake (talk) 16:53, 15 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:STUB, there isn't a hard-and-fast rule for how much content makes a stub. I would say that if your improvements make the article more than a blurb, it's not a stub anymore. Choose any of the listed possible criteria at WP:STUB if any of those grab your interest. The DYK stub criteria is a good example. Regardless, be bold and remove the stub template if you think it makes sense. Chris Troutman (talk) 03:01, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Galicia

Dear Chris. Please see my response to your message on my profile. That will be much apreciated--Martina Moreau (talk) 21:10, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]