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Discussion is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy)#Guideline_or_Policy_proposals — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.181.82.216 (talk) 14:44, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Here are my thoughts on the matter of suppressing information found in RS which might endanger the lives, in this case, of terrorist captives.

There is a hatted the discussion on Jimbo's talk page. Note that I haven't followed this matter closely, and I haven't even read that thread...yet, because I want to develop some of my thoughts without any influence from such discussions. My thoughts have to do with the concept of "risk/degree of harm" and how notability/publicity is a big factor.

I leave open as a legitimate possibility that, to cause less harm, we sometimes may need to (temporarily) ignore RS and suppress the information here. We are not obligated to immediately use any or all RS which exist, only to use them when we finally do write about a subject. If we choose to temporarily ignore a subject, then we can keep the RS on our own PCs at home. The issue is that most RS related to current events are of a temporary, less notable, nature. They are newspaper and magazine articles. Print media are already gone tomorrow, but on the internet they may remain visible for a short while, and then are archived, often behind a paywall, so many of them do disappear, but not all of them. Those forms of RS coverage have limited notability and thus a limited potential for causing harm.

If we accept that Wikipedia likely has the largest degree of notability on the internet, and that by enshrining these otherwise temporary RS into very notable and high profile articles here, we are greatly increasing the degree of risk/harm, then we are justified in temporarily suppressing coverage of a story which can increase the risk of great harm to individuals.

Wikipedia magnifies and amplifies the influence of RS, and we share the responsibility for consequences. Our articles can increase the likelihood of individuals being used as hostages, or being moved to the front of the line of hostages to next be executed. Their notability and value to kidnappers and terrorists was greatly increased by Wikipedia, and we actually facilitated and hastened their demise! It's a rather sobering thought, and should cause us to take our job seriously. We must consider BLP issues and potential for harm each time we are dealing with such matters.

These principles need to be encoded into policy, likely as an addition to WP:BLP. It needs to be explicit, and not hidden away. For the record, avoiding harm was rejected, including as part of BLP. It's now just an essay. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:10, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Because this issue lies at the crossroads of WP:BLP, WP:RECENTISM, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:CRIME, and possibly other guidelines and policies, it needs its own name. -- Brangifer (talk) 16:06, 9 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Pearlasia Gamboa

Hi BR. You recently reverted my revert of an IP's re-add of a load of material on Pearlasia. That was a mouthful. Basically, the Pearlasia article was created by someone who's been using WP to promote himself and to attack this woman, with whom he's having legal troubles. I'd reviewed the Pearlasia article and trimmed a lot of material that was (a) not relevant or (b) not sourced. His latest IP added it back, so I reverted. Compare my version here with the version you reverted to.

So I've reverted. Happy to go into further detail on the Talk page if you'd like. Bromley86 (talk) 17:49, 8 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bromley86, it concerns me when I see such large scale deletions of properly sourced material. At first glance it looks like vandalism, and when I check some of the individual edits, it still smacks of whitewashing. There might be some instances which are borderline, but instead of fixing them, you just deleted it all. That doesn't build the encyclopedia, but breaks it down. Now there is much less content, and she appears to be a misunderstood victim, instead of the brilliant and brazen master criminal she is.
I see you have also engaged in such deletions regarding her elsewhere. I can't see any policy based reason for such mass deletions, when fixing it would be better. When the wording of the content doesn't match the source very well, we don't delete the source, we reword the content. Try that approach instead. Her biography, if properly written, will always look like an attack piece, and it's her actions which are the cause of that situation. We don't allow whitewashing here. Her actions aren't "controversial", they are criminal. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:00, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd agree with you, if there had been any removal of properly sourced material, but that didn't happen. This is a BLP and the original article was a rambling attack piece. I reviewed each section and cut it down to supported points that related to her, rather than the accusations by association that were the bulk of the article (most of the reliable sources used referred to her husband and not Gamboa). This was no quick blanking; I took over a week to do it and spent a long time reviewing the sources and looking for new ones.
Again, the deletions regarding her elsewhere are similarly removal of rambling attacks.
I'd contend that fixing the article, and associated entries, is precisely what I did do. As I said, happy to talk about any elements that you think should be added back in, but you will need to review the sources cited in the original article, because they frequently do not support the points that they're meant to. She's no angel and I'm not whitewashing; everything I retained is negative (connection to a micronation used for criminal activities, misrepresenting herself as a bank, being sued by the SEC, use of aliases).
If you want to look into it further, you should know that the WP page, and the vast majority of it's original content, was created by the same person who was responsible for the rambling puff piece on Eric Diesel, which is how I found the Pearlasia article. Bromley86 (talk) 09:52, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

re. Generation Rescue

This was nothing to do with OTRS. Just thought I'd let you know that I was acting in my own personal capacity here. I could not really find a link, but following off-wiki discussion, there appears to be a bit more of a link between him and the organisation. Please stop assuming this is in response to OTRS, especially following my post on the talk page saying OTRS's involvement with this ended with the posting of the draft - it's up to them if they wish to engage with further dialogue now. --Mdann52talk to me! 13:21, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ahhh! Thanks for the explanation. I now see your comment made four minutes before your deletion.
I still don't see any BLP issue because that content is properly sourced. Handley's comment very strongly connects Wakefield with GR and the anti-vax community, and Wakefield is a frequent speaker at their events, as well as GR being one of his strongest supporters. They probably wouldn't exist anymore if not for Wakefield's original fraud, and his continued promotion of it. They are a synergistic force: he feeds them and they give him a voice, and it's all costing children their lives and creating a resurgence of epidemics. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:48, 9 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Baby haters

Actually, I went a bit over the top there, especially about hating babies, but yes, I'm thinking about a response comparing Ayurveda to astrology. Both are ancient and now considered PS. This topic just makes my blood boil, with not only the fringe POV pushing, but the nationalist crap as well, so I gotta cool down a bit. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Information for Autism Research Institute

Hello, I saw that you had begun work on the Autism Research Institute article, reworking information there to pertain to the organization rather than to its defunct initiative, DAN! As I've disclosed on that article's talk page, I work for ARI and I'd like to help editors such as yourself add more material to explain what ARI is and does. Knowing that it is not best for me to make any edits myself, I've provided a few pieces of information at Talk:Autism Research Institute about ARI that could be added, along with links to third-party references for them. Would you be able to look and see if any are appropriate to add? Thank you, Difulton (talk) 19:24, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the info. I'll get on it later. -- Brangifer (talk) 19:53, January 12, 2015‎ (UTC)

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SBD

Hi BullRangifer, I don't think we've ever crossed paths before, but I've been working around a WP:MEDICINE topic in recent months, and your "importance of collaborative editing" essay caught my attention—as a matter of fact, I spent several weeks last year involved in a discussion where I don't think this was followed at all.

Quick background: the article was South Beach Diet, and early last year I agreed to work as a consultant to the company responsible for the brand to fix what was then a terrible article. I care a lot about following WP:COI responsibly, so I have limited myself to the Talk page only. Unfortunately, only a few editors got involved, and the most active editor seemed determined to make the page as unfavorable to the diet as possible. It became so frustrating that I stepped away from the issue in late 2014.

However, I remain concerned that the article is very POV, with negatives cherry-picked from sources that are overall far more balanced, and I'm struggling to determine what to do next. I left a last round of suggestions when I withdrew from the conversation; if you'd be willing to take a look and offer your opinion, to me or on that page, I'd be most grateful. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 19:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I take it you're referring to me as the editor "determined to make the page as unfavorable to the diet as possible". I disagree with tht and some of you other characterisations here - this looks like a non-neutral notification and therefore risks being canvassing, no? Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 20:10, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, Alexbrn. I know WP:CANVASS well, and this is not it. Moreover, I posted a friendly message with you earlier today, but you replied here, instead. Yes, I have the impression that your interest in this topic has more to do with opposing me than writing a neutral SBD article. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 20:16, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Well you're wrong. On canvassing, you're aware that inappropriate campaigning is defined as "an attempt to sway the person reading the message, conveyed through the use of tone, wording, or intent". In light of that, is there anything you'd like to change about your notification here? (BTW, in case you're wondering, I watch this Talk page, and am not following you around). Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 20:28, 16 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Alexbrn, there is so much discussion between the two of us on that Talk page that I felt a summary was useful. I don't think the above rises to the level of "campaigning" but I concede it is written from my viewpoint. On the other hand, my comments have been limited, open, and non-partisan in forum. How about I simply restate the above as follows: a long-running dispute on this article has attracted few voices and would benefit from the views of other editors. Meantime, BullRangifer, I apologize for the way this has gone here so far. I still hope you'll take a look at the article and some of the recent discussion. WWB Too (Talk · COI) 04:16, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In fact while the typing has mostly fallen to me, at least two other (experienced medical) editors have opined on this topic and there's been an RfC. You're not getting any agreement from any other editor about the supposedly undue negativity of this article, so trying to present it as primarily a dispute between two people rather misses the reality of the consensus: don't shoot the messenger. If you really want more voices, why not raise this at WT:MED rather than approaching individual editors? (Add: Actually, I forgot: this has already been to two noticeboards, including WT:MED; doing it again might look a bit WP:STICKy) Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 09:07, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll keep my eyes on it. It's part of the "You have 5,564 pages ... (excluding talk pages)." on my watchlist. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:25, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ha, fair. I'll likely be posting something to the SBD Talk page in the next week, so please do give it a look if you have the chance. Best, WWB Too (Talk · COI) 04:42, 17 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Sears post

I was with you until the last paragraph. Probably not helpful with keeping things focused on content and emphasizing NPOV. --NeilN talk to me 04:58, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're right, and I have redacted some of it. Thanks. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:47, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes? An admin disagrees with you, and without a clear policy breach, what's the point of templating a regular other than harassment? Again, only a newbie who doesn't know me, my history here, or the proper interpretation of BLP would do this. We are discussing this. That's the way forward. -- Brangifer (talk) 06:39, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Get used to this (here and on the talk page). --NeilN talk to me 06:42, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
LMAO! Are we soon going to hear the whistling sound of a boomerang? -- Brangifer (talk) 06:46, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Doubt it. As I said on the talk page, the editor has a unique interpretation of BLP but it's not actively harming any articles. Based on past experience, you just need to be aware that some of their statements are not rooted in policy (e.g., their definition of WP:BLPGOSSIP). However, they are genuinely interested in improving BLPs. --NeilN talk to me 06:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
BTW, welcome to the club! --NeilN talk to me 07:04, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I can appreciate BLP concerns for Sears and others, but his gross accusations which violate BLP must stop. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The AC/DS templates are not an indication of wrong doing, but you are now aware of the fact that they are in existence. Cheers. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:16, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm well aware of that. Most of the articles I edit are under them, so that's my default mode of editing. I am VERY precise in my wording and selection of sources. If you ever have any doubts, just ask me and I'll have an explanation, or even apology. -- Brangifer (talk) 07:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Then please respond to my comments on the talk page with a little less bluster considering Sears supports the MMR vaccination on the normal schedule. The child was not solely under Sears' care and while the child did contract it, the vaccination requires parental consent at minimum. Sears' may have different beliefs, but he is not anti-vaccine nor does he bear responsibility for a small outbreak. Less than a dozen cases is not an epidemic. The current Ebola outbreak is an epidemic. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 07:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And note - I think we got off to a bad start. I mean no ill and support your Med fringe cleanup, but I thought reverting an oversighter was bad and the material does have issues which I hope you can verify and examine. I don't need an apology or anything from you - colleagues don't let small miscommunications come between them. ^-^ ChrisGualtieri (talk) 08:07, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
We follow the sources here. He denies being anti-vax, and we document that. Pretty much all other sources treat him as, and call him, anti-vax, because his writings and actions tend in that direction. We document what they say. That's our job. The sources called the earlier outbreak an epidemic, and the current one is over 100 cases and growing. Fortunately he's not as bad as Wolfson. He has also associated with Andrew Wakefield. See the image at the bottom of this page (Seth Mnookin, a RS per WP:PARITY) which I haven't used. The comments are enlightening, but obviously we can't use them, unless Sears himself made a comment. -- Brangifer (talk) 08:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He certainly has made statements and I am pretty sure calling him anti-vax when his writings and statements are not anti-vax represents an issue. Sears knows his own position better than I, but reading his work and statements shows him to be supporting vax. Verifiability and veracity. Most media twists and ignores facts because it sells. Do not blindly follow such issues because there is always another side and angle. I don't trust the media much - but I have an extensive history and list of reasons to not trust sensational things about people. Why? Most of it, is false. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:03, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And this another issue - pitting your own personal opinions against what reliable sources and experts say. --NeilN talk to me 14:23, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
If they are reliable sources than they would exhibit veracity. Jimbo Wales has repeatedly asserted that verifiability and veracity are important - reliability of a source is measured in both these aspects. There is no reliability without veracity. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Chris, you are violating our most important policy, NPOV, by not staying neutral in relation to the sources. You are also engaged in OR by substituting your own opinion when multiple experts and authorities have called Sears out in various ways, including asserting that his claims to not being anti-vax ring very hollow. Follow the sources. That is your duty.
At the end of the day it matters not whether he is or is not anti-vax in our opinion. If RS say he is anti-vax, we must include that. If there is serious doubt among RS as to whether he is or is not, then we include the debate, but with attribution. Since there is no doubt among RS that he's anti-vax, we state it in Wikipedia's voice and include the sources. -- Brangifer (talk) 15:43, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Repeating your claim does not make it stronger. You may mean well, but your edits are contested by several editors and they represent a BLP issue. Original research applies to article content, not checking other sources or Sears actual statements and citing them for an argument. Any neutral debate would include sources and information on Sears' support a range of vaccine. This is a biography and your reinsertion of the content removed by FloNight was a problem for reasons which I explained. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 15:54, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this. Yup. --NeilN talk to me 19:29, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. His credibility? Zero. It's not a very wikipedian thing for him to do, and rather cowardly. While I'm not surprised, I'm disappointed. This shows a negative learning curve, so dealing directly with him is like dealing with trolls -- it's largely wasted time. -- Brangifer (talk) 19:37, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI: User_talk:FloNight#Robert_Sears_.28physician.29 --NeilN talk to me 19:36, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Your talk comments to the subject of an article

Hello BullRangifer,

I suggest that you re-read the entire Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons policy which discussed that BLP need to be written in conservative manner. While, it can be appropriate to have criticism in an article, when that is all the article is, then something is wrong.

I've copied below the talk page comments that you left for a subject of article. In several ways the comments are rude and not conducive to having a friendly working relationship with the subject of an article. The subjects of articles need to be approached with kindness, and not given lectures based on your own opinion of their work. The subject of the article should be encouraged to discuss the problems that they see with the article. They are often the best people to point out errors, suggest reliable sources, and release images with a free licence for use on Wikipedia and Commons. Most subjects of an article are newbies when they edit their own article, so should be approached with offers of assistance rather than given harshly worded warning that threaten blocks, or appears to discourage their participation.

The Robert Sears (physician) article is under two Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions, BLP and Complementary and Alternative Medicine.

I strongly encourage you to read the Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions#Guidance for editors. And if you are too emotionally invested in this topic area to follow the guidelines, as seems to be the case from the comments you made to the subject, then I suggest that you refrain from editing the article and engaging the communication with the subject of the article. Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 19:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Sears, you have been warned above that because of your WP:Conflict of interest (read that page!!!), you must be very careful about trying to edit the article. What you did is the kind of thing which can get you blocked, so don't do it again. Whitewash attempts, if discovered by a journalist, may end up as content in the article. You wouldn't want that to happen.
The content is properly sourced and accurately reproduces the spirit and content of the sources. If you don't want such things being documented, then don't do them. There is no possibility of removing the article, locking it down, or only allowing you or any of your representatives or fans from turning it into a sales brochure. (If it gets locked, it will be to prevent you from editing it.) Our NPOV policy requires that significant sides of a controversy and negative POV are included if they are found in reliable sources. More content will be added, including your response to Dr. Lipson.
While editors obviously have their own POV and thoughts, nobody hates you. That is not what drives our editing. Your actions and POV are controversial and well-documented, and that's what we do here. We tell the whole story, without whitewashing. We're documenting your life, career, and fate. If you act wisely and adopt scientifically defensible POV, you will no doubt fare better. We cannot control what is written about you in the real world, but we must document it, the good and the bad.
You should read this essay: WP:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. You have made yourself a notable person, and are profiting from it. That notability comes with a price. In your case it may be a bitter pill to swallow. -- Brangifer (talk) 04:51, 4 February 2015 (UTC)"[reply]

I will admit that my comment was a bit bitey, but other admins seemed to find them good instruction, except for a sentence which I redacted (and which the subject will likely never read. Since they claim to be religious, I was appealing to their religious conscience, but that was a bit much.) I'll be more careful in my communication with them in the future.

You hold and defend a fringe position in this matter, as well as a rather unique and controversial interpretation of BLP, so you too should be careful and not be so intimidating. As an admin you should not throw your weight around in defense of fringe positions and odd interpretations of BLP. There are many actors on both sides, so don't pick on one side. We're all discussing things and that's how it should be. Let's just keep it civil and we can all learn. That doesn't mean it will always be pleasant, but we're all adults here. -- Brangifer (talk) 19:38, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BullRangifer, I appreciate you redacting the comment. Perhaps, you should put your self up for editor review to get the opinion of impartial people who are knowledgeable about BLP and not too invested in alternative medicine topics. It is easy to get tunnel vision when you hear the comments of people who frequently pop up in the same discussions.
It's true that this is not my first rodeo. :-) I'm pretty experienced with working with BLP, being an oversighter and answering OTRS tickets, and understand dispute resolution from being on ArbCom. In this case, I answered a BLP/N alert from someone who I know has a good understanding of BLP policy and attempted to write the article so that it give a balanced view of his life work and not be a coatrack article that just criticizes him. We both were acting as editors and not in our capacity of someone with advanced permissions. My edits are free to changed and discussed like any other editor. As you and other clearly did! I make the distinction clear when I do suppressions or rev/del. So don't be intimidated by my status in this discussion. But I ask you to re-think your approach to editing which seems rooted in promoting a specific ideology. It can blind you to hearing the objections from neutral people. I say this as some whose read hundreds, if not thousands, of post from people in disputes on all different kinds of topics. I'll move more detailed discussion about the BLP concerns to his article talk page. Happy editing! Sydney Poore/FloNight♥♥♥♥ 20:11, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you Sydney. I do appreciate your comments and concern and am really listening. You make some good points. You'll also notice that my edits are more reserved, now that others are involved. The community is waking up to this issue and more editors makes for more input and eyes on the situation. That's good.
I'm also backing away from Chris as it's wasted effort. (Still no apology from him for his libelous attacks...)
I have followed your illustrious career here for many years and do respect your experience. We may differ in some ways, but we have the same basic goals about building this great encyclopedia. Thanks again. (BTW, congrats on your role at Cochrane. That's great!) -- Brangifer (talk) 20:28, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DTs

Rangi I have no personal issue with you at all - I am strict in the BLP matter, but I have loose ties to the WMF through the Wikipedia Library and I've not submitted my identity and oppose it because I got an e-mail which arrived to my true-email after an enwiki dispute. And to be clear - last time things got heated I got the threat - not by anyone here in this matter, but it was for defending a controversial figure whom I personally disagreed with. I'll sometimes get nods to the Sopranos, but an e-mail containing your identity is a sickening blow. To be clear - I don't know about vaccines, it is not my job - but I've disagreed with many a person over principals and find allies in all sufficiently long conversations. I do not agree with Sears' stance, but I don't jump on bandwagons. I've met everyone from US Senators to magicians and tried to deal with issues they've raised, I strive for balance in all things. I reacted to the issues because there was a problem and while it may not be a popular - the nature was good and I prefer slowness and moderation over piling criticism up. Though I'm serious, I'm out of the article before I wind up on Stormfront. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have nothing to fear from me. Outing and threats can have devastating consequences. Been there and done that! I don't wish that on anyone. -- Brangifer (talk) 21:18, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I make my real-life identity easily discoverable and the worst I've had (on a controversial topic) is a very long letter in green ink (seriously!) informing me I must have ulterior motives for trying to "do down" a certain world-view. I had no idea who/what Sears was until I started searching through peer-reviewed journals looking for references to him. From them, it all seems this is a pretty clear matter. Alexbrn talk|contribs|COI 21:26, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah - I wasn't worried about BullRangifer doing anything, but Sears is on the edge and outside the norm. I gave a few sources to back up his views and put some in perspective - I don't know vaccines or anything, but I'm sure Med's people have better things to do then deal with the article. I stay with 100 year old films and less dramatic topics, but I keep getting pronged to do BLPN and other stuff. Controversial stuff is not my forte. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 21:32, 5 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That sounds more fun. And maybe I should get around to filling in the glaring gaps of coverage for Joseph Suk's major orchestral works. There'll be no heated arguments there. Probably ;-)

The Signpost: 04 February 2015

Sorry

Sorry for calling you out so quickly at Talk:Breastfeeding. I was prepared to meet resistance, and instead of clarifying or actually looking at what you first reverted I reacted rashly. I hope you understand what the issues are with the article, and that we can work together to improve it. -- CFCF 🍌 (email) 23:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No problemo! We just need to be careful. Any real improvements will be welcome. Try to build by tweaking, not by mass deletions. Save what can be saved, improve wording, find a better way to use sources, etc.. -- Brangifer (talk) 01:00, 8 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The Signpost: 11 February 2015

Ratel

As an affected user you should note In all fairness: Indef block appeal for Ratel --ClaudioSantos¿? 06:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lock Request

Just because User:Barras blocked all my IP segments on meta, so I could not request lock there. I request lock for all my IP addresses for the following reasons:

1. I could not help myself helping improve Wikipedia articles, whether you could understand or not, I have no ideas.

2. People here, such as User:Antigng and User:Claw of Slime make me feel sick always with Wikipedia.org.

3. Block could not prevent me from reading Wikipedia.org articles, only lock could make it possible, so I request lock!

This is Janagewen, without needing hide or anything else. 221.9.24.116 (talk) 12:53, 15 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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