Talk:Salim Mehajer

Moved out of Auburn City Council

Selim is a notable Sydney identity, and has gained world-wide notoriety for a variety of things. He is definitely quite public figure in Australia, in particular the state of New South Wales. He was also the deputy-Mayor of one of Australia's most multicultural and fastest-growing LGAs, the City of Auburn. He and the Council were also suspended pending an investigation of a variety of issues, of which he was a key figure. - Letsbefiends (talk) 08:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

@Letsbefiends: If this articles text is 'coped' from 'Auburn City Council', I think we need a {{Copied}} template here. 220 of ^Borg 06:30, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks 220 - however I've rewritten it from scratch now. I wasn't aware of that template, thanks for pointing me to it! - Letsbefiends (talk) 06:39, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Coverage of his wedding

I'm going to add in the following:

In 2015, Mehajer came to wider public prominence in Australia and overseas after the marriage to his wife Aysha (formerly April Amelia Learmonth) was widely publicised in the media. The media focussed on Mehajer's manner of arrival, which involved flying in one of four helicopters then proceeding to the wedding in a fleet of luxury sports cars, and for his wedding video which was widely shown on media sites in Australia. He was later fined $220 for the unauthorized shutdown of Frances St in Lidcombe and for distributing a fake flyer warning residents that their cars would be towed if they interfered with the event.

Hopefully there will be no objections? - Letsbefiends (talk) 23:15, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Wrong article name

Apart from the dubious notability of the subject, why do you persist in placing the article under the name SELIM Mehajer? There seems no doubt that the correct and preferred spelling is SALIM. IF there is a place for this article (and that is a big "if"), it should be placed under the most commonly-used name per WP:COMMONNAME. WWGB (talk) 00:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

How is his notability dubious? Are you from Australia? The entire nation has a view on the man. Major daily newspapers such as The Daily Telegraph, The Australian and The Sydney Morning Herald have published numerous articles about him. He was a member of local government, which you may not think is notable except for the fact that he was the deputy Mayor of an entire City and is now facing investigation by the Australian Federal Police over electoral fraud. I mean, without going into the guys history (which, I should note, I'm literally in the middle of doing!) that alone makes him notable enough for a Wikipedia entry.

As for being called Selim Mehajer, I never "persisted" on doing anything. If you were to review the article history of Salim Mehajer you would notice that it was moved to this location by 220 of Borg. It doesn't show in the history of this article because this article was deleted by an admin. Perhaps a little bit of WP:AGF might be in order here? - Letsbefiends (talk) 01:01, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

P.S. feel free to move it back to Salim Mehajer. Given I'm not an admin, I can't perform the move. Another reason why it's not very fair to say that I "persist" on placing the article under this name. - If you are concerned about this, please feel free to do the move yourself (I'm assuming you are an admin of course). - Letsbefiends (talk) 01:09, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

On second thoughts, given someone else thought it was the wrong name (not me) it might be a bit controversial to just go ahead and do this. I'm requesting this be moved on WP:RM#CM. - Letsbefiends (talk) 01:20, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@Letsbefiends and Anthony Appleyard: I think it's at the 'wrong name', again. I thought it was "Salim Mehajer". If I recall correctly, I created the 'original' "Selim Mehajer" page as a redirect to Auburn Council. I either made a typo, or decided that Salim was a more common usage based on news reports in WP:RS, and moved the re-direct to that spelling. Right now, the page name and content disagrees as to the spelling.
As for Ghits, "Selim Mehajer" only gets 543, [1] "Salim Mehajer"[2] gets 267,000. 220 of ^Borg 06:54, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: actually, the history log shows you moved it from Salim to Selim... but it's Salim (though he also goes by Selim). - Letsbefiends (talk) 06:58, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Did I? Facepalm. Too...many...page...moves, getting...confused.... My 'RS's get it wrong too! They use Selim in the URL, but Salim in the text. (and probably vice-versa). Definitely not "Me-jah-er" though! 220 of ^Borg 08:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@220 of Borg: I'm sure we've all done something similar at least once in our Wikipedia editing time :-) Letsbefiends (talk) 14:22, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

Where is the controversy? I've never seen so much hassle over fixing a damn typo. The Drover's Wife (talk) 07:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

@The Drover's Wife: It was more of a mistake than a controversy. However, the initial request (if you could call it a "request"..) was for me not to use Selim Mehajer and use the Salim Mehajer, even though I had nothing to do with it - and it was done in a needlessly aggressive manner IMHO. That same person added the original article to CSD, which was correct, but then decided to try to do an end run around the process by requesting a speedy deletion under the grounds of notability, which I dispute. Hence, controversy. - Letsbefiends (talk) 07:47, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Hang around, such things as speeling spelling shouldn't, but do, cause edit wars IIRC. 220 of ^Borg 08:15, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because... Selim Mehajer is a highly notable person in Australia! I'm not sure why he would be considered otherwise - he was the deputy mayor of the City of Auburn Council, which is one of the biggest LGAs in Sydney. He is also highly controversial - currently he is under AFP investigation for electoral fraud, has allegations of major conflicts of interest whilst on the council in relation to personal development applications, and was notorious for allegedly threatening the father of one of the victims of the 2015 Sydney seige. - Letsbefiends (talk) 00:44, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

As it stands at present, the article gives no sense of notability. It just states he was born, went to school and became a deputy mayor (which, according to WP:POLITICIAN, is not sufficient to be considered notable. WWGB (talk) 01:33, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Under WP:ARTN, that's not a valid reason to slap on a speedy deletion tag. You realise, of course, that I'm literally in the middle of editing this page and to add far more information into it? As in, I was editing the article when you stuck the speedy tag onto it? And that I had added a talk page notice that I was about to add some additional material, but as I had to step out for a moment to deliver my kids to school I couldn't apply it immediately and not more than about 20 minutes later was going to add the material? - Letsbefiends (talk) 01:41, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Could you please not redirect Salim Mehajer to Auburn City Council#History? This article may have been proposed for speedy deletion, but until it has then you really should redirect spelling renames to the most specific article available. - Letsbefiends (talk) 01:48, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 10 May 2016

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 05:25, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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Selim Mehajer → Salim Mehajer – This was moved by another editor from Salim Mehajer. However, he is known as Salim Mehajer, not Selim Mehajor - in fact if you go to the wayback machine you'll see that as the deputy mayor of Auburn City Council the spelling is Salim. Letsbefiends (talk) 01:18, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

• Support. The Drover's Wife (talk) 02:26, 10 May 2016 (UTC)
• Speedy move. Frickeg (talk) 03:13, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Removal of notability tag

I have removed the {{notability}} maintenance tag. WWGB, I think I've fairly clearly established his notability now. The entire basis of your argument that he is of dubious notability is that the article doesn't have enough information, but that is against the spirit of the notability guideline. In particular, I feel I need to draw your attention to WP:ARTN, which specifically notes that "if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability."

I also note that you have put on that maintenance tag in the middle of me updating the article. I don't know why you chose to ignore the talk page or didn't review the history that would show I'm actively working on it, but I'd appreciate it if you gave me some time to update it properly. - Letsbefiends (talk) 02:11, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Further editing

This article is currently quite incomplete. I'm going over it with more care than I did on my last attempt, which was considered too negative and deleted summarily. I bow to this judgement, so as I would like to continue writing this article I will continue writing it but it will be necessarily more slow in order to keep a neutral tone. Of course, if others want to edit I'm definitely happy to see this occur! I have no intention of attempting to "own" the article.

For the next parts of the article, I think I need to focus on:

• the John St car park COI issues
• his court case which was taken out against him by Bruce Herat for intimidation - it was eventually thrown out of court as it could not be proven, but the judge extended the AVO for 12 months (see [3])
• his run-ins with creditors I think are important - the stone mason for the stair case he had built for the rapper Bow Wow's music video eventually got paid, but only after a settlement was made. Currently the business Iron World is taking him to court over an unpaid bill of $46,000 [4]
• he was suspended from Council, but this was overturned and the government ordered to pay costs - I think that's important to note in the article
• Mehajer was charged "charged with using forged documents and using false or misleading documents last December and could face 10 years in jail" by the Australian Federal Police - that is an extremely serious charge and notable in it's own right, and needs to be added to the article. [5]
• Participation in McHappy Day should at least get a mention, I think [6]

Have to find out what else I need to include. - Letsbefiends (talk) 03:07, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

There was a competition, (pageant? yep, Miss Lebanon Australia) sponsored by a Mehajer company that his sister won. The incident it is now being investigated. [7]. McHappy day?, finally something positive about Hehajer! 220 of ^Borg 08:32, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Court case

It appears the following was removed, but for the life of me I can't see how it is a BLP violation:

According to Herat, on September 16, 2015 Mehajer was training at Herat's Burwood gym when he noticed Mehajer slamming down weights whilst using the gym's leg press. After asking him to stop, Herat claims Mehajer said "Who the f*** are you to talk to me? What gives you the right to tell me how to use this machine?" and refused to tell him his name. Mehajer later approached Herat in a Burwood council car park where Herat claims "he [Mehajer] then said words to me like 'this is not the end of the matter, I'm going to take it further, I'm going to find where you live motherf***er and I'm going to kidnap your children'." During proceedings in Burwood Local Court, Mehajer denied ever saying this, claiming that "Those certain words don't exist in my vocabulary".

Given this was straight from the court case and informs the reader why he was charged and why the court case occured, I don't see why this has been removed. I've put it back in, because I don't see how it is a BLP violation. It's fully and reliably sourced from verifiable records. - Letsbefiends (talk) 11:03, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Herat claimed it happened, Mehajer denied it. There is no independent corroboration. Charges were dismissed. WP:BLPCRIME applies here to protect the reputation of the subject who was found to have done nothing wrong. WWGB (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

And yet that guideline only applies to people who aren't public figures. I am concerned you are giving due weight to Mehajer, when in fact the court didn't find that it was or wasn't stated. The fact is that the whole court case hinged on what was said, and not giving Herat's viewpoint seems a bit silly as its not clear why Mehajer was given an AVO, an AVO which I might add was increased by 12 months.

I want to put this back, how do we resolve this impasse? Because I feel you are pushing a line that is puzzling to me, in that the article now doesn't clearly show why the case was being prosecuted, or why Mehajer was not convicted! - Letsbefiends (talk) 11:56, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:BLP, you boldly add it, I revert it and then it is discussed here for a time. If no other editors are concerned after, say, one week then my concerns are unsupported. WWGB (talk) 12:02, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

A variety of issues...

It appears that there are a variety of issues that may need to be discussed on this talk page. To centralise discussion, I'm going to list them here, under subheadings. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:15, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

The current version of this article is not a candidate for speedy deletion. While I understand that some people think that Salim Mehajer is only notable because he is famous for being famous, in fact he is notable for a variety of things, not just his wedding and his position as deputy Mayor. He has had a very chequered history, and been in front of the courts a number of times, has been involved in property transactions that are controversial and notable in their own right, and has done a variety of things that have caused him to appear in the Australian media on a regular basis. He is currently under investigation by the Australian Federal Police for electoral fraud. Basically, he is indeed notable.

I think it's important that those who add speedy deletion tags follow the rules around this. Under WP:A7 if it appears that if the subject may well be considered notable, but you disagree, then you need to list the article on WP:AFD. In particular, it states that "If the claim of significance is credible, the A7 tag can not be applied, even if the claim does not meet the notability guidelines."

It is also important to note that the fact that an article isn't written well is not a criteria to determine that the subject is not notable. Per WP:ARTN:

Notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. If the subject has not been covered outside of Wikipedia, no amount of improvements to the Wikipedia content will suddenly make the subject notable. Conversely, if the source material exists, even very poor writing and referencing within a Wikipedia article will not decrease the subject's notability.

It is, to my mind, very much not the case here. The subject of this article, Salem Mehajer, has been extensively covered in the Australian media for many things. Also, at the time that the CSD was added I think it was very clear that I was editing the article, because I was asking on this talk page what people thought of my bit on the coverage of his wedding. I asked this question on the 9th May, but on the 10th May it was listed under A7 for speedy deletion.

I would appreciate it if those who add tags to the page follow the guidelines and rules, and I would really urge them not to request speedy deletion of a page that is being actively worked on. Of course, I have no problem whatsoever of it being listed on WP:AFD, that's well within the guidelines, but I would also ask them to consider that the subject is actually inherently notable under notability criteria! It doesn't help to add a notability maintenance tag to the article, which I have since removed. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Date format

WP:MOSNUM applies to this article. I started this article and the date format I have used is Month Day, Year. This has been repeatedly changed. It's very disruptive when you try to contribute to this article but you find that changes are being done that don't really add any value. Also, as per MOSFORMAT, the guideline is "The Arbitration Committee has ruled that editors should not change an article from one guideline-defined style to another without a substantial reason unrelated to mere choice of style, and that revert-warring over optional styles is unacceptable."

So... given I started the article and all the references use my format consistently throughout the article. the date format should be Month Day, Year. I would appreciate it if this could remain for consistency, and I really don't want someone to go through all the references and change them because honestly, what will you have achieved other than an edit conflict with someone who is trying to make substantial updates to this article?

That is simply not true. Your first edit uses three DMY dates and only one MDY date. So you are the one changing majority format after the article was started. WWGB (talk) 04:55, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

What am I meant to be looking at here? That's a diff that covers hundreds of edits, not all mine... I hadn't been using that format, so please don't say otherwise. Unless you have a diff to a single edit, of course. Which you won't be able to find... All a moot point though, I have now converted them to the date format requested by a number of people. Letsbefiends (talk) 23:25, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

You mean I will not be able to find this edit, where you used DMY format? WWGB (talk) 00:22, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

You had that page blanked and deleted as an attack page. It looks like it has been accidentally restored. I started again from scratch, so could you show me the diff starting from this point? - Letsbefiends (talk) 00:27, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

You restored it. Your edit. Point made. WWGB (talk) 05:13, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you say that, because I'm not an admin so I never restored it. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:24, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Furthermore, according to this edit summary (which reads "Undid revision 719836351 by Letsbefiends (talk) again, read WP:MOSNUM, all dates in Australian English are written day month year") Australian dates should be day month year. I have reviewed this guideline and nowhere in the guideline does it say this. The only thing is mentions about Australian English is a brief mention in currency, where it quite sensibly suggests using the dollars symbol for Australian currency... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Letsbefiends (talk • contribs) 03:47, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Per MOS:DATETIES, "Articles on topics with strong ties to a particular English-speaking country should generally use the date format most commonly used in that nation. For the United States this is, for example, July 4, 1976; for most other nations it is, for example, 4 July 1976". If you check articles about Australian topics, or Australian biographies, you will see that <day month year> is by far the most commonly used format, as it will surely be for Salim Mehajer. WWGB (talk) 04:02, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Except that this is not necessarily the case in Australia. In fact, if you look at most news organisations they use <Month Day, Year>. Regardless, the firm rule is really not to change the date format on the article unless absolutely necessary. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:06, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

I am not interested in news organisations, I am referring to Wikipedia articles. And change IS necessary, because Australian WP articles are written in DMY format. WWGB (talk) 04:48, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

It's not mandated anywhere, despite what you say. It's very much unnecessary. It is not necessarily the date format used across Australia! - Letsbefiends (talk) 05:13, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

WWGB is quite right. I quote our own article: "MDY is sometimes, but very rarely, seen in reference to estabished US culture, for instance the September 11 World Trade Centre attacks are still referred as "9/11", not "11/9"". See also here. This should be fairly obvious from the fact that we write dates 12/05/16. Furthermore it is mandated on Wikipedia: firstly MOS:STRONGNAT overrides MOS:RETAIN, and MOS:DATETIES seals the deal. Even if this wasn't the case, good luck trying to get consensus for m/d/y here. Frickeg (talk) 12:52, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

That's very different. dd/mm/yyyy is different to <Month name> dd, yyyy. But if you want to switch it all over, OK I'll bow to consensus. - Letsbefiends (talk) 13:28, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Switched over, I hope this is the correct format. - Letsbefiends (talk) 13:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

BLP violations

There are a number of allegations of violations of BLP.

The first has been made in this edit. I quoted from the court report, which was secondarily quoted accurately by ABC News. The quotes were, in my view, important to establish context as to why the AVO was taken out against Mehajer. I also made it very clear that Mehajer denied saying this, and also quoted him to ensure that balanced coverage was given. This was removed, with the justification that it is a violation of WP:BLPCRIME. However, that is fairly clear that it only applies to private individuals and not public figures. Mehajer is very much a public figure. Now of course, we must take care not to give the allegations undue prominence, but in this case it is important (in my view) to quote directly from what was alleged (and the rebuttal) because it gives necessary context to the court case.

I think it's important to note that in fact the magistrate did not actually discount that what Bruce Herat alleged Mehajer said was false, he merely said he could not prove that it was said in a threatening manner. It's interesting that he noted that if the camera in the council car park wasn't broken he believes he might have made a different judgement, and it's even more instructive that he not only maintained the AVO against Mehajer but extended it for a further 12 months. So I think it's for the best that we leave this information in the article.

Now WWGB has stated that the way this should be resolved is that "Per WP:BLP, you boldly add it, I revert it and then it is discussed here for a time. If no other editors are concerned after, say, one week then my concerns are unsupported". That's not necessarily a dreadful procedure, but I think it's a bit unreasonable to have to wait for an entire week for other editors to show up (or not show up, as the case may be) before this can be settled. After all, if nobody turns up then it doesn't indicate anything other than nobody turned up to say anything one way or another! Especially as the policy seems fairly clear to me that the justification used to remove the material is WP:BLPCRIME, which specifically speaks only of non-public figures and thus doesn't apply in this instance!

It is simply one person's word against another. If I say you are a lying, alcoholic dog-beater (just kidding!) and you say you are not, should my allegations be published anyway, despite there being no independent confirmation? Privacy and decency considerations should be enough to avoid tarnishing an individual's reputation for something which remains unconfirmed. The fact the the claim was aired in court is not sufficient to say "publish and be damned" in the face of conflicting recollections. WWGB (talk) 04:46, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Except that it doesn't tarnish him. it was what was claimed, and if it was stated in any other way then I don't think it would give accurate context to the reason he was in court. Can I clarify though: are you saying that the allegations should not be stated in any way, shape or form? - Letsbefiends (talk) 05:18, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

The second BLP issue was that this edit was necessary to remove the names of the two ladies. Now my understanding is that the two women were noted in all the news articles I can find, and their identity was never intentionally concealed. I put the names back again, but on consideration I've taken them out to ask on here to solicit opinion - I think it's helpful to list them as the information was widely reported in the media, but others may disagree. However, I'll keep the names out unless someone else agrees with putting them back in to give greater context. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Settlement

According to this edit, "it was a matter for the insurers to reach a settlement, not Mehajer". However, where is the source that said that the NRMA negotiated the settlement? If a source can be found that this is what occured, then fine - let's update the article. But I can't find anything that says this is what is occurred and to say that the NRMA negotiated this could be completely inaccurate and not fair to the NRMA. - Letsbefiends (talk) 04:14, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Controversial figure

I acknowledge Salem Mehajer is a controversial figure, however he is indeed a notable one. It's unfortunate that he has so many negative stories about him, but just because someone has negative things written about them doesn't mean they are untrue, or even that documenting them on Wikipedia is unbalanced. There are plenty of figures that have done a lot of negative things and we have documented them. I believe we can do the same with Salim, but I think it's important that we not only are neutral and balanced but that we are accurate, provide context and give a reasonably complete overview of his life and include all significant events that can be verified from reliable sources. - Letsbefiends (talk) 03:40, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

High school and degree

The Australian states that:

He finished his schooling at Arthur Phillip High School in Parramatta and his education from this point is a little hazy. Last year he told a Sydney court he had a bachelor of housing degree from Western Sydney University, which we have confirmed, and that he was enrolled in an environmental engineering course at the ­University of New England (UNE) and a legal studies course at the University of Sydney. A spokes­person from UNE said he was “no longer enrolled and he never graduated”. Sydney said it has never had a student of that name.

The citation is as follows: Klan, Anthony; Bearup, Greg (December 12, 2015). "Salim Mehajer: it's good to be the deputy mayor". The Australian.(subscription required). - Letsbefiends (talk) 10:53, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Associated companies

This section is bloated and unencyclopedic. See WP:NOTDIR. The content can be simply summarised to something like "Mehajer has been a director, secretary or involved with over 20 companies". Listing ABNs and ACNs is not helpful to reader's understanding of the subject. Wikipedia does not need to list minutiae associated with a subject. WWGB (talk) 02:10, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I didn't notice this, because you transcluded WP:NOTDIR. I have responded below as I disagree. - Letsbefiends (talk) 03:33, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Companies associated with Salim Mehajer

I notice that the section on companies associated with Salim Mehajer has been tagged as a directory listing. However, WP:NOTDIR gives the following criteria for a directory:

1. Lists or repositories of loosely associated topics such as (but not limited to) quotations, aphorisms, or persons (real or fictional)
2. Genealogical entries.
3. The White or Yellow Pages.
4. Directories, directory entries, electronic program guide, or a resource for conducting business.
5. Sales catalogues.
6. Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations,
7. Simple listings

It is none of these things, and shows the enormous number of companies he has been a director, secretary or had a joint venture or partnership with. - Letsbefiends (talk) 03:30, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

The ABNs and ACNs are rather important because they show that they are all listed Pty Ltd companies and allow the editor to check out the companies for themselves. The ACN and ABN of a company is most definitely not minutiae, especially as a number of companies have such similar names. It also allows the reader to view the status of the companies - I find it very useful as it shows that a number of companies have been liquidated, or have had the directorship changed. - Letsbefiends (talk) 03:34, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

It has now been readded, but my concerns have not been addressed. This is not a violation of the guideline! - Letsbefiends (talk) 05:45, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Request for comment

It is time to bring further eyes to review this article. I have several concerns that cannot be resolved with the contributing editor.

(1) the inclusion of alleged offensive and intimidating language which was denied by the subject, unsubstantiated and dismissed by a court.

(2) the inclusion of very minor traffic offences, such as an illegal U-turn, which appear to breach BLP considerations.

(3) a highly detailed list, including ABN and ACN, of every company with which the subject has been associated.

I acknowledge that the subject has had a colorful and contentious past, however, much detail in the article seems trivial and muck-raking. Comments? Thanks, WWGB (talk) 05:49, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I am very happy if others wish to review this article :-) What in particular is muck-raking about it though? Could you be more specific? I don't see that his traffic offences are a violation of BLP in any way, because it was something that has been widely commented on in the media because of the sheer number of traffic violations he has been involved in.

I also don't know what the issue is with that list. One of the issues that Mehajer is noted for is the sheer number of proprietary companies and proprietary shell companies he has established or been involved in. It's actually very useful to have the ABN and ACN. I have noted why I think it's important and relevant, and not getting in minutiae on the talk page here. WWGB hasn't responded to my substantive points, and in the following edit readded the tag with the comment "please do not remove MY tag until the concern has been addressed" - yet in fact I already had.

I am getting rather concerned with the editing practices of WWGB however. So far he has done the following on this article:

• Requested it be speedily deleted under A7, [8] but never notified me of this fact. When I noted that this seemed unfair, he stated "I used the automated csd process at the top of the page, which is supposed to notify the creator. Not my problem if it does not work properly." [9]

• As I explained, I nominate hundreds of articles for speedy deletion and rely on Wikipedia tools to work effectively. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• Which does not in any way help me when I tried to work out what had happened to that article. The tools have limitations, so I would have thought you'd have learned to follow the guideline without recourse to blaming the tools. As I have said before, if you are doing this with hundreds of articles, then I respectfully suggest you review the way you are notifying people. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• Accused me of deliberately updating the wrong article spelling, even though I had nothing to do with the location of the article which was moved by another editor [10]

• Although the edit history of Selim Mehajer is lost in multiple redirects, the fact remains that I asked you to edit the article Salim Mehajer and not Selim Mehajer which you did for some time. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• By the time you had instructed me to do this (why are you instructing me?) I had already started to edit the other article because it had been moved with the comment in the history that it was a spelling error to use Salim. The correct procedure was to move the article, which you did not do. In fact, it was *I* who then followed the procedure to request that an admin move the article to the correct spelling. Why didn't you do that? And why were you so aggressive in your initial comment? You accused me of not editing in good faith! - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

• Redirected the article he felt I should be editing to City_of_Auburn#History [11]
  • Because the article Salim Mehajer was redirected from Auburn Council to Selim Mehajer, clearly a misspelling of his name. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Yes, and as I stated on your talk page you should have redirected it to the Selim Mehajer article. Then a move could have been done that fixed the redirects. Which is what happened. Instead you opted to revert the change. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• After removing the CSD tag added the {{notability}} tag to the article, however I suggested he take this to AFD if he was truly concerned it was not something that is notable enough to be on Wikipedia. [12] I offered to list it myself, but he never responded.
  • You did not require my assent to list an article at AfD. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • And you did not need to add the notability tag if you felt that notability was such a problem that the article should not exist on Wikipedia. Instead, it would have been more appropriate to list it on AFD. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Has so far stated that I have violated BLP through WP:BLPCRIME, however when I asked how the policy applied because Mehajer is a public figure and that policy specific states it applies to non-public figures he didn't respond, only stated that he thinks that I should wait a week and then if nobody supports him then I can add the material back (see Talk:Salim Mehajer#Court case). I don't think that's how BLP policy is meant to work somehow. But he hasn't answered how there is a BLP violation in this case.
  • My edit did not rely on BLPCRIME, merely BLP considerations. That is one of the reasons I have brought this matter to RfC. Obscene and threatening words are being attributed to Mehajer, despite his denial, no witnesses and a dismissed court case. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • You specifically mentioned BLPCRIME, in fact it was your central point. Here is what you wrote: "Herat claimed it happened, Mehajer denied it. There is no independent corroboration. Charges were dismissed. WP:BLPCRIME applies here to protect the reputation of the subject who was found to have done nothing wrong." You still haven't explained how it is a violation of BLP. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Added his own POV that Mehajer is merely known for "Lavish wedding" in the infobox [13].
  • I did not say "merely", I added the matter that first brought him to public attention. Others can add more. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • And yet he is the deputy mayor of a large LGA. How was it that you neglected to mention this? - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Has removed useful information, such as the name of the street in which Mehajer ran over the two pedestrians [14]
  • And I still wonder how naming a non-notable street adds anything to the article ..... WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Because it gives context as to where the accident occurred, you can examine the area in which he crashed and work out for yourself how dangerous an area it was, assess whether the judge was correct in that he should have been able to avoid the crash. Etc. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Added incorrect information [15] and has committed his own BLP violation by stating that Mehajer never completed high school in NSW when in fact there was clear evidence he did, [16] and claimed he hadn't completed any degrees, when he has (and can be checked on the WSU verification service and is noted in The Australian article I had linked to).[17]
  • It is a fact that Mehajer never finished high school, but it relies on primary evidence that cannot be published here. The source IS wrong, but cannot be rebutted. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • Yet as an editor who has over 98,000 edits under your belt, you knew that already and yet you violated the policy fully knowing that your edit was violating it. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Has added a tag that asserts that the list of companies that Mehajer was associated with is a directory, [18] but when I pointed out the guideline it links to doesn't seem to apply he just added the tag back again with no comment on the talk page [19].
  • I expressed concern that a long list of companies breaches WP:NOTDIR. Of course you would not agree because you wrote it. So you removed the tag. WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • And yet on this very talk page I explained why I don't think it's a problem. I have given my reasons and you haven't responded, and I am saying it doesn't violate that guideline. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
• Appears to be canvassing - WWGB certainly didn't notify me that this article was being discussed and I am the one who has been updating it! [20].
  • I did not invite discussion at AWNB, I just asked others to look at the article. Of course, you already knew about the article, as you wrote most of it. So why would I need to invite you personally to look at it? WWGB (talk) 09:09, 14 May 2016 (UTC)
    • You didn't ask this as part of the RFC, you said that there were BLP violations being made. As I was the only editor really editing this article, you were indeed referring to myself. - Letsbefiends (talk) 09:36, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

I've seen some really great edits done by WWGB, and in fact I've hit the thank you button on a lot of them, but it's frustrating that because it appears to me that as he doesn't think Salim Mehajer is a notable figure and is merely "famous for being famous" seems to be editing in what looks to me to be an obstructive manner. I realise I may be wrong, but given all the things I point out here it does make it rather difficult to update...

For instance, I have asked for comment on this talk page, but aside from the date formats (which I have acceded to and apologised for going against consensus, and in fact I converted over to the format he requested...) I don't see much of a response so far. - Letsbefiends (talk) 06:22, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

How funny! I ask for comment on the article and get a very personal critique. After 98,000 edits nothing at Wikipedia surprises me any more. WWGB (talk) 06:32, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

WWGB, there is nothing personal about this. As I say, I think you do excellent work. But you haven't responded to my substantive points and seem to have been adding contentious tags to the article over a reasonable period. And to my mind, it does look like canvassing when you post to the Australian Noticeboard alleging BLP violations and not notifying me of this fact. After all, you and I know that I am the primary author of this article so far, and the things you are complaining about has to do with material I have contributed! FWIW incidentally, I'm not an inexperienced editor here either. I know pretty much everything you do about Wikipedia, though I may be a little rusty on a few things like date formats. - Letsbefiends (talk) 06:37, 14 May 2016 (UTC)

Researched information

I have put together quite a bit of information about the subject. See below. - Letsbefiends (talk) 14:57, 15 May 2016 (UTC)

Developments

• Owns (through Mehajer Bros Pty Ltd) 3 Mary St, Auburn
  • There is a DA for this property according to a DA search on Auburn Council's website - DA-416/2011, DA is for "Minor internal alterations and fit out works to existing educational establishment." Applicant is 288 Capital Pty Ltd (ABN 87 123 073 138, ACN 123 073 138) and approved on 21/12/2011...
  • No council meeting minutes!!!
  • Klan, Anthony (19 March 2016). "Salim Mehajer eyes $7m property sale jackpot". The Australian.

Development Applications

• 13-21 John St, Lidcombe
  • DA-119/2012:
    • Owner: Auburn City Council
    • Applicant: Sydney Constructions & Developers Pty Ltd and Mr S Mehajer (Selim Mehajer)
    • Auburn Council 21 November 2012 Meeting Minutes, Information Report – JRPP - 13-21 John Street, Lidcombe, Page 6
    • Auburn Council 21 November 2012 Business Paper, Information Report – JRPP - 13-21 John Street, Lidcombe, Page 29

• 36-38 John St, Lidcombe:
  • DA-290/2012/A:
    • Applicant: Zhinar Architects
    • Owner: Sydney Building Constructions Pty Ltd
    • Auburn Council July 16, 2014 Business Paper, Page 314
    • http://www.ragaa.org/devsites/johnst36-38.html

• 38 John St, Lidcombe:
  • DA-290/2012/B
    • Applicant: Salim Mehajer
    • Owner: S.E.T Services Pty Ltd
    • Auburn Council 19 November 2014 Business Paper, Page 203

• 36-44 John St, Lidcombe:
  • DA294/2014 (JRPP No: 2014SYW140 DA)
    • Applicant: Sydney Project Group
    • Owner: Sydney Project Group Pty Ltd, S.E.T Services Pty Ltd
    • Proposed development: Construction of a 12 storey mixed use development comprising 153 residential units, 16 commercial units with 4 levels of basement parking and 241 car spaces
    • Cover Sheet
    • Remediation plan, commissioned by SM Engineering and Constructions Pty Ltd
    • Approved: 4 June 2015
    • http://www.ragaa.org/devsites/johnst36-44.html

• 40-44 John Street, Lidcombe:
  • DA-352/2012/A
    • Owner: Mr J G T Vuong and Ms C H Lam (Clr Lam...)
    • Sydney Project Group Pty Ltd
    • Auburn Council 16 July 2014 Business Paper, Page 354
  • DA-352/2012/B
    • Applicant: Salim Mehajer
    • Owner: Mr J G T Vuong and Ms C H Lam (Councillor Lam...)
    • Auburn Council 15 Octomber 2014 Business Paper, Page 121
  • http://www.ragaa.org/devsites/johnst4044.html

• 52-56 John Street and 1A Childs Street, Lidcombe:
  • DA-507/2005:
    • Applicant: Sydney Building Construction Pty Limited
    • Owner: Mr M Mehajer and Mrs A Mehajer
    • Auburn Council December 3, 2008 Business Paper, Page 202
    • Auburn Council August 19, 2009 Business Paper, Page 142
  • DA-241/2010:
    • Applicant: Sydney Building Construction Pty Limited
    • Owner: Mr M Mehajer and Mrs A Mehajer
    • Auburn Council 28 September 2010 Business Paper for Extraordinary Council Meeting, page 69
    • Auburn Council October 20, 2010 Business Paper - Notice of Rescission Motion - 52-56 John Street, Lidcombe, page 74
  • http://www.ragaa.org/devsites/johnst.html

• 46-50A John Street, Lidcombe
  • DA-627/2003/B:
    • Applicant: Sydney Building Construction Pty Limited
    • Owner: Mr M Mehajer and Mrs A Mehajer
    • Auburn Council May 7, 2008 Business Paper, Page 15
    • Auburn Council August 19, 2009 Meeting Agenda, Page 142
  • DA-240/2010:
    • Applicant: Sydney Building Construction Pty Limited
    • Owner: Mr M Mehajer and Mrs A Mehajer
    • Auburn Council 28 September 2010 Business Paper for Extraordinary Council Meeting, page 32
    • Auburn Council October 20, 2010 Business Paper - Notice of Rescission Motion - 46-50A John Street, Lidcombe, page 34
  • http://www.ragaa.org/devsites/johnst4650.html

Salim Mehajer home

• 14 Frances St, Lidcombe
  • DA-79/2009:
    • Granted 9 June 2009
      • There are no minutes for this meeting!!!
  • DA-79/2009/B:
    • Applicant: Sydney Project Group Pty Ltd
    • Owner: Salim Mehajer
    • 19 November 2014 Business Meeting
  • DA-232/2008:
    • Granted 28 November 2008
      • There are no minutes for this meeting!!!
      • Council under delegated authority approved Development Application Number 232/2008 for demolition of existing dwelling, removal of a tree and construction of two storey dwelling house with basement carpark, a front fence, an outbuilding and a BBQ facility subject to conditions. Business Paper, Page 299
  • DA-232/2008/E:
    • Application: Sydney Project Group Pty Ltd
    • Owner: Salim Mehajer
    • 19 November Business Paper, Page 299
    • Section 96(1A) modification to increase height of lift and stair overruns and for changes to internal layout of dwelling.
    • Rescinded! - meeting minutes 3 December 2014, only one opposed Clr. Oldfield
  • DA-232/2008/F:
    • Applicant: Advanced International Developments Pty Ltd
    • Owner: Salim Mehajer
    • Auburn Independent Assessment Panel Meeting, 6 April 2016, Page 4
    • "The subject Section 96(1A) application DA-232/2008/F is lodged to the Council for determination for modifications to approved plans associated with DA-232/2008 to increase height of rear and side boundary fences to 2.1m (from 1.8m), and replace approved grass in the nature strip outside the front of the property with artificial grass" - refused

Council Car Park

• 13 John St, Lidcombe
  • Sale clause was in 333/11 of council minutes of 16 November 2011:
    • "In the event that the Purchaser does not obtain the Development Consent for the subject property and the adjoining property within eighteen (18) months from the date hereof then either party may be at liberty to rescind this contract whereupon the provisions of Clause 19 shall apply"
    • "That Simon Diab & Associates on behalf of Sydney Constructions & Developments Pty Limited be advised of Council’s decision."
  • In the council Business Paper for their meeting 21 November, it states that:
    • "Sydney Constructions and Developments Pty Limited (Purchaser) submitted Development Application 119/2012 (DA) on 20 April 2012, for a mixed use development over the properties at 15, 19 and 21 John Street and Council’s open car park at 13 John Street Lidcombe. The DA is being assessed externally by a Planning Consultant and will be determined by the Joint Regional Planning Panel." (Background, page 125)
  • Council chooses to rescind sale to original purchaser and sells car park to Sydney Constructions and Developments Pty Ltd for $6.5 million (see 300A/12 of Council meeting minutes for 5 December 2012).
  • Request is made to reduce the holding deposit for the sale of the Car Park, which is discussed under closed session on 20 November 2013, on the grounds that open discussion would "contain information that would, if disclosed, confer a commercial advantage on a person with whom the Council is conducting (or proposes to conduct) business".
  • Council decides to reduce the deposit to 5% - or $325,000 (see C039/13 of Council minutes of meeting held 4 December 2013)
    • Note! I cannot find item C038/13 which was rescinded! There appears to be a set of meeting minutes missing...
  • On 11 December 2013, Clr Simms attempts to rescind reduction in holding deposit, C040/13 but motion is lost (For: Councillors Campbell, Batik, Oldfield and Simms; Against: Zraika, Attie, Lam, Oueik, and Yang).

In the news

His home

• McKenny, Leesha (28 October 2015). "Auburn Council deputy mayor Salim Mehajer being sued for his staircase". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Thomson, Warren (6 April 2016). "Salim Mehajer in trouble with Auburn Council after installing artificial turf without consent". Parramatta Advertiser.

• "Mehajer under fire over home". Sky News. 6 April 2016.

Property development and Auburn City Council

• Murphy, Damien (16 August 2015). "Auburn Deputy Mayor Salim Mehajer wedding was delayed until father's release from jail". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Robertson, James (6 May 2016). "Salim Mehajer secures $65m in loans to build apartment complex". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Klan, Anthony (19 March 2016). "Salim Mehajer eyes $7m property sale jackpot". The Australian.

• Klan, Anthony (19 March 2016). "Salim Mehajer eyes $7m property sale jackpot". The Australian.

• Godfrey, Miles (19 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer accuses former colleagues after council decisions went against him". The Daily Telegraph.

• Kidd, Jessica (18 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer rebukes 'dole bludger' Auburn council colleagues after planning decisions overturned". ABC News.

• Robertson, James (18 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer defiant after Auburn council decisions overturned". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Thomson, Warren (18 February 2016). "Administrator blocks Salim Mehajer's purchase of an Auburn Council carpark in Lidcombe". Parramatta Advertiser.

• "Auburn Council administrator reverses decisions set to benefit Salim Mehajer". ABC News. 18 February 2016.

• Thomson, Warren (17 February 2016). "Auburn Council: Deal to sell council carpark to Salim Mehajer overturned". The Daily Telegraph.

• Brook, Benedict (11 February 2016). "The apartment block that brought down a council and could cost Salim Mehajer millions". The Daily Telegraph.

• Godfrey, Miles (11 February 2016). "Auburn Council sacked by State Government following allegations of improper conduct". The Daily Telegraph.

• Brook, Benedict (10 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer says Auburn sacking an "abuse of power" by NSW Government". news.com.au.

• "'Mr Teflon': Sydney's showiest politician comes unstuck". BBC News. 5 February 2016.

Changing the Auburn LEP

• Silmalis, Linda (22 August 2015). "How deputy mayor Salim Mehajer and mayor Ronney Oueik struck property gold in Auburn". The Daily Telegraph. {{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter: |1= (help)

Police investigations/Court cases/Tribunals

• Whitbourn, Michaela (10 August 2015). "Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer faces tribunal over alleged breach of pecuniary interest laws". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Whitbourn, Michaela (8 September 2015). "Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer and companies being sued for almost $2 million". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• McKenny, Leesha; Whitbourn, Michaela (27 October 2015). "Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer's 'right hand man' admits forging documents". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• McKenny, Leesha; Whitbourn, Michaela (27 October 2015). "Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer and partner being sued for almost $700,000". The Brisbane Times.

• McKenny, Leesha; Whitbourn, Michaela (18 November 2015). "Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer in court over driving charges". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Whitbourn, Michaela (20 December 2015). "Salim Mehajer facing 10 years' jail on vote fraud charges blames 'hidden agendas'". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Whitbourn, Michaela (29 January 2016). "Salim Mehajer suspended for voting without disclosure, adding $1m to property's value". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Whitbourn, Michaela (3 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer launches urgent appeal against suspension from council". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Robertson, James (5 February 2016). "Auburn councillor Salim Mehajer's unusual defence in court: 'It may be unattractive but we believe it'". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• Hills, Brenden (1 May 2016). "Salim Mehajer lodged documents claiming alleged criminal lived in widow's home". The Sunday Telegraph.

• Quinn, Liam (24 April 2016). "Salim chance of a comeback? Case against six people accused of rigging council vote to get suspended deputy Mayor Mehajer elected 'has fallen apart because police waiting too long to charge them'". Daily Mail.

• Hills, Brenden (24 April 2016). "Salim Mehajer case: Time delay kills off charges against six". The Daily Telegraph.

• Robertson, James (18 April 2016). "Salim Mehajer company fights wind-up move". The Brisbane Times.

• Awford, Jenny (10 April 2016). "'Stream of voter forms faxed from the SAME fax number sparked electoral fraud probe' against controversial Auburn deputy mayor Salim Mehajer". Daily Mail.

• Hills, Brenden (10 April 2016). "Salim Mehajer probe: Fax marathon of 57 voter enrolment forms is smoking gun, prosecutors say". The Sunday Telegraph.

• Rushton, Gina (31 March 2016). "Court orders state to pay Salim Mehajer legal costs". The Australian.

• Rushton, Gina (30 March 2016). "Salim Mehajer: NSW taxpayers to foot legal bill for Auburn figh". The Australian.

• Brook, Benedict (30 March 2016). "NSW Government forced to pay legal costs of former Auburn Deputy Mayor Salim Mehajer". news.com.au.

• Whitbourn, Michaela (30 March 2016). "State government ordered to pay Salim Mehajer's legal costs". The Sydney Morning Herald.

• "Salim Mehajer's family business empire cracking under legal strains". Yahoo7 News. 25 March 2016.

• Crawford, Sarah (26 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer wins appeal against Auburn Council suspension". The Daily Telegraph.

• Seymour, Bryan (16 February 2016). "Reality TV star embroiled in Salim's 'dodgy demerit point transfer'". Yahoo7 News.

• Seymour, Bryan (2 February 2016). "Salim's cut-price cars: Mehajer's $650,000 Rolls Royce valued to the RMS for just $65,000". 7News Sydney.

• McClellan, Ben; Bamford, Matt (2 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer and his sister Fatima accused of local council voting fraud". The Daily Telegraph.

• "Salim Mehajer chooses not to appear at court to face electoral fraud charges". news.com.au. 2 February 2016.

• Seymour, Bryan (1 February 2016). "Sydney student unknowingly wearing demerit points accrued against controversial deputy mayor Salim Mehajer". Yahoo7 News.

• Auerbach, Taylor (2 February 2016). "Salim Mehajer claims 'no knowledge' of demerit points issued under his name". The Daily Telegraph.

• Godfrey, Miles (29 January 2016). "Salim Mehajer banned for four months for failing to disclose development interests". The Daily Telegraph.

• Brook, Benedict (5 May 2016). "Salim Mehajer praises wife but singles out another for a special thank you". news.com.au. The former deputy mayor of western Sydney's Auburn Council is being taken to court by metal and aluminium fabricators Iron World to get back $46,000 the business claims it is owed for work on a luxury marble staircase installed in Mr Mehajer's Lidcombe home, reports the Daily Telegraph. "We have done work before (for Mr Mehajer) and got paid but the last invoice just before the wedding we could not get the money," Iron World business owner Sam Obeid said. "He is just delaying, that is all — we know every time he promises, promises and then nothing happens ... We need to pay our suppliers," reported the Telegraph.

• Cheer, Louise (28 October 2015). "Gaudy groom Salim Mehajer sued by a tradesman for an unpaid $15,000 bill for a marble staircase built inside his home - which featured in rapper Bow Wow's video". Daily Mail. The owner of Marmonyx Stone, Yashar Shokrgozar, claims Cr Mehajer failed to pay his company thousands of dollars for the work his employees carried out in his Lidcombe home, in Sydney's west, last year. It is understood by the Herald Cr Mehajer allegedly owes Marmonyx Stone about $15,000 for the Persian onyx staircase that took a month to erect and was completed nine months ago, The Sydney Morning Herald reported.

Hangin' with celebrities

• "Salim Mehajer throws $50k party with rapper Tyga for wife's 30th... but Aysha's nowhere to be seen". The Daily Telegraph. 13 April 2016.

• "Former Auburn Deputy Mayor Salim Mehajer posts picture on Facebook of himself, and US musicians Tyga and Omarion, posing with a cake". news.com.au. 12 April 2016.

• Piotrowski, Daniel (5 May 2016). "'She wasn't my first pick': Three Miss Lebanon Australia judges say Salim Mehajer's little sister Mary was NOT their top choice - but she won the crown anyway". The Daily Mail.

Other

• http://www.cbp.com.au/publications/2015/july/client-lunch-comes-back-to-bite-solicitor-found
• Article about his former website
• Junkee's take on Salim Mehajer