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Cardio First Angel - continuation

Hi Bluerasberry, Thanks for your advice. I have use three sources from which I wrote an article. I wasn't sure where to put this article, if in the sandbox or somewhere else. I still find orientation in Wikipedia rather confusing. So, I am sending you my article as part of my message below. I wanted to inclose also a picture of the Cardio First Angel, so people would see how it looks like (my picture), but have no idea where to enclose it. Please let me know the outcome. Thanks Animall

The Article:

The Cardio First Angel

The Cardio First Angel is a medical device which was co-invented by the cardiologist Prof. Dr. Christian Hagl. It has been developed to improve the consistency and quality of manual chest compressions during administration of a heart massage. There was conducted a clinical trial or a Pilot Study of the effect of a Cardio First Angel (CFA) device on CPR. The goal was to find out what was the effect by using a Cardio First Angel on patient survival. The CPRs were randomly performed on various patients using Cardio First Angel. It was concluded that with a Cardio First Angel used by the manufacturer’s guidelines a quality CPR was performed with consistency of the chest compressions. The Pilot Study was provided by Baqiyatallah Medical Sciences University. https://clinicaltrials.gov/ct2/show/study/NCT02394977?view=results

There was a study in Herzchirurgische Klinik des Universitätsklinikums München, Department of Medical Informatics, Biometry and Epidemiology (IBE) where 205 people performed CPR. Firstly they performed CPR just with their knowledge using their hands only. The second time they were using the Cardio First Angel for resuscitation without any instruction how to use it. 38% achieved improvement with compression depth and 33.3% of these people had visible improvement in compression rate when used the Cardio First Angel. 66.2% of people said that they would be happy to use it again, because they didn’t need to be in a physical contact with the patient and because Cardio First Angel was very easy to use even without any prior knowledge. 100% of people placed Cardio First Angel in its correct position.

Christian Heinrich wrote an article in Spiegel Online about Cardio First Angel (CFA) expressing a view that this medical device is a great help in saving people’s lives after a heart attack. The main reasons being that it not only eliminates laymen worry in regard where to place hands or how strong should be a chest compression, but that there is no need of a contact with a patient. The Cardio First Angel consists of combination of springs, when correct pressure is delivered audio feedback by “klick” is heard. When the springs are released, another sound “klack” is heard. The bottom of CFA is from foam surface. On the top is a large red button on which lay rescuer applies pressure by hands. This device is purely mechanical and no batteries or electricity is present. This means that Cardio First Angel is always ready to use. Mr. Christian Heinrich believes that the Cardio First Angel should be placed in the public places, businesses, homes as well as in cars due to its small size and easy transportation. http://www.spiegel.de/gesundheit/diagnose/reanimation-cardio-first-angel-fuer-bessere-wiederbelebung-a-992407.html

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Thanks for your suggestion

Bluerasberry, thanks very much for your helpful suggestion at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Free Speech Flag.

I've added a few citations, and responded there.

I hope you will reconsider,

— Cirt (talk) 19:01, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

I would be willing to rename it along with your suggestion -- do you mean move the Featured Picture candidate page? I'd rather not move the file on Commons as it's been there at that file name for years with many incoming links. What's your advice? — Cirt (talk) 19:08, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Cirt Are incoming links such a serious problem? Moving it would create a redirect. If it is moved, it should only be moved once, so getting other comments about the appropriate file name might be best. I still could be wrong - maybe it is the recognized free speech flag. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:13, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Please see:

• S, Ben (March 1, 2011). "46 DC EA D3 17 FE 45 D8 09 23 EB 97 E4 95 64 10 D4 CD B2 C2". Yale Law & Technology. Archived from the original on March 10, 2011. Retrieved September 24, 2015. A 'PS3 Flag', an homage to its predecessor, the 'Free Speech Flag'

It was the original Free Speech Flag. It inspired others. It was the first one. What do you think? — Cirt (talk) 19:15, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

Please see:

• Thompson, Jeff (August 13, 2011). "Illegal Numbers". Jeff Thompson. Archived from the original on September 24, 2015. Retrieved September 24, 2015. An example of this is the so-called 'Free Speech Flag', seen above.

Author of above source = Assistant Professor and Program Director of Visual Art & Technology at the Stevens Institute of Technology. What are your thoughts? Can we please keep the current title? — Cirt (talk) 19:22, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

• Update: = Done. I've changed the file and caption to Sample 09-F9 protest art, Free Speech Flag by John Marcotte, as you suggested at the FPC. Thank you for the suggestion, it is indeed more accurate and descriptive. — Cirt (talk) 19:33, 24 September 2015 (UTC)

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Hi Lane, im super terrible at the wiki - will get better - met you at wikiD this week. i had a question about fixing a header Kellnerll (talk) 22:04, 25 September 2015 (UTC)kellnerll

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I reverted you

at WP:NOT. It looks to me like WP:NOPRICES fits right in and is explained very well. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 17:30, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Smallbones I just made WP:Prices. I think the content should be somewhere. I would be happy to put that content anywhere else, but for so long prices are addressed there, I think redirects about prices should go there.

Some options -

1. Delete content at WP:Prices
2. Merge that content elsewhere - perhaps to the status quo target of WP:NOPRICES? I like the idea but that section is already a summary, not a discussion
3. Retain redirect to WP:Prices

The part that I object to is having some pricing redirects go to one place, and others going elsewhere. Help me decide whether WP:Prices has a place in Wikipedia.

Thoughts? Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:07, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

First, I think you have to label your essay as "essay". Having a new essay replace an old policy (if only in a redirect), obviously needs some time before it is agreed to by enough people.

Second, you might call it WP:Prices and product lists since they are very similar. What I read WP:NOT as saying is that prices or product availability (e.g. a product list) cannot come from a primary source. In the odd case that it is needed for the article, then it should com from a secondary or tertiary source. This brings up WP:NOADS, which I read as saying the same thing. It all comes down to "what is an advertisement?" The classic definition that goes back hundreds of years is just another word for publicity or publicizing, e.g. "Bob was advertising his affair with Jane." But in the modern world, it is usually used for businesses, who usually pay for the ad (but not always, as on Wikipedia).

Example

Note on a fencepost "Hay for sale. Inquire at MacDonald's farm" - that's an ad. If it was in a newspaper, it would be called a classified ad. If it was painted on the side of a barn or a special large board, it would be called a billboard ad. If it was on the radio, it would be called a radio ad. All it has to be is a communication from a business (or similar) publicizing the availability of something for sale. Adding in prices only makes it "even more" of an ad. Adding in even more products available for sale - even more of an ad. Of course if a reliable source third party, notes that something is available for sale or mentions the price for some reason other than to sell the product, then it is not an ad. It might be part of marketing or promotion if the "reliable source" is just mimicking a press-release or similar. But it's not an ad. Straight from the seller - it's an ad by definition. Not from the seller, i.e. not from the primary source, then we have to use our judgement, but it is usually clear when a newspaper or website is just filling space with a press release (Promotion, marketing, or public relations - all of which are forbidden as sources in WP:NOT). Seems pretty straightforward to me. Smallbones_(smalltalk) 19:06, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Smallbones I would be happy to move the WP:Prices to WP:Prices and product lists if that helped, and if you supported other things like WP:NOPRICES redirecting to that.

I could put the "essay" template on it but it is not really an essay, because it does not advocate for any particular opinion. I hoped that the page could be a collection of discussions on the topic.

My interest in this is drug prices, which I think is different from other products. The prices that consumers pay for drugs is not largely determined by the company providing the drugs. In the United States it is determined by insurance, in other rich countries the government sets the price in most cases, and in poor countries there is a mix of government regulation and market forces. Some people have said that prices are not straightforward for drugs. Also - drug prices have a strong relationship with availability. It is possible for a Wikipedia article to say "This is the standard drug used to treat this condition", but if the Wikipedia article on that drug neglects to mention that the drug is impossible to afford (often the case in the developing world) then the article is lacking critical information and its usefulness is compromised.

Related primary information from a database might be "Drug not available in these countries", for example, many countries ban painkillers routinely available in the United States, or some European countries prohibit drugs which America's lax safety laws allow. In the case of drugs, pricing is more of an availability issue than just marketing.

I completely agree with you about promotion but drug prices almost never would be promotional. In fact, I think practically all companies would wish to suppress the distribution of pricing data because the variability is so bewildering.

Would you be satisfied by my moving the title and appending the essay template? I do not know of much precedent of what I am trying to do here - aggregate discussions. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

All I can say now is that you've really thrown me for a loop here - this is nothing like what I thought you were talking about.

The first thing you have to do is decide what WP:PRICES is. It's not a policy or a guideline (yet), it's not a wikiproject or a talk page. So please find a normal slot that it fits into. Essay is the best that I can think of right now.

Drug prices, and their use on Wikipedia, are indeed very different from the normal use of prices here. Probably the main difference is that reliable sources often report on them in the news. Off the top of my head, there was the old drug that had its price raised by xxxx% a couple of weeks ago, there is the continuing story about US citizens ordering drugs from Canada or other reimporting programs. Price discrimination probably makes the AARP Journal every other month. Health Economics journals must have tons of material. The source you gave at http://erc.msh.org/mainpage.cfm?file=1.0.htm&module=DMP&language=English looks good. So you don't need to look for a reason to mention individual drug prices. I think what WP:NOT is getting at is mainly lists of prices - but in effect it's now about lists of products (with or without prices), since even on Wikipedia prices change too often to be listed en masse.

BTW the article Prescription drug prices in the United States looks like it could be updated.

Also databases are not necessarily primary sources - it depends who is collecting the data.

Perhaps @Doc James: would care to comment? I am usually in over my head when it comes to medical articles.

Maybe we could use an very expanded version WP:Business as a guideline or policy to clarify what can and cannot be reported in article on businesses.

So I'm just making random comments now - I don't know what to tell you except put WP:PRICES into a format that people can identify (i.e. which slot does it fit into?). Smallbones_(smalltalk) 03:17, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

It states "unless there is a source and a justified reason for the mention". That is sufficient. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 07:18, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

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Teddy's old fashioned blue raspberry soda

I bought this bottle of soda just so I could share it with you, Lane. Cheers. Brianhe (talk) 03:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Brianhe Thank you for sharing! We live in an amazing age of flavors and colors. See you soon in Seattle. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:47, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Question about Resolution for SVG files

Please note: This is an SVG. Per WP:WIAFP on SVG files: "Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality."

So doesn't that mean the SVG file is good to go?

Please help clarify your thoughts on this for me.

Thank you,

— Cirt (talk) 20:32, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Try looking at this in a "show preview" = [[File:Digestive system diagram en.svg|4000px]]. Because it is an SVG file, the quality still looks quite high quality to me, even blown up to that big an image. Can you explain your thoughts on SVG to me and why we should not follow WP:WIAFP when it says "Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality." ??? Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 20:35, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Yes, Bluerasberry, I had another look at the standards as described at the Featured Picture criteria page. The criteria state, specifically for SVG files as an exception: "Note that vector graphics in SVG format can have a nominal size much smaller than this, as by their nature they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality." This is not a JPG file. It is an SVG file. Because it is in SVG format, it looks the same high quality when blown up to very very large sizes. Please re-evaluate your position at the FPC page. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 20:42, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Please note the specific part where the criteria state: "SVG format ... they can be infinitely scaled without loss of quality." Please note the word INFINITELY. Surely INFINITE is a big enough number??? — Cirt (talk) 20:45, 12 October 2015 (UTC)