Talk:Cilla Black

Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 20:10, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

TV career

Over 30 years of TV is covered in little more than a couple of short paragraphs, I've added the 'expand' tag One Night In Hackney 14:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

The BBC Genome project has more details of her early career including appearances on Women's Hour and Saturday Club on radio - http://genome.ch.bbc.co.uk/search/0/20?q=Cilla&adv=1&yt=1968&yf=1965&media=tv&order=asc

Preposterous claims

"It's particularly worthy to note that Cilla had two consecutive #1 hits in 1964, arguably the most competitive year ever in UK pop history when Beatlemania ruled the waves and to make the Top 40 meant you had to be selling 100,000 records a day!!"

100,000 records a day to reach the top 40? Come on.....

This is actually not preposterous but a widly published fact. Link to BBC reference provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.2.129.64 (talk) 08:14, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

The BBC may have said it but it's still utter rubbish. For the claim to be true, ALL Top 20 hits would have sold over 700,000 units every week throughout the decade. In reality, between 1960 and 1970, only 14 singles managed to sell over 1 million units in the UK in total (i.e. after the sales across many weeks had been added together). http://www.theofficialcharts.com/stats-million_sellers.php

The BBC claim is highly misleading so I've removed the offending paragraph from the main article. David T Tokyo (talk) 04:01, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Films

She appeared and starred in a number of films in the 60's and 70' which are not mentioned at all. I remember seeing one which was set during the 70's which was seminal, where she was a girlfriend of a man who worked in a power station who grew magic mushrooms and whos aim was to make everybody happy. They end up taking the mushrooms and stopping the power for the whole city the station supplies. I think the film was called Work Is A Four-Letter Word around 1968. Her's a link. http://www.thevideobeat.com/store/beatnik-hippie-drug-movies/work-four-letter-word-1968.html scope_creep 00:21, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Cilla Black album cover.jpg

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Death?!

What utter twat said that she died on June 3rd 2008?!?!?! --Mikey-is-lost (talk) 22:02, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Civility please! I reverted the IP's edits and asked for sources. Enviroboy^Talk_Cs 22:07, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Albums

The article claims that in the 70s her albums continued to sell well. Oh really? None of them actually made the charts - so what do you define as selling well?--Tuzapicabit (talk) 01:07, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

While I acknowledge that making the charts is the ultimate recognition of an album selling well, Cilla's albums did continue to sell well. She received Silver discs for albums such as "Day By Day" and "Especially For You" and her Greatest Hits album in the 1980s made the Top 20. Her last 2 albums "Through The Years" and "Beginnings" made the top 100. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.245.73.198 (talk) 00:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Progress

Well, we've had a lot of trouble with this article lately from one editor who doesn't apparently seem to understand how things should work here, and is now blocked. Apologies to those who have valiantly attempted to deal with this, but I have retrenched the article to a state from which it can develop positively. First, there was a lot of unsourced material which could have reasonably been sourced with a little effort, but was deleted without discussion; our guideline WP:SOFIXIT springs to mind here. Cilla Black's career is well-documented and the information is out there. I will flag this at the Music Wikiproject to see if anyone else is interested in working on it. Meanwhile, I think we've had enough disruption from those who can only be abusive and sneering, and at the first sign of any repetition of that attitude here, I will semi-protect this article so that committed editors may improve it without such disruption. for myself, lest I be accused of being "obsessive", my edits to this article have been few, whereas those of the IP have been many. Rodhullandemu 00:22, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Rod (and your emu!). David T Tokyo (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

The top selling single of all time by a British female artist

This particular claim was at the centre of the recent edit war. I've taken it out again because the reference that is there to support it completely fails to mention it; so there is no proof that the claim is correct.

Before I removed the claim and link for the first time I did a bit of digging around to see if I could find a suitable reference to support the claim. I didn't manage to and therefore took it out. However, I did find myself wondering exactly what IS being claimed.

Is it

a) That, prior to Alexandra Burke, Cilla Black held the record for the top selling single of all time by a British female artist in Britain? The wording would tend to support this; "...In Britain, where it remained the top selling single of all time by a British female artist". If so, the claim is wrong - there are numerous indications that Julie Covington's 1977 cover of "Don't Cry For Me, Argentina" was a much bigger seller (993,000 v 800,000).

b) That, prior to Alexandra Burke, Cilla Black held the record for the top selling single of all time by a British female artist on a worldwide basis? The Cilla Black single went on to sell another 1 million copies internationally. The Alexandra Burke article only mentions UK sales. There is no reference as to how many copies of the Julie Covington single were sold internationally. So, this claim might be true - but for it to be included here, proof is still required.

The All Music Guide (who usually like to reference sales records) say this: "it became the biggest selling single by a female artist in the history of popular music in England". Note the past tense - there's no claim that this is still the case. Note also the lack of reference to being a British singer, the record was for any female singer, irrespective of nationality.

Until such time as someone can provide firm evidence to support b) I suggest we go with the AMG quote. It was a remarkable achievement and therefore worthy of mention David T Tokyo (talk) 07:09, 12 April 2009 (UTC)

Short-term protection

There is a tendentious editor who persists in deleting huge tracts of this article due to a misunderstanding of an opinion by User:Jimbo Wales which I cite on my userpage; he seems to be taking this personally since I pointed out two weeks ago that his edits were simply not supported by the source he was citing. Since this edit-warring is inimical to our purpose of providing free knowledge to the world in perpetuity, I have, for a short time, protected this article to prevent further misinterpretations of both policy and guidelines by this editor, given that he used at least two IP addresses and has claimed to have block-evaded to the tune of 300 vandalistic edits. Whereas I haven't had any significant content-based input into this article previously, merely applying our policies and guidelines, it is clear that until this is resolved, there will be problems with this editor. Accordingly, I have protected this article for three days to avoid wholesale unnecessary deletions of content which could be sourced by a committed editor, set aside time on Monday for research, and Tuesday for editing, given my other commitments here. Apologies to good-faith editors if this causes any inconvenience, but urgent edits may be addressed in the meantime by using the {{editsemiprotected}} template. This, by the way, is not intended to be an example of WP:OWN; it is an informal, but final, way of executing dispute resolution by applying WP:IAR, mostly because life's too short and brutal to do anything else here. Rodhullandemu 01:21, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Alas, rodhullandemu has misunderstood the purpose of wiki and the rules required for editing articles. He claims that it is OK to make statements in articles that are unsourced, unreferenced and unreliable, simply because he believes that they 'could' be easily sourced or referenced. At first he agreed that the edits I made were indeed correct as they were unsourced. He wrote as much on my talk page. But having done that and realised he had lost the battle, he abused the powers he has been given as an administrator to delete my talk page and remove his comments from all history. Having done that, and in the safety that his tracks were covered, he then reversed my edits and locked the page. He never makes any attempt to improve articles by providing sources for what is unsourced. He just deletes, blocks and locks. I suppose if you worship a whizened comedian who spent his career attacking people physically with his hand stuffed up the rectum of a toy bird, then you're not likely to have much of a life. Clearly he needs help. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.201.16.217 (talk) 11:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Unprotection

I give up; I'm no longer watchlisting this page. Requests for protection may be referred here and reports of vandalism here. Rodhullandemu 12:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Child that died

i am just watching cilla black on the piers morgan show (i'm on my laptop, too, so not watching it properly, volume is a bit low, too) and she has just told how she lost her daughter, ellen (may have been helen), at birth. i didn't hear all what was said before, something about going to the cinema with bobby, and feeling a pain, blaming him for making her rush lunch and her thinking it was indigestion. i then looked up when there was a pause and noticed she was tearful. she said how it was horrible listening to the two woman in her ward, talking about their babies, when she didn't have one. there is no mention of this here in the article, and i just wondered if it was mentioned anywhere else on the net, so it could be referenced and put in here. is it worth putting it in? 77.97.110.57 (talk) 21:41, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

I added the little reference to it in the Personal Life section. However, I think that section needs alot of expansion Alex250P (talk) 21:57, 10 October 2009 (UTC)