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Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019

Facto Post – Issue 21 – 28 February 2019
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What is a systematic review?

Systematic reviews are basic building blocks of evidence-based medicine, surveys of existing literature devoted typically to a definite question that aim to bring out scientific conclusions. They are principled in a way Wikipedians can appreciate, taking a critical view of their sources.

PRISMA flow diagram for a systematic review

Ben Goldacre in 2014 wrote (link below) "[...] : the "information architecture" of evidence based medicine (if you can tolerate such a phrase) is a chaotic, ad hoc, poorly connected ecosystem of legacy projects. In some respects the whole show is still run on paper, like it's the 19th century." Is there a Wikidatan in the house? Wouldn't some machine-readable content that is structured data help?

File:Schittny, Facing East, 2011, Legacy Projects.jpg
2011 photograph by Bernard Schittny of the "Legacy Projects" group

Most likely it would, but the arcana of systematic reviews and how they add value would still need formal handling. The PRISMA standard dates from 2009, with an update started in 2018. The concerns there include the corpus of papers used: how selected and filtered? Now that Wikidata has a 20.9 million item bibliography, one can at least pose questions. Each systematic review is a tagging opportunity for a bibliography. Could that tagging be reproduced by a query, in principle? Can it even be second-guessed by a query (i.e. simulated by a protocol which translates into SPARQL)? Homing in on the arcana, do the inclusion and filtering criteria translate into metadata? At some level they must, but are these metadata explicitly expressed in the articles themselves? The answer to that is surely "no" at this point, but can TDM find them? Again "no", right now. Automatic identification doesn't just happen.

Actually these questions lack originality. It should be noted though that WP:MEDRS, the reliable sources guideline used here for health information, hinges on the assumption that the usefully systematic reviews of biomedical literature can be recognised. Its nutshell summary, normally the part of a guideline with the highest density of common sense, allows literature reviews in general validity, but WP:MEDASSESS qualifies that indication heavily. Process wonkery about systematic reviews definitely has merit.

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Women’s History Wikithon, Washington State History Museum, Saturday 3/9

Come document women's history in Washington state!
 Women’s History Wikithon
Washington State History Museum in Tacoma, WA
FREE. Please register in advance. Includes museum admission and snacks; please bring a sack lunch plus a laptop.

Scholars and interested citizens are invited to come together for an afternoon of collaboration to create or improve Wikipedia pages related to Washington State’s suffrage history. Learn from seasoned “Wikipedians” how to edit wiki pages, and work in small groups with women’s history experts. Honor Women’s History Month by updating our reference materials to reflect the dedicated work of Washington’s women suffragists. Bring a brown bag lunch, we’ll provide snacks. Hosted by Washington State Historical Society.

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Please comment on Talk:1976 Tangshan earthquake

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Saylor Academy

Greetings, Bluerasberry! Since you are the coordinator of WikiProject Open Access, I was curious if you could help me with something. I have been working on Wikipedia to help update articles related to MicroStrategy and its founder, Michael J. Saylor. Per Wikipedia rules of engagement, I make suggestions on article discussion pages rather than directly edit articles where I have a conflict of interest. With that, I created a new draft of the article for Saylor Academy, a nonprofit offering free and open online courses. You can see my request at Talk:Saylor_Academy#New_draft_available. I have sought out editors at WikiProject Open, WikiProject Education, WikiProject Organizations, WikiProject Technology, WikiProject Universities, and WikiProject Books, to no avail. Might you be available to look at this request or advise me on other places I could reach editors interested in open access and education? I appreciate any help or feedback!

Regards,

Andrewggordon84 (talk) 15:07, 12 March 2019 (UTC)

@Andrewggordon84: Normal turnaround time is about 2 years. You can endear yourself to the Wikipedia community by having these organizations edit articles in their field of expertise rather than starting by adding promotional content. That is a theory - no organization has ever actually done that.
So far as I know among millions of similar attempts, the success rate for what you are attempting is solidly 0%. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:07, 13 March 2019 (UTC)
Greetings, Bluerasberry! Thanks for responding. The intent here is not to add promotional content, but to improve the article by adding better sources and update outdated content. Six of the Saylor Academy article's seven references are less-than-ideal sources. If you saw anything in particular that you found promotional, I'm absolutely willing to trim my proposal. I appreciate your time!
Regards,
Andrewggordon84 (talk) 15:05, 14 March 2019 (UTC)
I have heard this 10,000 times before, and 1000 others have heard these stories as many times. If you want to be different then I told you what to do. Thanks, good luck. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:53, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Plate Tectonics Revolution

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Beer Sommelier

Hello Blue Raspberry

You deleted two small additions of mine and completely deleted the education and certification section I understand that Wikipedia should not promote a business but how do you propose this section should be on the page. Omitting every mention of education and certification demeans the usefulness of the page. I'm sure there are many mentions of businesses in wikipedia and they seem to be allowed. Please direct me how this should be done while still conforming to the rules.

On another note - you deleted a mention of the Guild of Beer Sommeliers. This does not offer any education or certification and does not operate as a profit-making business. (membership is free to qualified members) and runs as a guild representing a profession.

I would like to add it but don't want to have it deleted continually. I am reaching out to you so I can work within the guidelines but want to improve this page.

Thank you for any help

Firebuild — Preceding unsigned comment added by Firebuild (talk • contribs) 19:24, 18 September 2018 (UTC)

Nvm

Talk Nliz 17:10, 9 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nliz (talk • contribs)

Interesting Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Nliz_and_bot_accounts. Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:07, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Since you seem interested in this...

Take a look at User:Headbomb/New at the Signpost. It should be more intelligible than the stuff in the WT:NEWSROOM summary.

Very open to feedback (and general support to have this published). Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:14, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Academic Journals/Journals cited by Wikipedia/Questionable1

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Grant proposal review request

Please look at a grant proposal written recently for San Diego Wikimedians User Group. Please review/edit/endorse the proposal as you see fit.--RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 02:24, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks I supported. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:41, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Regarding ticket:2019041510008351, what was the date of the document's issuance? Thanks, AzureCitizen (talk) 23:29, 15 April 2019 (UTC)

I replied on the talk page and would talk more there if necessary or at WP:Identity verification. This conversation is happening in a few places already. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 00:42, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:WikiProject Vallarta Botanical Gardens

Wikipedia:WikiProject Vallarta Botanical Gardens, a page which you created or substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; you may participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Vallarta Botanical Gardens and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Wikipedia:WikiProject Vallarta Botanical Gardens during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Jc86035 (talk) 14:53, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019

Facto Post – Issue 23 – 30 April 2019
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Completely clouded?
Cloud computing logo

Talk of cloud computing draws a veil over hardware, but also, less obviously but more importantly, obscures such intellectual distinction as matters most in its use. Wikidata begins to allow tasks to be undertaken that were out of easy reach. The facility should not be taken as the real point.

Coming in from another angle, the "executive decision" is more glamorous; but the "administrative decision" should be admired for its command of facts. Think of the attitudes ad fontes, so prevalent here on Wikipedia as "can you give me a source for that?", and being prepared to deal with complicated analyses into specified subcases. Impatience expressed as a disdain for such pedantry is quite understandable, but neither dirty data nor false dichotomies are at all good to have around.

Issue 13 and Issue 21, respectively on WP:MEDRS and systematic reviews, talk about biomedical literature and computing tasks that would be of higher quality if they could be made more "administrative". For example, it is desirable that the decisions involved be consistent, explicable, and reproducible by non-experts from specified inputs.

What gets clouded out is not impossibly hard to understand. You do need to put together the insights of functional programming, which is a doctrinaire and purist but clearcut approach, with the practicality of office software. Loopless computation can be conceived of as a seamless forward march of spreadsheet columns, each determined by the content of previous ones. Very well: to do a backward audit, when now we are talking about Wikidata, we rely on integrity of data and its scrupulous sourcing: and clearcut case analyses. The MEDRS example forces attention on purge attempts such as Beall's list.

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A barnstar for you!

The Original Barnstar
Thanks for putting together a great Wikidata program! Winelibrarian (talk) 14:35, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

Thanks for participating in #CiteNLM!

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music/Music genres task force/Colours

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May 22: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

May 22, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

Featuring this month a presentation by Interference Archive guests, and a group discussion on the role of activist archives and building wiki content based on ephemeral publications and oral histories.

To close off the night, we'll also have Wikidojo - a group collaborative writing activity / vaudeville!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 17:09, 16 May 2019 (UTC)

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Facto Post – Issue 24 – 17 May 2019

Facto Post – Issue 24 – 17 May 2019
Text mining display of noun phrases from the US Presidential Election 2012
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Semantic Web and TDM – a ContentMine view

Two dozen issues, and this may be the last, a valediction at least for a while.

It's time for a two-year summation of ContentMine projects involving TDM (text and data mining).

Wikidata and now Structured Data on Commons represent the overlap of Wikimedia with the Semantic Web. This common ground is helping to convert an engineering concept into a movement. TDM generally has little enough connection with the Semantic Web, being instead in the orbit of machine learning which is no respecter of the semantic. Don't break a taboo by asking bots "and what do you mean by that?"

The ScienceSource project innovates in TDM, by storing its text mining results in a Wikibase site. It strives for compliance of its fact mining, on drug treatments of diseases, with an automated form of the relevant Wikipedia referencing guideline MEDRS. Where WikiFactMine set up an API for reuse of its results, ScienceSource has a SPARQL query service, with look-and-feel exactly that of Wikidata's at query.wikidata.org. It also now has a custom front end, and its content can be federated, in other words used in data mashups: it is one of over 50 sites that can federate with Wikidata.

The human factor comes to bear through the front end, which combines a link to the HTML version of a paper, text mining results organised in drug and disease columns, and a SPARQL display of nearby drug and disease terms. Much software to develop and explain, so little time! Rather than telling the tale, Facto Post brings you ScienceSource links, starting from the how-to video, lower right.

ScienceSourceReview, introductory video: but you need run it from the original upload file on Commons
Links for participation

The review tool requires a log in on sciencesource.wmflabs.org, and an OAuth permission (bottom of a review page) to operate. It can be used in simple and more advanced workflows. Examples of queries for the latter are at d:Wikidata_talk:ScienceSource project/Queries#SS_disease_list and d:Wikidata_talk:ScienceSource_project/Queries#NDF-RT issue.

Please be aware that this is a research project in development, and may have outages for planned maintenance. That will apply for the next few days, at least. The ScienceSource wiki main page carries information on practical matters. Email is not enabled on the wiki: use site mail here to Charles Matthews in case of difficulty, or if you need support. Further explanatory videos will be put into commons:Category:ContentMine videos.

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Merger discussion for Collection of unused drugs

An article that you have been involved in editing—Collection of unused drugs—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Spyder212 (talk) 00:52, 12 June 2019 (UTC)

How to watch all pages and talk pages under a given URL prefix

Re: "Need new filter to watch all pages and talk pages under a given URL prefix" (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Uywbw1ai8bq8jpxp) I'd love to understand and help share the techniques you noted there. Cheers. ★NealMcB★ (talk) 18:41, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

@Nealmcb: That means the function in this example, right? d:Wikidata:Scholia#Subpages You have some project space, then this tool identifies when a new page appears in it. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:50, 14 June 2019 (UTC)

Please comment on Wikipedia:Naming conventions (US stations)/NYC Subway RfC

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Help updating Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center

I saw you're a member of WP:Hospitals and I was wondering if you had a minute to review some changes I proposed on the MSKCC talk page. The talk page seems rather inactive lately, and I have a paid COI, so I'm refraining from editing the article directly. They're mostly minor changes but I'd appreciate it if you could take a look!--FacultiesIntact (talk) 23:36, 17 June 2019 (UTC)

June 19: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (stay tuned for Pride on weekend!)

June 19, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 05:36, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

Stay tuned for details om next event!
Sunday Jun 23: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

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Gender labels

Just a heads up: I moved your draft at Bluerasberry/gender labels to User:Bluerasberry/gender labels, since it appeared misplaced. Happy editing! --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 19:11, 19 June 2019 (UTC)

On naming conventions

Oddly for encyclopedia it's rather challenging to organize past discussions in project space. Thanks for drawing my attention to the summary table at Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Gender identity; it's excellent, probably the best example I'm seen of that, but I can also appreciate how much work went into it (also, the question of gender identity is infinitely more important than naming subway stations, but I'm only engaged in the latter discussion). I attempted a similar approach during a particularly difficult AfD which turned in large part on sourcing: Wikipedia talk:Articles for deletion/Gregory Creswell. I don't know how much this discussion would have benefitted from such summaries.

The dividing line for the present discussion is the adoption of the WP:USSTATION guideline. Before, there were discussions about the appropriateness of the local consensus in favor of preemptive parenthetical disambiguation. In the absence of a directly-applicable guideline, people could point at core policies that said don't do that, but there wasn't an alternative naming principle and everyone agreed that renaming individual articles without one would create chaos. Nothing much came of them. Post-WP:USSTATION there was a principle, and so the question narrowed to whether and how to apply that guideline to New York City Subway articles. From a policy standpoint it's clear as day to me, but (as you've perhaps seen) there are local project participants who resent the intrusion. To make a possibly inappropriate comparison, it's rather like Gallicanism vs. Ultramontanism. Mackensen (talk) 02:21, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Sunday June 23: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

June 23, 12:30pm: Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Wiki Loves Pride @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Togethe, we'll create new and expand existing Wikipedia articles on LGBT artists and artworks with LGBT themes in the Met collection!

With refreshments, and a special museum tour in the afternoon!

And there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

See also the global Wiki Loves Pride photo contest, as well as the Met's online LGBT Art Writing Contest, and also the LGBT Health Writing Contest.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
(note this is just south of the main entrance)

This is the fifth annual Wiki Loves Pride edit-a-thon supported by Wikimedia NYC! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 16:29, 22 June 2019 (UTC)

Stay tuned for details on next event!
Sunday July 14: Great American Wiknic @ Roosevelt Island

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Mention in upcoming issue of The Signpost

Just wanted you to know your name is included in a report about FRAMBAN in the upcoming issue of The Signpost. If you have any comments you can leave them on my talkpage or other Signpost official channels. ☆ Bri (talk) 18:56, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

WikiCite

Hi, I know you're busy with lots of things right now. I was in DC a few days ago speaking to Andrew Lih, Rob Fernandez and Jim Hayes. I asked about WikiCite and they all said that you'd be the one to know what are the latest developments (if there are any). When I last heard, WikiCite people had come up with 3 ways to go forward, and things seemed to have stopped there. Any additional news? - kosboot (talk) 16:19, 26 June 2019 (UTC)

is the election article submitted

User:Bluerasberry/2019 ASBS results: Revision history I'll try to copyedit it in a fewSmallbones(smalltalk) 05:26, 30 June 2019 (UTC)

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Sunday July 14: Annual NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Roosevelt Island

July 14, 2-7pm: Annual NYC Wiki-Picnic @ Roosevelt Island

You are invited to join us at the "picnic anyone can edit" in the lovely Southpoint Park on Roosevelt Island, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

This year the Wiknic will double as a "Strategy Salon" (more information at Wiknic page), using open space technology to address major questions facing our social movement.

2–7pm - come by any time!
Our picnicking area is at Southpoint Park, south of the tram and subway, and also just south of the Cornell Tech campus.
Look for us by the Wikipedia / Wikimedia NYC banner!

Celebrate our 13th year of wiki-picnics! We hope to see you there! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 21:35, 6 July 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Office actions

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Wikimania - the Stockholm whole day and social-group tour on the 15th

Hey, how are you? I just earlier signed up for tours in Stockholm on the 14th and saw there weren't many people signing yet. I then actually thought of asking you here if you arrive again this year, and whether you take some tours as well? Then I saw on the 15th the whole-day organized one-by-one tours, more so (than the 14th) designed to gather as one group to further help meet more people, and where I also saw few people I know, including finding you registered to this day. But there they limit to just 30 people! And I'm already number 17 on the wait list, in addition to the 30! Most of them probably on scholarships and knew early about this to register quickly. Anyway I saw you there too which only adds to my desire to join this thoroughly-organized and interesting day. Do you have any contacts with organizers or idea if they plan more groups with more guides in parallel? It's impossible and sucks to limit to 30 when it's so obvious much more of the hundreds attending will also like to join this - both for the comprehensive sightseeing and for meeting or see again familiar faces to hang out with. Please let me know if you know something. I will also try contacting people from WMF. But for now I had to tell you I really want to come to this and that I saw you are going, and if that remains the situation - for only 30, it's really frustrating. On the positive original note which I wanted to write you to begin with - I'm very glad to know you arrive, will be happy to see you again! אומנות (talk) 22:21, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

@אומנות: At wmania:2019 talk:Related activities/Culture Crawl I posted a message about splitting the groups. Let's see what they say.
Yes, good to see you again at this event and glad you are still engaged a bit in wiki. There are always bumps with these volunteer efforts. See you in a few weeks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:15, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
Thank you very much! I thought of posting myself on the talk there if someone doesn't respond the next days. You saved me the effort also as I thought of turning to specific organizers for more attention but wasn't sure who. Although, following Eric Luth conference-email, I wrote him too about this, last night. It's also that my registration can't even be seen regularly, after I registered along with my comment of hoping to create more groups. When I entered afterwards to this day-tours+registration page, it only shows 2 more registrations on the waiting list for the Royal Djurgården Culture Crawl and 15 on the waiting list for the Old Town Culture Crawl. Only when I go to "edit source" for the specific registration sections, and then go back to the general page display - it shows all current 7 on the waiting list for the first, and 18 (when I'm number 17) on the waiting list for the second tour. Thanks again for writing there. Can you also tell me if you see all registrations, or just the 2 waiting for the first, and 15 for the second? אומנות (talk) 13:50, 15 July 2019 (UTC)

Your guidance for a UBC course instructor

If your time permits, please review this history concerning this student 'edit-a-thon'. The focus of the numerous student editors - under the instructor's encouragement - is to excerpt Canadian regulations on food manufacturing and labeling, then insert mostly the same content and government regulation sources into dozens of food articles, often out of context or with minor relevance. Despite the instructor's claim of student learning, the contributions over 3 years are duplicative, narrow, and frequently off topic using the same source, that 'accomplishment' in the class seems only to post Wikipedia edits in 'edit-a-thons', most of which have been reverted by other editors and me. It appears the instructor would benefit from a structured guide on teaching students to contribute more constructively. Many thanks. --Zefr (talk) 13:25, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Zefr These are cool contributions for 3 years in a subject about which I care. Thanks, I posted on the user's talk page. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:38, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Lots of stuff in the news

about Wikipedia and India (of course) but this one looked ok to me [1] Smallbones(smalltalk) 16:06, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

I've finished my editing of User:Bluerasberry/2019 asbs commentary. Please check that I haven't changed any meaning (just removed wordiness and unclear phrases) and move it to the Op-ed column for the next issue when you're ready. A final copyedit by somebody fresh will then be the last step before publishing. Thanks. Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:26, 21 July 2019 (UTC)
@Smallbones: Thanks for your copyediting. I would like to request a delay of 1-3 months here. I regret making a delay after you have copyedited something but I think accuracy is best for this, and other people want some input here. At Wikimania there will be a discussion as documented at wmania:2019:ASBS Feedback and the notes from that public discussion should inform this article. Thanks a lot, my apologies for the haste, and please let's meet in other parts of this month's issue. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:20, 22 July 2019 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Wikipedia:Misconduct

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Abhinav srivastava

I was just reading Open Letter to Affiliations Committee : Wikimedia India's Demand For A Fair And Transparent Hearing by Abhinav srivastava. Who is Abhinav srivastava? Does he speak for Wikimedia India? --Guy Macon (talk) 03:39, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

@Guy Macon: As much as anyone else, this person speaks for Wikimedia India. I have known him to be an even tempered reasonable person for some years. He is not someone who would direct the organization, but is a board member who administers it through a trustee relationship in volunteer capacity. He cares a lot and has the respect of many peers.
Wikimedia India has the most diverse Wikimedia community with active projects in 10+ languages, most of which are unable to communicate with each other across language barriers. Wikimedia India primarily speaks in the languages of India.
I regret to say that there is a lot to unpack here. The journalism would interest anyone but neither that nor much English language documentation exists to be read. I could answer questions. Abhinav wishes for general conversation where people talk among themselves more than he wants to be a single point of representation for everything. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:54, 29 July 2019 (UTC)

time's up Signpost July 2019

I noticed your edits at News & Notes. I'm starting to publish so, to prevent edit conflicts, please cease. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:25, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

@Chris troutman: Acknowledged I am done. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:49, 31 July 2019 (UTC)

India, etc.

Your upcoming piece is very interesting and brings me up to speed on a couple of issues. One is that it was I who brought the emerging catastrophe of the IEP to the WMF's notice but they refused to see the writing on the wall until it was to late (I even offered to go there at my own cost with my knowledge of the country and regional culture, and sort things out, but no, a band of staff fom the SF bureau bounced onto a Boeing for another and ineffective junket to an exotic part of Asia). I ended by coordinating the massive mopping up of the damage , as Voceditenore and others will well remember (but not the financial scandals and dubious WMF hirings surrounding it).

OTOH, what dismays me is the tight-fistedness of the Foundation that is getting ever tighter despite enormous growth in reserves of funds. Just as an example, concomitant with this growth the WMF could easily afford now to triple the number of scholarships to Wikimania and/or fund more thematic and policy meetings for regular users in an effort to fully engage the communities in the decision making processes. (FYI: Guy Macon, Risker). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:38, 28 July 2019 (UTC).

You have read my opinion on WMF spending at WP:CANCER, right?
Fast forward to 2039: "Remember Wikipedia? It was so cool back before GoogleFacebookInfowars bought it out at the bankruptcy sale and started selling exclusive rights to edit certain Wikipedia pages. I bet those idiots who pissed away all of that money in the 2010s and 2020s are kicking themselves now." --Guy Macon (talk) 08:59, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Of course I've read it. Many times. You know I have ;) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 09:10, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Sorry for being unclear. It was more of a rhetorical than a serious question. Let me just say this: while my focus is on overall spending increases rather than individual expenditures, There is a strong sentiment among some editors that the WMF should not be spending $2.2 million USD per year on travel and conferences, $2.7 million USD per year on special event expenses, and $11.3 million USD per year on awards and grants.
Regarding the Signpost page in question, I would be interested in reading more about the stated reasons (if any) for derecognizing Wikimedia India as a Wikimedia movement affiliate. Has any official source confirmed the claim at [2] that the "Wikimedia India Chapter is to be de-recognized by WMF and shut down, from September 14, 2019, for the inability of the community to abide by Foundation requirements and lack of leadership"? --Guy Macon (talk) 09:37, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
@Guy Macon: There are two sources of information - meta:Talk:Wikimedia India and private unpublished emails. A reform which I would like is for an AffCom requirement that official warnings, such as for noncompliance or to inform about a potential future suspension, be published. We do have a communication gap here as this is a matter which concerns everyone but the emails are private. I expect that WM India would want the emails public if the WMF would allow them to be so, and that the dynamic here is WMF seeking privacy not the wiki community. Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Let's be clear on this Guy, my concern is the huge WMF budget for travel junkets for themselves. Which makes Wikimania, for example, basically just a WMF showcase. I know - I've attended enough Wikimanias. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
I am with you 100% on that. Do we have a full accounting of how much any Wikimania anywhere cost the donors? I seem to recall some promises (from the Germans?) to do just that but I don't know if they actually did it. --Guy Macon (talk) 12:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
Wikimanias are funded by the WMF. That is, they hand a lump sum to the organisers who do what they want with it. They are supposed to account for it after the event but I've never seen a balance sheet published. AFAIK, Hong Kong never provided a reckoning at all despite repeated requests. Conspiracy theory: as long as the WMF staff get luxury hotel accommodation and evening meals... Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:56, 28 July 2019 (UTC)
  • In these and many other collaboration attempts, culture clashes have been routine. While difficult to summarize briefly, a common theme is people resident in India objecting to the influence of foreign people outside the culture taking a United States-scale salary to design and operate programs in India's economy. - Can you (Blue-raspberry) elucidate, kindly, if possible/feasible? I have followed the internal affairs for some time and can't see that as a very prominent locus behind these complex power-dynamics. Regards, ~ Winged BladesGodric 15:01, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
@Winged Blades of Godric: Thanks for the feedback. I could talk it through but this article needs to be short. I made space for a one-sentence problem explanation, when this is not a one-sentence problem. I will cut this statement and put something less debateable here. If you have ideas then post or just edit. For this article I want uncontroversial statements of fact. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:11, 29 July 2019 (UTC)
You did good enough:-)
I was inclined to open some threads about this fracas but was not motivated enough.
WMIN had been practically as good as a non-existent entity for the last few years with most India-related-wiki-business getting shifted to CIS. The institution is collectively non-transparent and seem to encourage nothing but back-patting each other in the public mailing lists.
I raised two queries after this news broke out but were ignored in entirety. If you want specific details of other imp, stuff, you can email me but be very certain at any case, that WMIN is hardly as innocent as their office-bearers collectively pretend to be. ∯WBGconverse 16:09, 1 August 2019 (UTC)

Category:Autism in relation to empathy

Here you removed the Category:Autism from the Empathy article, but empathy significantly concerns the autism topic. Because of this, the category includes the Empathizing–systemizing theory and Empathy quotient articles. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:14, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Flyer22 Reborn: I started a heading if you want to talk it through at Talk:Empathy#Removed_category:autism or copy/paste what you say here to that more public forum. This seems like a discussion of general interest, right? Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:41, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
I thought about taking it to the talk page and to WP:Med, but I didn't see the need to do so. I wanted to know specifically why you removed it, given what I stated above. I'll repeat there on the article's talk page what I stated above and ask a followup question. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:44, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Fringe theories/Noticeboard#Empathizing–systemizing theory. --Guy Macon (talk) 21:26, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

Abuse classifier

Lane: Read about your paper in The Signpost's Recent research column. Very interesting project, and I'd like to know more. One quick question -- in the paper's summary, it says "Our best abuse detection model, using XGBoost Classifier, gives us an AUC of ~84%." But in the UVA slide deck, it puts the AUC in the 90s ([ https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Automatic_Detection_of_Online_Abuse_in_Wikipedia.pdf&page=19 (slide)]], 91.60% highlighted). Am I missing something here? ☆ Bri (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

@Bri: There is a discrepancy and you are not missing anything.
The original paper reports 84% and so does the poster. I see that the slide reports 91%, and the video at 15 minutes also reports 91%. With the statement in the video this number seems thoughtfully published so I am not sure what 74 represents versus 91.
By best quick answer is that I do not know. This was a fun project and I hope to do another iteration of it in January 2020 with lessons learned and more documentation of its parts to prevent misunderstanding like this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:45, 10 August 2019 (UTC)

Seattle Wiknic 2019
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Saturday Sept 7: Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

Sept 7, 12:30pm: Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for Met Fashion Edit-a-thon @ Metropolitan Museum of Art on the Upper East Side. Together, we'll expand Wikipedia:WikiProject Fashion topics for basic clothing types that can be illustrated by the Met collection, and also past Costume Institute exhibitions!

It's the last weekend for Camp: Notes on Fashion, and we will have an intro talk to the exhibit by a guest from the Costume Institute, and participants will then be able to visit it on their own. Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm.

With refreshments, and there will be a wiki-cake!

Open to everyone at all levels of experience, wiki instructional workshop and one-on-one support will be provided.

12:30pm - 4:30 pm at Uris Center for Education, Metropolitan Museum of Art (81st Street entrance) at 1000 Fifth Avenue, Manhattan
(note this is just south of the main entrance)
Galleries will be open this evening until 9 pm, and some wiki-visitors may wish to take this opportunity to see Camp: Notes on Fashion together after the formal event.

Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends, colleagues and students! --Wikimedia New York City Team 19:37, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

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Please comment on Talk:List of the Cenozoic life of Washington (state)

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I replied. Blue Rasberry (talk) 12:31, 14 September 2019 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Sydney Ember

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Empty bio of a young, perfectly ordinary beat reporter. No evidence of major stories broken or covered, no journalism prizes, or a career, even, as she's apparently in her mid-twenties.

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August 28: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC (+editathons before and after)

August 28, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC

You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our monthly "WikiWednesday" evening salon (7-9pm) and knowledge-sharing workshop at Metropolitan New York Library Council in Midtown Manhattan. Is there a project you'd like to share? A question you'd like answered? A Wiki* skill you'd like to learn? Let us know by adding it to the agenda.

Featuring this month a review of the recent Wikimania 2019 conference in Sweden!

We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming edit-a-thons, museum and library projects, education initiatives, and other outreach activities.

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Metropolitan New York Library Council (8th floor) at 599 11th Avenue, Manhattan
(note this month we will be meeting in Midtown Manhattan, not at Babycastles)

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Wikimedia New York City Team 17:57, 27 August 2019 (UTC)

Edit-a-thons at Interference Archive and The Met

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Please comment on Wikipedia talk:Categorization

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Open access expansion

Hi, I integrated the article with a published overview of some hot topics, so that we can reflect better what people are interested in and provide avenues to learn more (from the ample set of references). I tried to massage the text for coherence and NPOV but I'm sure a second look can easily find something more that needs doing. Nemo 10:54, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Citation Barnstar
Thank you so much for your insights and guidance on Wikidata with "Women Writers in Review". There is still a long way to go with entering the data, but the modeling is now clear in my mind. Rosiestep (talk) 20:38, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
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