User talk:BaronLarf

Unless otherwise requested, I will reply to your comments on this page.

It is my policy never to delete any comments posted here, but to archive them when this page gets too large.
Comments before my extended wikibreak (which ended March 22, 2006) are in the below archives
Opera archive — Wisconsin archive — School archive — Administrator archive — Other archive

Hello

Long time no talk. I see, given your contribs, that something has been keeping you quite busy of late. I'm writing tho, because I'm beginning to become mildly concerned about what might have happened to User:HollyAm... Any ideas? Tomer ^talk 02:18, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no idea. I abruptly became much less active when I moved and got a new job. I'm not sure what happend with her. --Baron Larf 17:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Welcome

Thanks for the welcome message. I've thrown myself down user page. Do you have a perferred genre of opera? Is this the proper location for such a question?

Thaumato 20:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome back

Good to see you around again. Welcome back! Btw the April issue of Milwaukee Magazine was supposed to have a piece on Wikipedia (I can only get the online version where I live though). Cheers, Antandrus (talk) 21:13, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. I really can't say how long I'll be able to stick around before my job starts sucking up too much of my time again, but it's good to be Wikipedia-ing again. I think I overdid it last time around, and got burned out. Let me know if you find out anything more about that magazine article; I can't find out anything about it at the Milwaukee Magazine website. Cheers --Baron Larf 21:22, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Beer info box

It has been suggested by User:BrianSmithson that the Beer and brewery categories should be renamed. The proposal has been supported by User:Syrthiss, and supported and expanded by myself. The notion is that the regional categories should follow the format of "Beer and breweries in Africa" /Europe/Asia/North America/South America/Oceania. "Brewers and breweries" could also be renamed "Beer and breweries by region". And all the countries should also be renamed (and merged if needed) as, for example, "Beer and breweries of Germany", "Beer and breweries of Britain", "Beer and breweries of Poland". The word in each case would be beer rather than beers to allow for general articles on beer culture in each region as well as individual beers.

Comments, suggestions, objections and simple votes to Wiki Beer Project SilkTork 14:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Timberlane edits

You deleted much of the Camp Timberlane article, mostly about the camp-related podcast. The podcast is a major new "off-season" thing that everyone listens to. Can you restore it please? 66.82.9.81 21:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No. WP:N. --Baron Larf 02:48, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You don't Understand. The podcast is a very big part of Camp Timberlane, and not mentioning it in an article about Timberlane borders on censorship. Plus, you told me to get my own account. I have one, but due to something, the login doesnt stick. Know anything about it? 66.82.9.81 03:16, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't keep deleting a perfectly good article section becuase someone wrote an essay telling you not to. At the very least, post on the talk page and then the various editors of the article about your proposed delete rather than just deleting and citing non-official policy as your reasoning. 66.82.9.81 03:20, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Upon your request, I separated the two topics (Timberlane/KTIM) and placed a short summary in the Timberlane article. But now some other admin wants me to merge it back. At least he told me with a notice on the page rather than taking action straightaway. 66.82.9.81 03:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In view of the fact that this user appears to be referencing me (although I should note that I'm not an admin), I write to direct your attention to KTIM Online, the article about which he writes and an article that I PRODded a bit ago. Surely the station itself, and especially the podcasts thence issuing, is non-notable, and so I imagine that if the PROD tag is removed, the article will be deleted at AfD. Even as I've only looked cursorily at the Camp Timberlane article, I think you are altogether correct that the information as appended is non-notable, and, for that reason, I wouldn't support a merge. Inasmuch, though, as the user seems to have been relatively cordial and to have attempted to comply with policy in his creation of the article, I don't think the "merge" tag is applied in bad faith; I think simply that he/she fails to understand that, irrespective of one's politeness or compliance with otherwise applicable policies, that which is non-notable is non-notable (whether as a standalone article or as part of a broader art). For my part, then, I think the new article should surely be deleted (although not speedied, since it seems to make some argument--however spurious--toward the notability of its subject), and I will leave you to continue what seems to be altogether sound work in policing the Camp article. Joe 03:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright.. sorry about that whole mess. One more thing: Where can I read dicussions/discuss notability? I don't like the idea that a certain number of people have to know about it for it to be in WIkipedia. If everyone knows about it, then why does it get priority over a topic that 30 people know about? How does that expand human knowledge. Sorry to criticize, and thanks for helping out. 69.19.14.23 01:33, 7 April 2006 (UTC) (Yet another post by "66.82.9.81")[reply]

Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, not a collection of links. Notability is indeed a guideline, and it's a subjective one. But I think you would agree that not every podcast that has 30 listeners deserves its own Wikipedia article. For more on notability, see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Precedents#Remarks on notability as well as all the articles on the infobox to the right of the Wikipedia:Notability article. Discussions can be found under the "discussion" tab. Cheers.--Baron Larf 13:41, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Font on your user page?

How did you get that Lucida-ish font on your user page? Ccool2ax 13:09, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heh heh. You must be using a mac; it looks like Arial to us PC users. Just click "edit" on my user page and you can copy the code. Just don't click "save page", please. :^) --Baron Larf 13:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Lynda Barry

Many thanks for the information about Lynda Barry. RFD 19:05, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My pleasure. :^) I hope you don't think I'm following you around today; I'm just on a Wisconsin article kick, and some of your edits are bringing some Wisconsin articles to the top of my watchlist. Cheers--Baron Larf 19:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Flurry of changes to List of opera companies

Hi! Since I put up the new list of opera companies (complied by three of us on the Opera Project), there have been a flurry of changes by first you and afterwards by E Pluribus Anthony. It's actually difficult to work it all out. Would it be possible to put your recommendations (which I probably agree with) on the List of notable opera companies (present title - not that I like it) Talk page under the explanation of what we did?

One point: you changed the category to opera companies rather than opera. At the moment all the lists are top level (i.e. under Opera) rather than sharing a category with individual items on the list. Is this wrong? It seems a common sense arrangement. After all someone who checks the opera category with want to know what is in it. Regards.

Kleinzach 14:47, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies! I have just seen your comment on the Talk page - which I will respond to there. On the other hand my question about the categories still stands.

Kleinzach 14:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

First, I want to applaud you for all of your high-quality additions to opera-related articles; though I'm an admin and the third member of WP:WPO, I have had to take a wiki-break until a month ago, and was pleasantly surprised by all of the great new opera articles.

With the lists, I see it as pretty straight-forward that articles having to do with a specific aspect of Opera should go under that category; lists of operas go under "Operas," lists of opera houses go under "Opera Houses," lists of opera singers go under "Opera singers," and so on. If someone is looking for a list of Opera Houses, they can simply click on "Opera houses". At that category page, a user will see "Main article: Opera houses: Houses listed by continent, then country", making it clear that they can click on that article for a list. The same goes for Opera companies, etc.

If someone is looking for lists, they can also click on the "Opera-related lists" category under the Opera category, linking them to the lists.--Baron Larf 15:16, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I should also applaud you for developing the opera project! I'm delighted you are back and look forward to cooperating on projects. I've been recruiting some opera enthusiasts and specialists to work on articles - mainly people who write on the Opera-L email list. They know a lot about opera but not a great deal about Wikipedia. Having an admin around to support the group and help solve technical problems will be great!

With regard to categories, if a list has the same category designation as an item, surely it will be listed as such? For example if the 'List of Opera Companies' is categorized as an opera company, surely it will appear as an opera company under the letter L? Isn't this a problem?

Kleinzach 15:58, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it would normally be listed just plain alphabetically in the category. To get around that, the following things are done:

The list is given the following code for categoization: [[Category:Operas| ]] instead of [[Category:Operas]]. This puts the article at the very top of the articles in the category (see Category:Operas, where List of operas is at the top of the list.)
The list is mentioned in the text of the category page (see Category:Operas where List of operas and List of famous operas are prominently mentioned.

Cheers. --Baron Larf 16:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, though I see that List of famous operas still appears under 'L' on Category:Operas. (List of operas does not.) Maybe the cat is wrong? - Kleinzach 17:17, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that out. I've fixed it. --Baron Larf 17:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding School Name Categorization

I hate to be pedantic on the categorization of Montgomery Blair High School, but I'm just looking for a standardization here. Does that mean Winston Churchill High School should really be under C, Thomas Sprigg Wootton High School should really be under W, Albert Einstein High School should really be under E, Colonel Zadok A. Magruder High School should really be under M, John F. Kennedy High School (Montgomery County, Maryland) should really be under K, Richard Montgomery High School should be under R, Our Lady of Good Counsel High School should be under G, and Archbishop Curley High School should really be under C, per their common names? Certainly, that seems a bit unnecessary; I think we should just stay with the official name. joturn e r 02:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

<shrug> I really don't feel all that strongly, so I'm not going to revert things if people change back my edits. I just saw what User:WhisperToMe was doing and it made sense to me; but he was only putting the first letter, not the whole name in, so I corrected two I saw he had done to spell out the name. This is too minor of a thing for me to make a fuss about, so that's fine. Cheers --Baron Larf 02:09, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Montgomery High School

In this edit, you changed the cat key to Montgomery High School, something which I had previously removed to instead file it as Richard Montgomery High School (R, not M). As I have never heard of it refered to as just Montgomery (to prevent confusion with Montgomery Blair, perhaps?) shouldn't it go under R? Or is there some standard of which I do not know to file by last name? Thanks. --M @th wiz 20 20 00:01, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, oops - I didn't see the above section of your talk page. --M @th wiz 20 20 00:03, 15 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Washington state

10 days ago, you fixed this redirect, and you appeared a bit perturbed (excusably) about it. Okay, I can clear up the confusion for you on why on earth this page (improperly) liked to the university. (The page history might help.)

Four years ago, the page was created to link to Washington. Then, two months ago, an ill-advised (probably East Coast ) user attempted to move Washington to Washington State, and subsequently "fixed" the redirect. Problem is, Washington State (with the capital S) is not the state's actual page, and it redirects to the university, as well it should. A robot then "fixed" the double redirect, automatically assuming that the redirect wanted to go to the university. Finally, you walked in and solved the problem.

What boggles my mind is how this could have possibly gone on for two entire months before someone fixed it. (Due to the Washington State redirect, Washington State University did already have a disamb header on top of the page, which probably had something to do with it...) It's also stunning that in the week after the double redirect was created, nobody noticed it enough to fix it. But in any case, thank you very much for doing so, and I've now added the page to my watchlist, so problems like this probably won't happen again. Thanks again... and happy editing! Matt Yeager ♫ (Talk?) 00:09, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for taking the time for the explanation. I just figured it was some Washington State University alumni. :^) --Baron Larf 01:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk Ex-Yugoslavia

Talk:Kosovo#2 Administrator for Ex-Yugoslavien articels in Wikipedia- The voice of Kosovar

UW vs. UW-Madison and Wisc. schools.

It really irked me, but I'm over it. I wanted to talk to you about the possibility of overlaying File:Goschool.gif on for use in Template:Wisconsin-school-stub. I'd recommend resizing the Wisconsin map down a bit closer to the image size of the schoolhouse. I'm not much for image manipulation... Tomer ^talk 03:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't have photoshop on my new computer, but I'll work on it when I get a hold of something that can merge the pix together. --Baron Larf 13:29, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Here's what I've done, in MSPaint. Lemme know if you think it's not up to par, and I'll try to do a better job. Cheers, Tomer ^talk 02:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good to me. :^) --Baron Larf 02:42, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Milwaukee

For the climate section of Milwaukee, how does, "Milwaukee's location in the [[Great Lakes region of the Midwestern United States.." I think it is important that we include the Great Lakes in the intro because being on the shores of Lake Michigan is a veyr important factor in our climate. Or do you prefer to keep it as it is without Midwest? Thanks, Shawn 22:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the Great Lakes are important to the climate; that's why a couple paragraphs down there's a discussion of Lake Michigan and the lake effect. But the region is known as the Midwest more often than the Great Lakes region, and that's where there's a good article to link to. So, imho, the "midwest" should stay as the name of the region. Cheers. --Baron Larf 13:34, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

good enough for me. --Shawn 13:38, 21 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fond du Lac Indian Reservation

I changed the template on Talk:Fond du Lac Indian Reservation to {{WikiProject Minnesota}}, since the reservation is in Minnesota. I'd support removing it from the relatedarticleslinked for WP:WPWI altogether, as the reservation is in Minnesota, and the Fond du Lac band hasn't had much of a presence in Wisconsin since the 1800s. Tomer ^talk 00:28, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good call. It won't be included when I update the related links today or tomorrow. Thanks. --Baron Larf 18:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Dhwani1989

I've been following behind User:Dhwani1989 who I am virtually certain is a sock or campaign operative. In fact, just today, I reported User:Dhwani1989 for copyvio and that block resulted. He was warned and warned, but was deleting the warnings from his talk page. Take a look at his contributions list and edits and tell me he's not with the DSCC or DNC. With elections coming up, we have to very vigilant. Merecat 03:46, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I saw this message which you copied from Talk:Russ Feingold. I think we should assume good faith; I see no reason to think he's a puppet of some political group, only that he likes putting pictures on pages about Democrats. It's clear that he has problems with copyviolations of images. I'm an admin, and will be watching to make sure that he doesn't continue to violate policy when he's unblocked. Cheers --Baron Larf 03:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Sensenbrenner

Thanks for your efforts as well. Hopefully, we'll be able to get the POV-pusher to stop messing with the article. I'm actually surprised this article isn't hit more, considering how much Sensenbrenner's been in the news lately. OCNative 11:59, 1 May 2006 (UTC) Despite my own very strong (and longstanding) opinions about Sensenbrenner and his record, I apologize for any and all ninnies who violate PoV guidelines, as well as (obviously) the actual vandalisms.--Orange Mike 16:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Camp Timberlane for Boys edits (2)

I thought on the KTIM Online AfD page a consensus was reached to include a shortened version of the paragraph about KTIM Online in the Camp Timberlane Page. How about (another) compromise: a link to the TimberWiki KTIM Online Article and one accompanying sentence? Chris Ccool2ax 13:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Baron Larf 13:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism

Your front page has been vandalized. Incase you didn't know. Chris Ccool2ax 23:11, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Revert and block. --Baron Larf 23:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bout the "baronlarf's a dick" thing, that was an error, if you havent already see my talk page. --Chris Ccool2ax 23:30, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not a problem. Thanks for the clarification, though. Cheers.--Baron Larf 23:31, 6 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to keep coming back, but i think the 11-time violence thing was probably a mistake from an edit conflict. It was 9 times before the 6 may violence, so I changed it to 10. Then you probably came upon an edit conflict when reverting and changed it to 11 or some other mishmash. I'm guessing the true vandal count is 10.

On a related note, have you considered protecting your user page? -- Chris Ccool2ax 02:34, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. It was 9 back in August 2005. Then someone vandalized it in September 2005 (I didn't change the vandalism count), plus the one yesterday, for 11. And, nah, no need to protect it; it only gets vandalized around once every two months. I can handle that. --Baron Larf 05:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Walter Ristow

The La Crosse Tribune had an article in today's paper about Walter Ristow May 7, 2006. I managed to get that article linked to the Ristow article. I also started the Chester La Follette article; he was a painter and did the painting of his cousin Senator Robert M. La Follette, Sr. in the United States Capitol. I was able to link the information about the painting to the Chester La Follette. Sometimes, I do pretty well with external links.Thank you-RFD 13:01, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bob Uecker

Hi. I noticed you reverted my edits from the Bob Uecker article that I made late Friday night (early Sat. morning). Your edits are incorrect. I was watching while Uecker was on 'The Tonight Show with Jay Leno' Friday night when Leno asked him if he was born in Milwaukee. He said many people believed that he was but that he actually had been born outside Chicago while his family was traveling. He said he had always lived in Milwaukee. If you have any other information suggesting that the tonight show interview was false, please let me know. Otherwise, I do not see why Uecker would lie about his own birthplace on national television. Just wanted you to know the reason for my edits and that I am not a random vandalist :-). Thanks!

Thanks for your message; I still have my doubts, though. Please see Talk:Bob Uecker.--Baron Larf 17:27, 7 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

IPA

Being civil in these cases hasn't worked. You and your buddies are missing the point. This is an English page. I shouldn't have to "figure out" how to pronounce something that's already in English based on this IPA gibberish. Feel free to post it, but don't remove the English pronounciation, ya dig? Wahkeenah 05:24, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have no "buddies" on here, and I'm not removing either English pronunciation, either the IPA or your on take on it. And if you can point out to me where I can find a word spelled "Uecker" in an English dictionary, I'll give you a cookie. Cheers. --Baron Larf 12:08, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Well, as I say in the article, it's a homophone for the card game "Euchre". In past arguments with other IPA proponents, we have compromised on this approach: You can have your IPA stuff, and for words where the pronunciation is not necessarily obvious, it's acceptable to also say "rhymes with" or whatever. Hopefully, we are all square on this particular one. :) Wahkeenah 12:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed; that's why I haven't removed your "euchre" stuff. I just didn't want it to be thought that I was part of some IPA cabal; I've never added IPA pronunciation before. Now if someone just put up a sound file of his name, there could be no doubt. :^) Cheers. --Baron Larf 14:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If we could get a sound file of him saying his own name and telling that tale of the "oleo run", we could cover both bases. The sound file is theoretically a good idea, except that it requires special software, maybe, which is a worse issue than having to learn another language. I saw there was a sound file in the Chicago article. I've heard it said "chi-KAH-go" (which is how I usually say it), "chi-KAW-go" (which is how trained radio announcers say it, or used to), "chi-KAW-guh" (which is how some of the natives say it) and probably other ways. However, it's curious that the IPA thing is not even there. There seems to be a lack of consistency. Wahkeenah 17:49, 8 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Garfield High School

The recently added piece on Vern was offensive; thank you for removing it. I also don't think that he is particularly notable as he isn't actually affiliated with the school in any way, merely sometimes tolerated having been kicked off the grounds multiple times.

Rick, however, is more well known than most of the faculty and staff at the school. He, and his interactions with the student body, are a major component of the culture of the school. If you simply believe that no one associated with a high school is notable, well, so be it, but is the existence of mental disability is offensive to you? The section on Rick was factual and objective, if not referenced. (I'm sure I can dig up any references you want for it in past issues of The Messenger.) I don't think it was offensive and assume that most people, especially those that know Rick and even Rick himself, would agree with me. Rick has managed to live independently into early middle age in the face of his disability. It is a part of who he is, not some dirty secret to hide under the rug. I mean, we could say that defining Hellen Keller by her disabilities is offensive as well. We could write an article about al the great work she did and leave out any mention of disability as that would be tarnishing her image.

Finally, what is offensive about what was written about Mr. Warren Anderson, who taught at Garfield for over 20 years and revolutionized the history department making him as notable as a teacher can get aside from the one at the other purple and white Garfield bulldogs. It obviously needs cleaning up, but neither of your reasons for deleting would seem to apply:

*Anderson - Refers to the beloved former Garfield world history teacher named Warren Anderson. Though he retired in 2004, his name is still often brought up, as he had taught freshman world history at Garfield for many years. He is known for his wit, intelligence, slideshows of his travels around the world, and ability to make students disappointed about having substitute teachers. He taught in the same room (119) for the length of his tenure at Garfield. Room 119 is considered to be hallowed ground by most students who had him as a teacher. ?

—WAvegetarian•_{_{CONTRIBUTIONS}}^{^TALK}• ^{^EMAIL}• 07:05, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that this came off rather strongly, but I stand by it. I am writing this in hopes that you can help me understand your reasoning. I am not questioning your GF, just not understanding. I don't currently see a reason not to replace (not revert, it could certainly have been written better) the content on Rick and possibly even expand the content on Anderson after more research once my final exams are over and I'm back in Seattle. —WAvegetarian•_{_{CONTRIBUTIONS}}^{^TALK}• ^{^EMAIL}• 07:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Journal Communications

Hello. Thank you for your attention to the Journal Communications page. I am curious about one thing, though: Why did you change some state abbreviations so they're spelled out, but not others? I don't really have a preference either way if it's consistent. (For the record, I went with state abbreviations because the Manual of Style doesn't address it, so I deferred to the Associated Press Stylebook.) Thanks for your help as I learn. Dmp348 22:45, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, great job on the article. There wasn't any reason why I left a couple abbreviations there other than the fact that I missed some. I wish I could point to someplace on the WP:MOS where it says that it's common practice to spell out cities, and states, but I can't find anything which specificall says that in regards to cities. If you look around, though, it's very rare to see state abbreviations used, probably just because it takes so much more time to type [[Milwaukee, Wisconsin|Milwaukee, Wis.]] as opposed to [[Milwaukee, Wisconsin]]. It does state here that abbreviations are discouraged unless the abbrevation has been explained earlier in the article. Convention is to state "City, State" the first time, and then to just say "City" from then on.

Anyhow, it just didn't look right to me, so I spelled out the state names while I was editing the article to add a category and italics to the newspapers. Cheers. --Baron Larf 23:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Unblocking

Thanks a lot for unblocking my rotated IP. I owe you one. -- Chris Ccool2ax 03:42, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem. Happy editing! --Baron Larf 03:43, 14 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sokaogon Mole Lake Chippewa Tribe.

I came across an article about the Sokaogon Mole Lake Chippewa tribe in Forest County, Wisconsin. To be on the safe side I reduced the article to a stub and added the tribe's website. I think there might had been the possibility of a possible copyright violation. I did not want to take any chances. Finally, many thanks for your work with WikiProject Wisconsin. Thank you-RFD 20:31, 16 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up, and nice work on catching the probably copyvio. I'll start trying to add some more stuff about the tribe after I read more about them. And it's been good to work with you on WP:WPWI too; I was afraid that when I started the group last year that there wouldn't be enough interest to keep it going, but I was pleasantly surprised to see it alive and kicking when I came back from my wikibreak in March. --Baron Larf 16:31, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Wisconsin page

Hello, I edited the Wisconsin page to describe the Democratic party as being both liberal and progressive, and you reverted my edit. The reason I made the edit is because the portrayal of the Democratic Party as exclusively liberal is incorrect. The Democratic Party is a big tent, and while liberals are a certainly a big part of the party, I believe it to be a mistake to characterize the Democrats as a 'liberal' party, because there are non-liberals to both the right and left within the party organization. In Wisconsin specifically, Tammy Baldwin identifies herself as a progressive rather than a liberal. Perhaps we could find a way of describing the parties that accurately reflects their big tent natures but does not unwittingly draw parallels with the defunct Progressive Party or is otherwise misleading? aliceinlampyland 21:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

By all means, do it in the politics section. But everything that you say there seems to me to be a bit much all in the introductory paragraph. Cheers --Baron Larf 01:02, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I had removed the misleading 'liberal' and 'conservative' qualifiers in the introduction, but they had been reverted. aliceinlampyland 12:41, 20 May 2006 (UTC).[reply]

User 65.30.222.57

Seriously, if this is a single person, he or she should definitetly be blocked. However, since there is a scattering of helpful contributions in the vandalism, I would guess that this is a public computer at a school, maybe Pius, since it is mentioned in one of their edits. If so, it would be a good idea to mark that it is as such, but I don't know how to do that. BirdValiant 00:03, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked. --Baron Larf 05:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Caryville

Thanks. I wasn't sure the refs would work correctly since one of them is in the extlinks section. I'm working on a rather less thorough Rock Falls, Dunn County, Wisconsin that you might wanna look in on in a few minutes. :-) Tomer ^talk 06:02, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. :^) I'm really going to have to get chopping on unincorporated areas in the Milwaukee area... you're putting me to shame up in the northwest. --Baron Larf 13:44, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Heya... I wrote Rock Falls, Dunn County, Wisconsin (as you're well aware), but there's already an unrelated Town of Rock Falls, Wisconsin in Lincoln County. Should we move the contents of Rock Falls, Wisconsin to Rock Falls, Lincoln County, Wisconsin and make Rock Falls, Wisconsin a {{geodis}}? Tomer ^talk 21:32, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting... should towns have precedence over unincorporated areas, or should they been seen as equal and have a common disambig page? I don't know. If I state an opinion now, I'm sure that someone would change it for me and I'd just add confusion. I'll defer to whatever decision you made. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Augustine Francis Schinner

Hi! I notice you wrote about Augustine Francis Schinner, the first Bishop of the Roman Catholic Diocese of Superior, on the Superior Diocese article. I decided to start an article about Bishop Schinner. One note: the computer I used as home does not have:| There fore, I have to use the public library computer since they have:| and mine does not. So, I can not always bet to the library computer to do categories about famous people. Enjoy your trip to Europe.Many thanks!RFD 18:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I hope you are doing okay! RFD 18:06, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, no prob. I'll shadow your new contributions to add the categories then. Thanks for your note. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey BaronLarf

A much-belated welcome back! I see that you are on a travelling wikibreak right now; looks like I just missed you again! I am doing just fine, although busy. Caring for a family member, added to normal work/school responsibilites, required a somewhat abrupt wikibreak. But, I plan on now being back. I'll check out the Wisconsin updates and catch up on what's new. Great to see you are back at the Wiki. HollyAm 02:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, good to hear from you, and I hope your family member's doing okay. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A warm welcome back when you get back here. -- Chris Ccool2ax contrib. 03:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Chris. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

CfD on Category:Wisconsin musicians

Wikipedia:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Wisconsin_musicians I notice that a while back, you depopulated that cat. Can you tell me the story? -Freekee 04:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... I don't recall anymore, but I'm sure there was a very good reason behind it. ;^) Sorry, don't remember. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Musicals

Hi! I'm leaving you this message because your name is listed as a past participant in WikiProject Musicals (previously WikiProject Broadway). While the project has laid dormant for quite awhile, it has recently taken your year-old suggestion of focusing on a more generalized approach. I would like to work toward getting it up and operative. I have a few ideas that I've outlined on the talk page, and would love your input. Working together, I think we can signifigantly improve the quality of the articles relating to musicals on Wikipedia. — Music Maker 06:19, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Glad I could help. I'm not going to be on Wikipedia for regular periods in the coming months, but I'll help out when I can. --Baron Larf 14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

the opera houses v. list of houses page

Thanks for your comments. I've copied this over in case you didn't see it.. Vivaverdi 23:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Clean up

I've tried to clean up the list in this article so that only opera houses are listed, not opera companies. A List of opera companies should cover the companies themselves, which I will create in the next week (if someone else doesn't beat me to it). Also, I can invision this article being moved to List of opera houses, with "Opera house" devoted to a discussion of opera houses themselves, their history and acoustics, etc. Cheers. --Baron Larf 20:41, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Increaingly, I've come to the conclusion that the only way to have all the opera houses in some sort of list (since people remove individual houses and put them in the country list) is to change this to List of opera houses.

There is a List of important opera companies (60 regarded as significnt, so don't believe that we need another one), but I think you're right in suggesting that Opera house could be it's own article.

Vivaverdi 23:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Requests for Pipe & Johnsburg

I noticed your request for articles on both places. I live just minutes from both. I can EASILY get an image of both. I'm wondering what sources I could use for creating an article. Do you have any generic sources on places in Wisconsin? Pipe has been especially elusive.

I wonder if there should be an article on a region of Fond du Lac county called "The Holyland". Both Johnsburg and Pipe are just outside the region. Almost every little unincorporated village is named after something religious: Jericho (2 miles from me), Marytown (also 3 miles from me), St. Joe, St. Peter, Mount Calvary, St. Cloud, etc. Thousands of my Catholic distant cousins live there. Probably too regional/local to be notable. --Royalbroil 02:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When places are not incorporated, there really isn't one source that I get my information from. Since you live nearby, I'd suggest the Local History section of your local library. That's helped me in the past. Cheers --14:25, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Great idea. Thanks! --Royalbroil 05:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Kent-Meridian High School

Per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kent-Meridian High School, I just thought you'd like to know that the consensus for deleting High School articles now appears to be swinging back in favor of deletion. So this may indicate the beginning of another campaign to remove most High School articles. Your opinion on the AfD article would be appreciated. It might be helpful if a notability standard for High Schools could be agreed upon. Thank you. — RJH (talk) 16:36, 12 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I've improved the article.--Baron Larf 20:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

UW-Milwaukee

noticed your revert here [1], and I agree. I'm discussing the batch of similar changes with the editor here User talk:CollegeSportsGuy, in case you want to chime in. --mtz206 (talk) 17:26, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Will do. --Baron Larf 20:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Wisconsin template

I must have forgot to add the template to a few articles. I definitely missed it on Hilbert. I routinely add the template to the talk pages. I've been trained well in WikiProject NASCAR. To error is human. I am curious about the indexing. Please explain the part about routinely adding the articles further. Thanks! --Royalbroil 05:25, 16 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, no problem. Every week or so a couple of us (usually HollyAm or myself, I think) update the WP:WPWI recent change list by add them by pasting the results into a spreadsheet of the output from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recentchangeslinked/Template:WikiProject_Wisconsin . We remove the "talk:" prefixes, and paste wikilinks of the articles, categories, images and templates into Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Wisconsin recent changes. --BaronLarf 01:46, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I have been manually adding articles to the WP:WPWI Recent Changes template like we do at WikiProject NASCAR. Are these changes manually added to the spreadsheet? Should I only be adding the WP:WPWI tag to the talk page instead? --Royalbroil 23:41, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Either way works. If you only add the tag to the talk page, the page just won't show up on the recent changes lists until someone manually updates it. --Baron Larf 00:35, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Madison

Thanks for catching that. I was surprised at the article's abrupt ending last night and planned to investigate today! Back on July 12 I still had that blasted Google Toolbar installed and it was cutting off my edits like crazy.--Dhartung | Talk 18:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No problem; I figured that was what had happened. :^) --Baron Larf 18:36, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Towns of Calumet County, Wisconsin

I noticed on my watchlist that you moved the Brothertown, Calumet County, Wisconsin article to Brothertown, Wisconsin. I notice that there are several other towns in Calumet County should get moved. I can do the task. I'm curious about what's the current naming convention for townships in Wisconsin.

I also noticed that you abbreviated the wording and moved around images that I took. I'm cool with that. I ran across an article last night that talked about how to arrange images to lessen conflicts with different monitor display resolutions. I found it somewhere under WP:IMAGE. --Royalbroil 23:12, 19 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Hey Royalbroil. I was going systematically through all municipalities in Wisconsin by county, alphabetically, to add the {{WikiProject Wisconsin}} template to their talk pages. When I come across a page that needs improvement, I do a bit of touch up.

The naming convention for municipalities is at Wikipedia:WikiProject Wisconsin/Cities#Naming conventions. Basically, it just states that the name of an article for Footown, Foo County, Wisconsin should be Footown, Wisconsin, unless there's another place with that same name. There's lots of articles with Footown, Foo County, Wisconsin where that county name just isn't necessary. The articles were mostly created by bots, so it takes a bit of work to have everything make sense. When there's a city and a town next to each other with the same name (like the City of Cedarburg and the Town of Cedarburg, the city gets Cedarburg, Wisconsin and the town gets Cedarburg (town), Wisconsin. Villages are treated like cities in this way.

Now, if there are two completely unrelated towns in separate counties, that's when something like Harrison, Calumet County, Wisconsin and Harrison, Waupaca County, Wisconsin becomes necessary.

With the images, I was just trying to standardize using my own judgment; WP:PIC shows that images should usually not be made to be larger than 300 pixels, with the norm being 180. If you want to resize thumbnails to show on your computer at a different size, you can do this under the "files" tab at Special:Preferences. There's a good guide for captions at Wikipedia:Captions; I was aiming for more brevity. Thanks for your comments. --Baron Larf 00:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PIC is the article that I was talking about. Thanks for citing the naming conventions. Sounds like a reasonable policy to me. Good job in cleaning up the bots' work. You used good judgement with the images that I looked at. I'll let you do the articles for Calumet County since you have everything under control. I'm trying to improve Wikipedia's articles for my part of the state since there aren't many wikipedians here. My cousin, Bdman, was been helping a bit too. Please don't ask him to join, for I doubt he plans to join this Wikiproject, but he is a friend of the project.

I have been to all 72 counties in Wisconsin during my vacations. I'll keep my eyes open for photo opportunities when I'm on vacation. I'll look over the Images needed in Wisconsin category before I leave for a few day long trip to Sturgeon Bay in Door County in around a month.

I have been doing a Wisconsin racetrack tour this summer. I've been to 11 tracks: Chilton (2 tracks), Plymouth, Columbus, Madison, Manitowoc, Luxemburg, Kaukauna (stockcar and drag tracks), Shawano, and Oshkosh. I hope to get to 5 more yet (Sturgeon Bay, Antigo, Francis Creek, Beaver Dam, Seymour, and Slinger). The track needs to be within 2 hours of my home. I've been taking pictures of the county fairgrounds where the tracks are located at, and I'll upload them to the county's article later when I have more time. I've also taken some pictures of the cities that I've passed through. I've been uploading a picture of a car from each division to a flickr account. There are links on my user page. --Royalbroil 00:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Brewery poll

Your vote/opinion on brewery notability is requested here: [2] SilkTork 11:57, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

152.163.100.200 (talk · contribs)

If you're going to block users that haven't edited in almost 24 hours, could you at least use an IPonly block?--AOL account (205.188.116.200) 15:00, 20 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

68.82.220.199 (talk · contribs)

What page did I vandilize? The only page I've contributed to was Jerome's Dream unelss someone else in my house was vandalizing pages.