Talk:FC Bayern Munich

Nicknames

As far as I see, FC Hollywood is an ironic title the FC Bayern had in the past. Even if you may hear it now and then, it is neither a nickname in the strict sense nor is it current. -- Zz (talk) 12:59, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

That was the first name by I which I knew it. It may be pejorative, but it was commonly used in the 70s. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

you don't believe that yourself do you? even now that name is almost never used. every once in a while in the yellow press, not in the football context. you could equally well use "scheiss-bayern" as a nickname, it's used even more frequently than fc hollywood. still noone would consider it a nickname. 92.196.61.124 (talk) 17:51, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Current squad?

I just reffed the latest change in "FIFA Nationality" for Julian Green. So his entry is accurate as of today. But the "Current as of" cite at the top claims the list is current as of yesterday, based on a retieval of a team website retrieved in October 12th. Given how often this subsection would need to be updated to keep it current (i.e. nearly every day.) I think the whole "Current as of" heading should be deleted. It can rarely be considered reliably accurate unless someone checks the team web page daily. What do others think? David in DC (talk) 18:50, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Changing the heading to "First team squad" and keep the as-of date seems reasonable. Mentoz86 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

Somebody has posted in the notes to the main page that Julian Green's nationality should not be changed until he plays for the senior side. But as of today he is no longer eligible to play for Germany. If that is the rules "we" (who is this we?) use, then "we" should say so in the page rather than reference to FIFA eligibility rules. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.240.14 (talk) 23:10, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

First of all he has said he wants to change teams but ut has not been done yet, an application will have to be sent in to FIFA first and that will be done the upcoming weeks. And by "we" it is WP:Footy that always uses the FIFA nationality which is defined as the team the player last played for, and Green most recently played for Germany. It was the exactly same ase for Diego Costa a few weeks ago when he made his debut for Spain. QED237 (talk) 23:22, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

It may have been exactly the same for Diego Costa, I don't know. But WP: Footy only provides the same advice - FIFA eligibility rules. FIFA does not define eligibility as "the team the player last played for." It defines eligibility as the team the player first plays an official match for, up until the player files for his one-time switch, in which eligibility is defined as the team the switch is declared for. And the application is already in. I am okay with waiting until FIFA's approval is official. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.240.14 (talk) 12:20, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

It was announced by the United States Soccer Federation. That implies the paperwork is already filed and simply awaiting approval. Last team he played for is a horrible rule in this case as Green is no longer eligible for the German National team. It's also a horrible precedent to set in the case of players like Gedion Zelalem who will actually lose his German Citizenship if he makes himself eligible for the USMNT. Last National team to play for is perfectly fine when nationality is ambiguous. It is no longer ambiguous here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adnan7631 (talk • contribs) 00:15, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

"Simply awaiting approval" means it isn't official yet. Kingjeff (talk) 02:33, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

It isn't official. When he stops onto the field for the US Mens National Team, that's when we change his nationality, not when he purportedly applies to have his nationality changed. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

What does purported mean, other than being condescending? Do you think the press releases by the USSF and statements made to the press by Green himself are likely to be made up? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.240.14 (talk) 12:21, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

At the time I write this, I had only see one reference, at the subject's article, of a rumour supplied by ESPN that he had provided the change. No other support existed. WP:AGF. Walter Görlitz (talk) 14:58, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Seriously? http://www.ussoccer.com/news/mens-national-team/2014/03/140318-julian-green-applies-for-association-switch.aspx "Bayern Munich forward Julian Green has chosen to represent the United States in international competition and has applied for a one-time change of association to FIFA. The process is expected to be completed in the coming weeks." That's from the USSF itself. And it was available on March 18. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.240.14 (talk) 22:40, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes seriously. If you're not familiar with the concept of time I could explain it to you. And further to the idea that he should now be considered an American, I can't remember when it was, but FIFA has turned down the request to transfer on a handful of occasions. I doubt that this will be one of those though. Regardless, we don't indicate citizenship until the player plays for the side. Walter Görlitz (talk) 22:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Fifa.com is using a US flag. Is that not official? Julian Green - fifa.com--24.253.243.188 (talk) 02:45, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

No. They have used that since he was born there. Until he plays for a senior national men's team it will remain at the birth nation. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:57, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

This is getting into a silly flame war. As I noted above, I am okay with waiting until FIFA makes the change official. But you said "as I write this" and you said that on March 19th, a day AFTER the US Soccer press release. And, I think you are being a little more than cute when you say that FIFA has turned down requests in the past - these have been situations, like Nevin Subotic, in which the player was not technically in compliance with the requirements. In Subotic's case, for instance, he did not have German citizenship when playing in his first official match for the US. There's no issue here, it is a formality. Look, I think it is reasonable to wait until the transfer becomes official, although it is also reasonable not to, because readers of the page are interested in what team the player will be playing for, and do not care about the intricacies of FIFA paperwork. But once his transfer has become official-whether or not he EVER gets capped by the US-he is no longer eligible to play for Germany. Leaving a German flag on Green's profile at that point is deceptive. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.178.240.14 (talk) 13:49, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

So it's official. Gulati says it's done and he is available to play immediately. Can we change it now?--24.253.243.188 (talk) 16:13, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Rivalries section

Bayern-Real Madrid games are not the most played matches in CL any more, Milan-Barcelona has played 15 games, as of this season.78.133.15.67 (talk) 10:10, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 21 March 2014

Page states "FC Bayern is currently second in UEFA's club coefficient rankings", but the list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_coefficient#UEFA_Team_Ranking states that they are third. Sk8r2000 (talk) 18:01, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

A proper reference would be www.uefa.com/memberassociations/uefarankings/club/season=2014/index.html. Walter Görlitz (talk) 18:59, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

It depend on what list you go after. On UEFA coefficient article we use reliable Kassiesa which immediately adds bonus points for reaching next step in competition while the UEFA source hands them out at the end of the season. UEFA are also very slow to make updates and often dont update at all at the beginning of the tournament. QED237 (talk) 23:02, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

I would say the besdt is probably to remove "currently" and change after every season like "after 2012-13 season BM was ranked as second team in UEFA coefficient ranking". Especially sine "currently" imposes this being updated regurlarly on wikipedia and that is not the case. Perhaps it can even take years before it gets updated next time. QED237 (talk) 23:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Done. There hasn't been any objection to Qed237's suggestion in three days, so I have implemented it, after copy editing it a little. If anyone is unhappy with the wording, just let me know and I can change it. — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 03:17, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Ownership needs updating

Allianz recently made a purchase for EUR110. Now the shares are: members 75%, audi/adidas/allianz all 8.33% http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/insurance/10632357/Allianz-takes-8pc-stake-in-Bayern-Munich-football-club.html Utopial (talk) 15:58, 23 March 2014 (UTC)