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Film/TV movie

From looking at other sites it seems Ann Rule wrote the story Too Late To Say Goodbye based on Bartin Corbin's murder of his wife and the earlier murder of a girlfriend which was filmed with Rob Lowe - I can't find it on Rob Lowe either though. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1486861/?ref_=sr_2 86.128.242.19 (talk) 14:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Name

Is Rule her married name or a nom de plume? 86.139.225.123 (talk) 15:15, 27 October 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rule is the last name of one of her ex-husbands. 12.180.133.18 (talk) 21:48, 22 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Talk:Andy Stack (musician) to Andy Stack. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:00, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

DOB source

Her date of birth, October 22, 1930, needs a source. I can't find one. 12.180.133.18 (talk) 01:03, 23 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

BRD

Let's try to discuss rather than editing over the top of one another and an edit war starting up, please. Obviously, things are going to change rapidly as news of her death gets out. As far as I can tell, the best references are the most local to Rule's home and family. Her daughter states she died on the 21st, a local news station states she was 84 at the time of her death and was born in October 1930. That seems the most accurate so far. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:00, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

For crying out loud. I am not adding ANY NEW INFORMATION to the article, if I haven't been clear. Connormah (talk) 22:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You need not shout to be heard. Do you have something to discuss regarding article content? As far as new content, yes, you did change her birth year as well as her date of death. Both were incorrect. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:03, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
You're making this way harder than this should be. Are you actually examining my edits and the sources before itching to revert everything? All the sources cited give July 26 (Including the AP) and the age as 83 now. The Oct. 1930 dob is not sourced. The 1931 one is. Furthermore, there is no reason at all to be reverting productive MOS edits. Connormah (talk) 22:05, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DOD

See the following for correct date of death: [1]. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict):My apologies, the day of death has changed. There are times when I really, really hate the media for posting things with certainty, and then reposting "corrections" when they should have gotten it right the first time. I guess this is a lesson learned when it comes to internet news. Ugh. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what you're seeing. It says Sunday night. Connormah (talk) 22:16, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
AS for the DOB, I do see it now in that source. The AP and other sources are giving 1931 though and if the death age of 83 is correct, she had to have been born in 1931. I suspect the NYT will have an obit out containing the correct DOB within the coming days. Edit: Appears to be October 22, 1931 according to public records [2], but we'll have to wait for an RS to come up with the date. Connormah (talk) 22:20, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Although early on sources said she was 79, then changed it to 84. So, yes - until the obituary comes out, we don't know for sure. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:23, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
They're saying 84 now? It was 83 10 minutes ago. Quite the gongshow of reporting... Connormah (talk) 22:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Easy to see how we've all been so confused by all the date and day changes. "Reliable" is subjective when it comes to sourcing, I'd say. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:29, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like it's just the year that's uncertain. Public records are sometimes wrong too. Hopefully we have an answer soon. Connormah (talk) 22:40, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

DOB

InedibleHulk, this source says in big, bold letters "October 1930 - July 2015". If her birth date was October 22, 1930, then yes - she was 84 at the time of her death, had not yet reached her 85th birthday this October. Your edit warring over this needs to stop. Your edit summary "It's a Facebook graphic, not reliable. The person who Photoshopped it probably checked Wikipedia." means nothing as we have no way of knowing where the news station got the content. But, since it's local to the area Rule lived and worked, they probably have the information from the daughter. Even so, guessing where they got it is speculation on your part. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:44, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

That comes from this Facebook page (and I can't see it at all in your link), which also includes stories saying she was 83. The math doesn't work. Whoever put that graphic together probably checked Wikipedia. You can't trust pictures people share on Facebook. It's the first rule of the Internet. InedibleHulk (talk) 22:49, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
From above, public records say Oct 22, 1931. Those are sometimes wrong however... it could be 1930 as well. The graphic appears to have existed before Oct. 1930's inclusion here on Wikipedia, fwiw. 1931 as a year of birth seems to be more widely reported at this stage though. This'll probably all be cleared up in a few days. Connormah (talk) 22:52, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Doubtful they checked Wikipedia. At the time the graphic came out, her year of birth in this article was 1936. Again, your reasoning is based on speculation and speculation alone. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 22:55, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
That part, sure. But the part where multiple reliable sources say she was 83, and this makes her 84 is pure basic math. 84 is greater than 83, and reliable sources + public records are greater than a Facebook picture, especially when the same local news behind the picture says 83 in their stories, too. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Well... an April 2015 article said she was 84 at the time [3] [4]. We just don't know... Connormah (talk) 23:02, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
When we don't know, we go with what most of the most up-to-date sources say. A Google News search for "ann rule 84" finds just this (which attributes the story to one that says 83 and doesn't mention a heart attack). 83 finds many, including from Entertainment Weekly, who seem to have changed their minds. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:08, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Yes, I know. I had just finished using it as a source, that's why I was pretty certain the 1930 birth date was correct in conjunction with the KIRO graphic. Both are reliable sources and published months apart. I see no reason why the 1930 date would be in question using both sources. Entertainment Weekly is questionable as a reliable source - the are basically along the same lines as TMZ. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:11, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The LA Times just released an obit giving the public records date. [5] Connormah (talk) 23:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
But they say it's "according to a biography on her website." I just used that bio to add the birthday. It doesn't mention a year. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:16, July 27, 2015 (UTC)

For now, I've added three sources, each indicate a different birth year, and have added wording to that effect. I've see this done at other articles when birth dates are unclear. We will know for sure when an official obituary (as submitted by the family) is published. Likely will be published by the mortuary handling her after-death details, burial, etc. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:24, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It'll be published by a newspaper, as they all are. But yeah, it'll be clearer then. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:31, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
Mortuary website obituaries for "celebrities" are the most reliable for dates and events and the like as they are submitted by the family and confirmed by the death certificate via the mortuary. Celebrity obituaries are common in the bigger newspapers and are typically written by staff writers trying to impress with prose and their own paraphrased take on the individual's life. God only knows where they get their information -- they are more likely to include errors. Which was my point when I said that the mortuary website obits written by the family are the most reliable. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
What the funeral home puts up on its site is from what the papers publish. Not the celebrity sort, but the "preceded in death by...services will be held at...in lieu of flowers" sort. More of a webhost than a publisher. But yeah, that's all beside the point. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:45, July 27, 2015 (UTC)
You know, that's simply not true. Celebrity obituaries will vary per publication/newspaper. Mortuaries publish the obituary given to them by the family, or the one they put together for the family. Rule's daughter, Leslie Rule, is a published author, so my money is on her writing the obit. From your comments on this, I'm guessing you've never had to deal with a funeral home when a loved one dies? Anyway, this is all off-topic. The birth year varies per reliable sources. Our best source for correct dates will be the mortuary/funeral home website-published obituary. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 23:51, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I spent my first decade in a funeral home that also ran the newspaper. After the funeral home closed down, I still typed out obituaries for the new funerals for a while. I'd never checked the facts against the death certificate, just took the family for its word, like any other classified. Haven't been on the other side of the process yet, but familiar with it. Might be different elsewhere. InedibleHulk (talk) 00:08, July 28, 2015 (UTC)
Funny, the LOC CIP data gives 1936 as another year of birth. [6]. Connormah (talk) 22:59, 27 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

We have a new editor edit warring over the birth year, even with the embedded notes in place. They are removing them and insisting they are right about the birth year - refusing to take part in talk page discussion. If someone would like to take over in the reverting department should this continue, please do. I'm over the limit. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 04:44, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I got all ready to fix the two deadlink refs, then realized the protection was full. Since I probably won't remember to come back after this opens up again, here's the info.

  • Dead link 1, in the lead. Remove the {{Dead link}} and add to the {{cite news}}: |archiveurl=//web.archive.org/web/20080106194052/http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/20/48hours/murder/main302562.shtml |archivedate=January 6, 2008 |deadurl=yes
  • Dead link 2, in Criticism. Remove the {{Dead link}}. The link is alive and kicking.

Thanks. ―Mandruss ☎ 06:54, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Mandruss. -- WV ● ✉ ✓ 06:58, 28 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The official website link has changed to http://www.authorannrule.com but I can't change it. Why the heck is this page protected from editing? I see something above about an argument over her birth year. Now that she's passed away, it's just a matter of time until the Social Security Death Index will have the official info.

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