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Big Brother and the Holding Company's 'Cheap Thrills' is not a compilation album, by our common definition of that term. Also, Elvis Presley is inaccurately referred to as a contemporary of Del Ray. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.80.156.7 (talk) 03:50, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Also lives in London

Lana stated in an interview at the Brit Awards in March that she spends alot of time living at her apartment in London. Can a proper source be found for this and added to the article, as it states she only lives in NYC or LA, but from the lady's own mouth that's incorrect.

London doesn't have 'apartments'. They're a Yankee notion. In London there are flats, pied-a-terres, studio flats, even maisonettes, but not 'apartments'.
an apartment is just another word for a flat (also no-one in London beyond an estate agent would call it a 'pied-a-terre'. This is pointless nitpicking. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon (talk • contribs) 23:14, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image

I think the infobox picture should be changed from this picture to this picture. The latter picture displays the person discussed in the article looking straight-on into the camera with a neutral expression and shows the way Del Rey looks better than the picture that is currently being used. Littlecarmen (talk) 15:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with the proposed change, and I have reverted the change back to the original image placement. This has been discussed quite thoroughly here: Talk:Lana Del Rey/Archive 1#Picture. The image currently in place is a full-frontal shot with the singer smiling. It is a flattering photograph, where as this one is quite unflattering and makes her look bored. This aside, the current image is more recent. Besides the Jaguar image is the infobox image used at List of awards and nominations received by Lana Del Rey. The variety is tasteful, with the superior image in terms of focus, age, and image quality being on the artist's main article. --Thevampireashlee (talk) 07:28, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it was necessarily discussed thoroughly. Five people didn't like the Echo picture, and three did. The picture from the Paris Motor show shows Del Rey looking directly into the camera straight on without bending her neck, laughing (distorting her face), and making her look bloated and not at all what she usually looks like. The lights also illuminate only half of her face. Whether she looks pretty or not is completely up to personal opinion (obviously, several people in the previous discussion had different opinions on that). I don't think how recent the picture is plays a role here since the Echo picture was taken only one month after the Paris Motor Show picture, she didn't change her appearance in that time whatsoever. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Firstly, album artwork is not fair use in an article about the artist, so it has been reverted. Secondly, the purpose of an encyclopedia article is not to promote the subject. --Michig (talk) 05:34, 18 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 21 June 2014

"Lana Del Ray" should be changed to "Lana Del Rey" Sammmiex (talk) 13:18, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done You haven't specified what exactly you want changed where. "Lana Del Ray" is mentioned several times in the article. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:24, 21 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox picture

File:1337700277lanadelrey.jpg
Picture #2

How would we feel about using this picture for the infobox? It was taken less than a week ago, and personally I just think it is a more flattering picture of her than the one currently being used. WikiRedactor (talk) 16:25, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

It was actually taken in November 2013 at the party for her Nylon Magazine cover, but yes, I think we should use it. Littlecarmen (talk) 19:21, 28 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: Then in that case it would appear as though there is an issue with the licensing; a Commons user uploaded this image with the description "Lana Del Rey at at Sunset Marquis Hotel in 2014" with the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 Unported license, which would appear to be false information. My second-favorite image on Commons was Picture #2, which I still think is a better angle of Lana than the current image. What do you think of it? WikiRedactor (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I like it but I feel like her laugh may be distorting her face a bit too much. I like this picture (or maybe this cropped version) quite a bit. She looks beautiful and happy, and it shows her face well. Littlecarmen (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: That's a good point, I like both of your suggestions and would be happy with either one! WikiRedactor (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiRedactor: Great! What about the cropped version? I think it would be better for an infobox. Littlecarmen (talk) 21:15, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: Sounds like a good idea to me! WikiRedactor (talk) 21:16, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@WikiRedactor: Okay, I have changed it! Littlecarmen (talk) 21:25, 29 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen:, @WikiRedactor:, I don't think that's a good picture to use honestly. There's more recent pictures that are of better quality, I believe that the picture previously used in the infobox was better. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 00:11, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Jjj1238:, I don't think the picture that was used before is good at all, her face is distorted from laughing, it doesn't show her face directly from the front, and the lighting is odd. I think this picture gives the reader a better idea of what Del Rey's face looks like. The picture is also only two years old and the only thing that has changed about her appearance is her hair colour. Littlecarmen (talk) 11:21, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Littlecarmen: I'm not sure what image you're talking about but I was talking about "File:Lana Del Ray at the Echo music award 2013.jpg". That picture clearly shows her face, is of good quality, is recent, and isn't distorted. The image currently being used is of bad quality and old. Two other images better for the infobox than the one being used currently would be "File:Lana Del Rey Releases Music Video For New Track 'Burning Desire'6crop.jpg" and "file:Lana Del Rey Cannes 2012.jpg". Both of which were previously used and at least deserve a spot somewhere in the article. { [ ( jjj 1238 ) ] } 04:54, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@Jjj1238: That Echo picture is what I was talking about. Her face looks bloated and, since it is only lit from one side, looks wonky. The quality of the picture we are currently using is good enough to show what Del Rey's face looks like and, as I said, nothing about her appearance, except for her hair colour, has changed since March of 2012 so I don't think it's a problem the picture isn't extremely recent. The Echo picture is over one year old, so it really isn't that recent either. With "distorted", I mean that her facial expression is exagerrated by the dramatic lighting, making a nice smile look bad. I also like the Cannes picture, I wouldn't mind it being included somewhere in the article, maybe in the personal life section? I don't really like the picture from the F-Type unveiling, she looks so miserable and stiff. I don't think it should be used in the infobox, but it could be included somewhere else appropriate. Littlecarmen (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Lana Del Rey as a Mezzo Soprano rather than Contralto

This article states, under the artistry section, that "Del Rey possesses an expansive contralto vocal range". It also includes a sound excerpt from 'Million Dollar Man', stating that "this demonstrates Del Rey's contralto range".

I think a general consensus has been reached that Lana Del Rey is a mezzo soprano, especially following the release of further work. Her album 'Ultraviolence' is generally higher and shows more of her upper register. The site 'Diva Devotee' lists Lana Del Rey as a mezzo soprano: http://www.divadevotee.com/2012/01/lana-del-rey-vocal-profile-range-3.html

The quote that follows in the article, saying that Del Rey intentionally lowered her voice to be taken seriously, suggests that this is not the range she is naturally comfortable in and seems in opposition to the statement that she is a contralto.

However, I am aware that the article does not actually say she is a contralto, rather that she has a contralto range. This does not seem accurate either, because her range (reaching to approximately C6) is atypical of a contralto.

I propose that the article is amended to suggest more clearly that she generally sings in a contralto range but her natural tessitura is higher than a typical contralto.

Lilahcub (talk) 06:45, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Got engaged to Francesco Carrozzini (VOGUE magazine editor's son)

http://news.mtv.it/gossip/lana-del-rey-con-il-nuovo-fidanzato-italiano-a-portofino-scopri-chi-e-foto/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iltex74 (talk • contribs) 13:14, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That article doesn't mention anything about engagement, only about him being her new boyfriend. I'm not sure we should add that either, though, since they are really just rumours and gossip. She confirmed her relationship with Barrie O'Neill herself, we should probably just wait until she does the same with this guy. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"a poem called Howl"

Hi, thanks all for this very informative page about a singer/songwriter with whom I've only recently become familiar but who is rapidly winning me over! One niggling criticism: the poem Howl is very famous as is Allen Ginsberg. It's a little like saying, "a song called Help by the Beatles", no? Perhaps upon the next, probably more substantive edit, this might be rectified, too? Please say 'the poem "Howl" by Allen Ginsberg' Sanderatlarge (talk) 23:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, I've changed it. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Artistry Section

In the Musical Style part, does the first sentence (the second half of it) really need 7 references? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:4:1500:C90:2148:ECC1:F792:4060 (talk) 15:16, 10 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cult Leader

The interview that's available online that references the cult leader says she 'considered joining' the cult, not that she was part of it. Also since Lana is a character and not Lizzie herself, can we also consider this part of the 'mythology' of Lana (since beyond naming a 'cult' there's no further back up for it, ie. name of cult, leader, people, etc) and make it less of a concrete fact? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sarcastathon (talk • contribs) 23:21, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I have the magazine that is used as a source for that sentence. Here is her statement in German:

"Ich gehörte mal zu einer Underground-Szene, die von einem Guru beherrscht wurde. Der umgab sich mit jungen Mädchen und hatte eine Wahnsinnsausstrahlung, der auch ich mich nicht entziehen konnte. Ich war also bei dieser, ich nenne es mal Sekte, weil ich mich nach Liebe unde Geborgenheit sehnte. Aber dann stellte ich irgendwann fest, dass dieser Guru kein guter, sondern ein böser Mensch ist. Er fand, dass man Leute erst brechen muss, um sie wieder aufzubauen. Am Ende stieg ich aus."

And here is my translation:

"I used to belong to this underground scene that was ruled by a guru. He surrounded himself with young girls and had an amazing presence even I couldn’t resist. So I was in this, let me call it a cult, because I longed for love and security. But someday I realised that this guru wasn’t a good, but a bad, person. He felt like you needed to break people down to build them back up. At the end I got out."

How do you know that "Lana Del Rey" is a character and this story is fictional? She says it like it really happened to her so that's how we need to write it. Littlecarmen (talk) 13:43, 12 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
She was never in a cult. That's clearly defined in the New York Times source. Which I would find more credible. Which source do you think people are going to read? The one in English or the one in German? It says: "The lyrics also mention a “cult leader,” and Ms. Del Rey said the song looked back to a time soon after she moved to New York City, when she considered following a guru who “believed in breaking you down to build you back up again" http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/15/arts/music/lana-del-rey-still-stirs-things-up-with-ultraviolence.html?_r=1 Cheers!2601:4:1500:C90:F8CF:BCB5:9098:73D4 (talk) 02:58, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In the German interview, she very clearly says she did belong to an "underground scene" which she called a cult. The German interview directly quotes her while the New York Times article paraphrased whatever she told them. Both sources are credible. They both conducted interviews with her. I actually find the German interview more important as a source since she is directly quoted. This should not be ignored just because The New York Times is more well-known than Grazia. Littlecarmen (talk) 09:11, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Wrong, New York Times reporter Jon Pareles conducted an interview with her himself.
https://www.facebook.com/lanadelrey?filter=3
http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/27/popcast-lana-del-rey-downcast-superstar/
http://tribune.com.pk/story/722588/lana-del-reys-love-for-death/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/13/lana-del-rey-wish-dead_n_5491375.html
On her facebook page, she refers to his article as being the truth. Has she made any statement that the quotes in Grazia are the truth? I have removed the quote until sources are confirmed one way or another. Dkspartan1 (talk) 17:21, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know he conducted an interview. I never said he didn't. I was just saying that her Grazia statement is a direct quote and the NYT paraphrased whatever she said in the interview. Unless Del Rey says otherwise, every statement of hers in every interview must be seen as the truth. Littlecarmen (talk) 17:33, 17 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Real age

In the new Rolling Stone article, it's written that she is 29 years old (not 28) and is often reported to be a year younger. Is this finally a reputable source that can be used to back up the correct information? See 3rd paragraph in image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bs03DStIAAAOV7z.jpg 84.30.93.169 (talk) 12:59, 18 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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