User talk:RHaworth/2015 Dec 21

Ten Years

On 2015 Jan 1, I joined the Wikipedia Ten Year Society.
Will I make it for another ten?

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The Knowledge Centre for Agriculture Deletion

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Sandbox reset

Hello I have noticed that you recently cleared my sandbox due for the reason that it was a "promotion only" page. However, I oppose this point because I was working on a barebones sketch of what could have eventually become a draft. Since nobody view sandboxes for information purposes anyway, I see absolutely no reason for this edit. I'd like to continue working on drafts in my sandbox as I have no other place to do so over the span of several days rather than one; I have no time to finish a draft in one day. Please excuse this. — AnonymousMusician (talk) 12:53, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

• I tend to agree with Widefox's assessment that you are a spam-only account. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 17:14, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

I have conversed with Widefox and they have more or less cleared my name. Apparently there were overlapping article edits and I was therefore assumed to be part of an organized group of editors. I hereby request that you restore my sandbox, or at least have your consent to paste the work-in-progress quasi-draft back in (I have it in my notes for occasions such as this). —AnonymousMusician (talk) 00:12, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Update: I have found out about userspace drafts, which from what I have read are made FOR drafting. While I am not a spam account, I understand that I violated the sandbox policy, and I take back my request about rewriting the draft in my sandbox. I will try a userspace draft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AnonymousMusician (talk • contribs)

• I seem to be unfamiliar with current wiki nomenclature. Please explain the difference between "writing a draft in ones sandbox" and "creating a userspace draft". — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

I seem to have missed my ping, so late here...For the record, I have not "cleared your name", but taken you at your word User:AnonymousMusician. It is easy to be accidentally included in the sockfarm of promo editors around those music articles. I encourage you to use WP:AFC rather than user space for drafting as there's better support for new editors. Enjoy, Widefox; talk 23:55, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok thanks for the advice User:Widefox. Will do it next time. AnonymousMusician (talk) 02:00, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Nicole Hamilton

You speedy deleted Nicole hamilton as WP:A7 and WP:G12, but it's hard to understand how you decided it fit that criteria. The tiny fragment captured by Google Search indicates the article reported, "Nicole Hamilton is the the head in Hamilton Laboratories and owner of Hamilton C shell. She studied BS and MS from Stanford University and did her MBA from ..." We have an article on Hamilton C shell, which she wrote, and that certainly is at least some indication of importance, not what I think anyone would would expect satisfies WP:A7, "No indication of importance". And in that fragment, there was certainly no obvious WP:G7, "Unambiguous copyright infringment." The article has been requested at WP:Requested articles/Biography/By profession#Computer scientists with evidence she may meet WP:N per WP:CREATIVE and/or WP:ACADEMIC. My take is this should not have speedied and that if there were questions about notability, it should have gone to WP:AFD. I urge you to reconsider. Msnicki (talk) 04:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

• The lower case h in the title told me that I was dealing with an inexperienced editor. The absence of independent references confirmed that. I have emailed you the text. A properly referenced article might well stick. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:28, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for sending me the text. I agree this looks like the work of an inexperienced editor, possibly one for whom English is not a first language. I see there are a number of problems with the article, in addition to the lower case H. For example, the titles for her previous positions are garbled (translations of translations?) and it's somewhat out-of-date. She has 9 patents, not 7, and the line count is now reported as roughly 250,000, not 160,000. (But that's not this editor's fault; the referenced bio page is out-of-date compared to her CV.) But still, I think a credible assertion of notability has been made by identifying her as the author of a notable product about which we have an article. Our guidelines ask that we keep articles for which there are sources or other evidence (e.g., per WP:CREATIVE) supporting notability even if the sources have not been cited. We don't delete these articles, we fix them. I think this was not a valid A7 speedy deletion and certainly not a valid G12. It should have been moved to a correctly capitalized title and, if you still wanted it deleted, taken to AfD. Msnicki (talk) 15:33, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm trying to square your remark about the lower case H being evidence of a new user with Davidwr's impression [1] that you moved it to that title inside his sandbox and then to userspace, then deleted it. If accurate, that doesn't seem like the best way to treat a new editor, especially coming from an admin. Can you respond, please? Msnicki (talk) 19:45, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

(In response to a comment that appeared and then disappeared) I would like to clarify that I'm simply confused about the sequence of events and unable to look it up myself. So I truly don't know what happened. But in the end I think this was probably not a valid A7 nor a valid G12 either, no matter what the bot thought. The only thing I'm pretty sure is that this one should have gone to AfD, where I think it would have attracted some rescue efforts and the outcome would have been keep. Msnicki (talk) 20:58, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

• I have restored the lot to User:Sjoshi95/sandbox. Do with it what you will. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 22:13, 28 November 2015 (UTC)

Oulunkylän tekojäärata

You shouldn't have erased this. A sports arena which has held the final game in the world championship of a major sport is of course relevant for Wikipedia. — Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 01:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

• An article devoid of references is an insult. You could not even provide a {{coord}} link. I have moved it to User:Snowsuit Wearer/sandbox do not move it back until it is properly referenced. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 09:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

You don't have to become impolite just because you feel personally insulted by stub articles. Don't move things to my sandbox, you have no right to write in my sandbox. — Snowsuit Wearer (talk|contribs) 18:03, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

Filthy Frank

Hello, I was trying to find information on the Youtube celebrity Filthy Frank, but couldn't find anything due to its deletion on 29 April. Why was it deleted? Would I be able to retrieve the article? I'm interested in the topic as the man has several personas and it is difficult to verify whether or not Filthy Frank is one person or several people. Any assistance you could provide would be much appreciated. — 58.106.43.149 (talk) 10:10, 29 November 2015 (UTC)

• As you can see here, I usually refuse to talk to IP addresses. But in your case, I shall assume that you do not have an account. I have emailed you one state of the article. The most recent state consisted simply of: "Papa Franku. All praise the dark lord chinchin as he has done the world a great favor." — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 11:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Holding of Wrist Deletion

Earlier this month on the 14th you deleted the Holding of Wrist page that I created. If possible, I would like to be able to adjust the article to include the necessary information that got it speedily deleted in the first place. What brought me to write about Holding of Wrist in the first place was my belief that it is a growing organization that interacts with hundreds of thousands of people on various subjects related to mental health. I realize I'm still new to writing on Wikipedia and had read the rules and regulations before posting, but I must have missed something. I’d like to correct my error if that is possible. — MJcatitude (talk) 17:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

• I find your contribs history puzzling. I suspect you have a COI. But it is possible for you to correct your error. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:18, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

Western Ontario

Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/University of Western Ontario/Human Factors in Aviation (Fall 2015). I believe you expressed to the course leader some valid concerns about this course and, among other things, article titles. You may be interested in the thoughts I have placed on the course leader's talk page. We are seeing less than stellar outputs from this course at WP:AFC and please by students for help at WP:AFCHELP. IT looks as if 23 students who could and should be enjoying contributing to Wikipedia may become alienated by their experience here.

I'm not asking you for any action, exactly. This message is simply for your interest. Fiddle Faddle 12:32, 1 December 2015 (UTC)

This has become a rather one sided discussion here. Since you seem to be sweeping up a lot of the mess I wondered if you would like to contribute there. I would value your input. Fiddle Faddle 11:39, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

League of Nations (WWE) Deleted

Hello RHaworth. I was wondering why this page was deleted, even though this is a recent item. You might need to watch back WWE RAW dated on 30 November 2015. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robthesaxplayer (talk • contribs)

• What on earth does "watch back WWE RAW" mean? If you are wanting me to look at something on the web, did it cross your mind that providing a link might be a good idea? — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Sue.Molly

The nett effect of these edits was to remove a message from someone else. I realise that it was probably a mistake so I will not condemn you as a vandal. If you repeat your message properly and with proper links, I will reply. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

Samar Singh Virdi

Hello! My page Samar Singh Virdi was deleted on 00:12 (Indian Standard Time), 3rd December, 2015. They say that it was deleted because of lack of information. I want to add more information to it! So, I am requesting you to please restore my page! Thanks in Advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarthvohra (talk • contribs)

• Kindly have the decency to wait until someone with no CoI thinks you are notable and writes about you here. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 13:02, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

No col came and nothing happened. Useless! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarthvohra (talk • contribs) 10:08, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

• Samarthvohra, you are being a trifle impatient. When I said wait and especially given your age, it may be a matter of waiting two, three years or more. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Are u kidding me? I never thought wikipedia was this junk! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Samarthvohra (talk • contribs) 14:23, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Shahan Ali Mohsin

Hi - I would like to know why article Shahan Ali Mohsin has been deleted despite having clarified to the patrol, User:AKS.9955 that the source of the Hindustan Times article was a press release sent out by me and that I can furnish it if required. I don't understand why it isn't sufficient. I contested the deletion yet no response was provided before the article being deleted. When I am communicating with one contact point, how can someone else simply delete the article without referencing the talk article? Please clarify asap. Shuklasap

• It does not matter how the press release reached you. Copying it is a copyvio. I suspect you have a CoI so the best I can offer is that you raise the matter at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:23, 3 December 2015 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Shahan ali mohsin. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Shuklasap (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Page deletion help

Hi again, RHaworth, I am deeply sorry about this mistake I've made. If I deleted someone's message, it was not intentional, I did not even realize it, so I am sorry. I am simply trying to publish an article on Wikipedia and do it by the official guidelines.

You have recently deleted an article I wrote about caterwings, and I was wondering if I could get some information on why this deletion happened. I read Wikipedia guides and examples of similar articles that went live (such as ZeroCater and Deliveroo) and created my article accordingly. I do not have the link to the page any more, but what other links would you like me to send you?

As my sources, I looked on-line anything that was published about the topic I am writing about (the company, its service, and other similar companies) and used the ones that were reputable.

So I was wondering if you could help me figure out how I can fix whatever problem that led you to believe my article was not fit to be published and successfully contribute to Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue.Molly (talk • contribs) 09:08, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

• The shouted title predisposed me against the article before I even opened it. The refs did not impress me. So if, and absolutely only if, you have no CoI, feel free to raise the matter at deletion review making it clear that you will spell the company's name as CaterWings in any future article. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 14:18, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi again RHarwoth. Thank you for your help. I opened a discussion to have the deletion of the page reviewed and I will make the alteration you suggested. The code for it is {{subst:DRV2|CATERWINGS}} Sue.Molly Let me know if you have any further suggestions on how to improve my article. Thank you and have a great day! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sue.Molly (talk • contribs)

Wikipedia Education

After bumping into several education projects, good and not so good, I have started this Request for Comment to try to make the education programme even better. You are most cordially invited to participate. Fiddle Faddle 14:21, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Joseph Aldred

I created my first article on Wikipedia, called Joseph Aldred, but you deleted it. I don't quite understand why. I have references, etc. Bishop Dr Joseph Aldred is well-known in the UK, he wrote several books, hold very prestigious roles and has done significant work for both the Black community and the Christianity here. Please advise, what am I missing? -- Daparris (talk) 20:45, 4 December 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Daparris (talk • contribs) 17:39, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

• Daparris, no, you did not create an article called Joseph Aldred. You created an article four times on three different titles all of them "wrong" in one respect or another. Also your idea of references is a long way from Wikipedia's idea. If, and absolutely only if, you have no CoI, feel free to raise the matter at deletion review. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Charles Lewis Driggers

I need, at a minimum, a copy of the page/text you deleted under User:Charles Lewis Driggers. I understood from a different Wiki tech support person I need 10 edits in Wikipedia to be able to post the text you deleted....perhaps I should have completed the 10 edits prior to creating the page/text in 2014 that you deleted. FYI, In am in the process of completing the 10 edits...I thought I needed to reference myself (i.e. User: Charles Lewis Driggers) as the original source of information in order to get one credit for an edit. If possible, I would prefer you to restore the page/text at User:Charles Lewis Driggers having the original creation date in 2014. Please accept the 2014 creation date is important to me. I will momentarily remove the objectionable hyperlink from the "Shame" article I am amending. I think this should resolve the problem. I understand that I will then need to go back into each of my 10 Wikipedia edits to then insert a reference to myself as the original author...I am the author of whatever I write in Wikipedia. I just noticed that I also have an email from Wikipedia so I will copy/paste this text to a REPLY if I am able to REPLY to the message. I am new to Wikipedia and am still learning...you grumpy old man...I am old but not grumpy. :) Please respond to the email if that is possible; otherwise, I will check Wikipedia tomorrow for a message from you. Please advise. Charles Lewis Driggers (talk) 22:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

• I get the feeling that if you try to continue contributing to Wikipedia it will turn out to be an ongoing saga of clashes with pig-headed editors who cannot understand what you are trying to do. I strongly recommend you to turn your back on Wikipedia and start to improve your own, currently totally embryonic, website. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Expired PROD

Hello RHaworth, could you please delete expired PROD Charlie Horton (footballer). Thanks, JMHamo (talk) 23:31, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Disaster

Hello!! This is Rahuljeswin. My article 2015 Disaster in Chennai has been deleted. Please send me the text. Thanking you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rahuljeswin (talk • contribs) 07:48, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

• Done. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:47, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, plus

Thank you for this deletion, you grumpy old man – and I heartily hope that you will be around at least another ten years! Happy holidays! Paine  07:48, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Repeatedly recreated page

Hello RHaworth, you deleted page ArmHotels.am on A7 and G11. User has created the page again which I have marked for CSD. Can you please consider SALT as I am sure they will attempt to create the page again. Arun Kumar SINGH (Talk) 11:50, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Why Women's Police Stations

You have deleted Why Women's Police Stations. I do not object to the deletion but I notice that this article was related to Wikipedia:Wiki Ed/Louisiana State University/Intro to WGS Sec 1 (Fall 2015) which appears to be an educational project. Are there any special Wikipedia rules which apply to educational projects? If so, please give me a link. Biscuittin (talk) 13:31, 8 December 2015 (UTC)

Request to start a new article on same subject as deletion of Draft:Polystar

This page has been deleted. I wish to start it again - a new article - with different content. Can I go ahead and create one using this same URL? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Polystar Thank you in advance. Guy redmill (talk) 16:35, 8 December 2015 (UTC)