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Official name of the Italian state in English

This is a bit strange, but despite common sense, the Italian government [sent a letter to the UN ten years ago] clarifying that it preferred to be known in English as the "Republic of Italy" rather than the "Italian Republic." I have not found any more recent contrary authority, so it would appear that "Republic of Italy" remains the official name of the Italian state in English. It is true that Repubblica italiana ought to translate to "Italian Republic," and "Republic of Italy" more closely tracks Repubblica d'Italia (which is not the name of the Italian state in Italian), but since governmental decisions on the name of the state in a foreign language are essentially definitive, we should not have any problems making the move. Obviously, the name would have to be sourced; I would also recommend including a note within the ref to the effect "Officially; Repubblica italiana literally translates to "Italian Republic."" I would normally do this without asking, but since this is a rather prominent change about which some might get confused I felt it best to see if anyone had any serious objections. Lockesdonkey (talk) 18:42, 3 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seeing no objections, I'm making the change. Lockesdonkey (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the official name: Italian constitution from the official site of the President of the Republic. A government has no authority to change the name and the constitution, moreover with a simple message to a foreign embassy. --Enok (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • That may seem at first glance to be true. However, the only official name of the Republic is Repubblica italiana--the name in Italian. What the translation into English (or any other foreign language) is will always be unofficial, albeit one may be preferred by the government. As it is, we have two sources: one which expressly says "the way we like to translate Repubblica italiana into English is as "Republic of Italy," and another one that uses "Italian Republic" but doesn't say that it is preferred (despite being more logical). Considering that the "Republic of Italy" remains the official translation maintained at the United Nations, I see no reason why we should go against the government's preferred translation of the name. Again, and I must emphasize: We are not arguing about the official name of Italy; we are arguing about the preferred translation of the official name of Italy. Lockesdonkey (talk) 02:07, 29 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • I would like to point that the English translation of the state name on all the Italian passports (an official document issued by the foreign minister) is "Italian Republic". Alex2006 (talk) 07:17, 15 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

2 things

Many people write articles or change articles without having idea.Ignorance is in Wikipedia too.What scares me is the acknowldege of controllers. Italy is member of the G7 and the G8 that you removed in the presentation like the word "main" that was before "middle power".Main middle powers can be Germany,Japan (that you even set as great powers),Italy,India ,Brazil or Canada.You can't compare these states to Thailandia or whatelese that is considered middle power.A lot of fantasy in this article.Greetings!!!151.40.7.192 (talk) 07:29, 21 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia english seems to like to hold a "low profile" of Italy presentation (not only in this article but in other ones of international policy).In other states presentations at the beginning it's always cited if they are member of the G7 or the G8 or better both of them.Please cite them in presentation.In this page you set the main official images (the Italian President ,the Prime Minister,the Italian State symbol,the Anthem ,the Flag and so on) of this State and you must respect its ranking.Not respecting this isn't polite and even offensive.151.40.18.30 (talk) 14:07, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]


It seems you forgot another time "main" before than "middle power" (you deleted it) and G7.You even cut other parts like golden reserves and other ones too.Italy compared to other states of its importance or weight in fact has a very small presentation about its today position. We checked other states similar to Italy.They are presented to Great Fanafare when the difference between them isn't so relevant. We remember you that Italy before the WWII was a great power and even now that Wikipedia considers Germany and Japan great powers could claim with Canada that status.Anyway your acting is disruptive vs Italy and not only in this article but in many articles of international policy and economy.May be not too many italian people wrote in Wikipedia english that's why partial articles.It seems you are "playing" in presenting Italy with its image and its Symbols.This isn't a good thing.Anyway when others write in a bad way of your country ,be sure they are afraid of the position or envious of your country,in this case of Italy.In Talk the "Edit request on 3 september" point is just a thing that testifies what we wrote.Even in that moment Italy image was presented in a "low profile".Sorry,but you aren't a trustble site in describing Italy and many other subjects in policy and economy.These are the presentation (at the beginning ) of some states like USA,Japan,Germany,France,UK,Canada,Spain.We could cite others too to show the difference in presenting Italy and these ones.It's really not polite and offensive.Italy has been cited even as the Sick man of Europe and in PIIGS article.We can last with many examples where Italy is presented with a low profile or attacked . As all readers can see just below is considered an article type "C".It talks more than many words. 151.40.18.30 (talk) 17:11, 23 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Italy is the 9th economy on Earth as nominal GDP and the 4th in EU.Italy is member of the G7 (as you reported in the presentation of other states) and it owns the 6th largest net wealth in the world as developed country.It owns the 3rd largest golden reserve in the world too.It's a main middle power.Article in presentation is full of mistakes and lacks in many main things.In the USA article they would have been changed in 3 seconds like in other states articles (in this site many writers with fantasy names of CIA first of all and also similar ones of other countries that care to well present or boost their image(aka PROPAGANDA).Really a "C" article,the level of the same Wikipedia.When nobody answers somebody is guilty.The same fact that you changed the article after our suggests has shown that there was and still there is more than something wrong about it.This article like other ones will be checked and followed costantly for long time at every level. 151.40.108.63 (talk) 11:12, 24 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This translation, if accurate, does not even come close to sourcing "main" middle power: "Italy is a major industrial power that needs to increase awareness of its role. It is a small country and has great potential for design and industrial growth to become one of the nations driving within Europe. Made in Italy is not a fairy tale but reality." Please provide references to historical analyses, geopolitical papers, etc. --NeilN talk to me 20:46, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It lacks in article of ITALY presentation the G7 and the G8

This presentation of Italy is ADEQUATE.It must be cited in the main beginning presentation (like for other states) that Italy is in the G7 and theG8 .THe word MAIN before MIDDLE POWER was deleted with a vandalic act based on personal opinions.The level of the ranking of the State MUST be respected .It seems all invented by editors without respect for others.THE ARTICLE HAS BEEN CHANGED IN ITS PRESENTATION SEVERAL TIMES IN THE LAST DAYS:THIS IS NOT SERIOUS.YOU ARE REALLY PLAYING WITH SYMBOLS OF ITALY.That's no good.Thanks.Glc72 (talk) 08:02, 19 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am Italian yet I fail to understand what you want to convey. Can you provide diffs (and improve your English)? --cyclopiaspeak! 14:39, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I answered in your Talk page)Here in Wikipedia not all are in good feith,correct and polite like you.Thanks).Glc72 (talk) 14:53, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Cyclopia talking about me used the word wacky in his Talk page.I'm waiting for his explaining about it.Glc72 (talk) 16:54, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

While i'm waiting for him (the patience will end),i'm waiting for changes in the article in the correct way too.Good dinner to everybody.Glc72 (talk) 17:09, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there's any consensus for your changes (whatever they are as it's hard to tell with all the tangents and opinions) so you may be waiting for a long time. It may go faster if you present references backing up exactly what you want the article to say, instead of resorting to synthesis --NeilN talk to me 17:29, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I hope I'm wrong, but I am afraid there's little to gain from discussing with this editor. --cyclopiaspeak! 17:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You've to explain me the meaning of that "wacky "referred to my act.Patience of waiting will end.Glc72 (talk) 19:38, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Geez. All this shouting and this to add G7 to the lead? Much more productive to say, "Italy is a member of the G7. Please add that to the list of organizations it belongs to in the intro." or do the edit yourself. --NeilN talk to me 20:01, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don' t like captatio benevolentiae,but i have to thank you because you acted in the correct way towards Italy and Wikipedia.About Cyclopia i'll try to forget that word.Glc72 (talk) 20:14, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you want people to do something, it's much better to be polite rather than shouting. Like: Please fix the reference you just added as it goes nowhere. --NeilN talk to me 20:19, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Was that way very good to say?I was new user.Was he welcoming?I know who are referring to.Who writes in those articles isn't the last wagon of the train here in Wikipedia.Those people are the same that opposed to add the article MAIN ,even if they know i'm right about main and great power.It's a childish behaviour that i like to study in the true sense of the word.Glc72 (talk) 21:27, 20 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request on 24 October 2013

Please change " Italy is also the fourth-largest economy on the European Union, third in the Eurozone and NINTH in the world" to " Italy is also the fourth-largest economy on the European Union, third in the Eurozone and EIGHTH in the world" bue cause the only exact list of countries by GDP is the one provided by the United Nations (in which Italy is classified eighth). The IMF and World Bank provide ESTIMATE lists. Infact all the pages about Italy in Wikipedia agree with this argument, the only one that classifies Italy as the Ninth economic power (instead of EIGHTH) is the english page. 2.226.248.132 (talk) 13:23, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The UN figure is for 2011, whereas the others are for 2012. I am not sure enough to make this change (or to deny it). --Stfg (talk) 19:08, 24 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done The IMF, World Bank and CIA World Factbook all concur on ninth. Unless you want to claim that they are all unreliable sources, then the outdated UN listing isn't superior. — Reatlas (talk) 03:28, 25 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Middle power

Italy is a middle power too as reported in the article Middle power .It' must be written in its presentation.Too much fantasy in the article if you don't write it and use only the term regional power.To be a major regional power in Europe means at least to be a middle power of major importance in the world.Are you an real Encyclopedia ?If you don't know it you must to go to school.151.40.9.139 (talk) 16:51, 22 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Italy is not a great power

Please stop editing the article to make the assertion that Italy is a great power. There are no reliable sources supporting such a claim. Italy is however a regional power and a middle power, there are many reliable sources stating this fact. Antiochus the Great (talk) 21:02, 3 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Italy is a major middle power,not a common one.If italy isn't a major middle poer UK can't be a great power.Italy just for an example has a netional wealh larger than UK.You write this because you fear italy.Your writing testifies it.I relaized that you are the guy that changes always the words major middle and regional power.151.40.16.167 (talk) 06:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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