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Next Austrian legislative election -Electoral system

Do you know the austrian electoral system ? Please read "Nationalratswahlordnung". You write:

The 183 members of the National Council are elected by closed list proportional representation in nine multi-member constituencies based on the states. Seats are allocated using the D'Hondt and Hare method with an electoral threshold of 4%.

De facto the number of seats only depend on Austrian popular vote.--213.240.125.11 (talk) 04:12, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What I wrote is correct, but you seem to have misinterpreted it. The d'Hondt method is a way of allocating seats based on the popular vote share. Number 5 7 08:06, 22 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Player Category List

I'll try - it looks as though copying the contents out to my text editor (textpad) has removed some of the none-ANSI extended characters. It will take some time as I can only do one edit at a time before the huge list locks my browser up. Sorry. Gricehead (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC) Gricehead (talk) 11:48, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now Done for all the redlinks in that diff. Cheers, Gricehead (talk) 13:15, 23 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit summary

In reply to your edit summarry:[1] "Why not just fix it rather than revert? External links should not be used in the prose (see WP:ELPOINTS), and it isn't standard to have the spaces (I would guess more than half the articles don't)."

I wouldn't know how to fix it.
WP:ELPOINTS only says "should not normally be used in the body of an article". You must be as aware of it as I am, that in cases where there is a link to an article in another language but not in English, sometimes the external link is used in the article.
As you can see if you edit this talkpage, it is the Wikipedia default to have the spaces. At least you shouldn't remove them. Debresser (talk) 18:40, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Debresser: Perhaps if you hadn't been so keen to hit the revert button, you'd have either (a) noticed that I added the template to the article in two places – one of which worked and one of which didn't, after which it should have been fairly simple to work out what was wrong, or (b) seen that I was using a template, and visited the template page to find out how it worked and try and work out what went wrong.

Interwikis and external links are different things. If you really think it should be interwiki'd, then the correct way to do it would be like this: Avraham Ya'akov Brawer. ELs are not used to do this with.

As for the spaces thing, I have to say you've completely lost me. I assumed you were referring to the unnecessary spacing on some lines in the infobox, but seeing as you have mentioned this talkpage, I have no idea what you're referring to.

Hitting the revert button like this will only antagonise other editors and if this is typical of your behaviour, then I am beginning to see why you pop up at WP:AE so often. Number 5 7 18:49, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You make an edit which doesn't work, and when I revert it, you tell me that I should have fixed your edit? I complete disregard of the fact that 1. it was not my edit and 2. I had and have no idea what was wrong with it and how it was fixed. Instead of making insinuations regarding WP:AE, you'd better get a better idea of who should mop up whose shit. Debresser (talk) 23:10, 24 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Seaton Delaval

Hello, and thanks for pointing that out. As FCHD didn't link the two, I presumed them to be different entities. The Northern Alliance website calls them Seaton Delaval AFC, and the FA are inconsistent. If it were me, I'd go with A.F.C., but my personal taste unfortunately doesn't form part of our naming conventions. I'll save Joe Meek (footballer) anyway, and when someone decides what the club should have been called, it's easy enough to change him. cheers, Struway2 (talk) 11:02, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Fixing template

It's something I think we discussed years ago (my apologies if we didn't and I was thinking of other people). In any case, the infobox is used for all sorts of Israeli localities, not necessarily kibbutzim. The idea was to rename the template to Infobox Israel village, but because simply moving a template can create all sorts of chaos, it was decided to change the template name in the articles first, and move it at the end. It has already been changed in most articles. Let me know what you prefer to do with this, personally I'd like to finish changing it in the articles and then move the template itself. —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 14:19, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't use AWB, so go ahead :) —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 15:07, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the move. About CBS: I think June–July of next year is the standard for the release of this data, don't know why they are delaying now, but I don't think they will delay much longer. I'll be sure to keep an eye out! —Ynhockey ^(Talk) 09:26, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Redirects

Hi, with regard to your "AFC Telford United" redirects, I think you should take a look at WP:NOTBROKEN. Mattythewhite (talk) 19:40, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattythewhite: I'm aware of the guideline and wouldn't normally do it, but it's being done primarily for the player categorisation drive that we've been discussing recently at WP:FOOTY. See here. Basically if a club name is transcribed incorrectly in the infobox (which includes being a redirect), the bot picks them up as being incorrectly categorised. Cheers, Number 5 7 19:42, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I get you! Mattythewhite (talk) 19:46, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Mattythewhite: There are three York City players on the English list and two on the Scottish list if you're interested in helping out! If you do, can you add all the missing categories for those players and then delete them from the lists? Cheers, Number 5 7 19:49, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

File delete

Please delete this file per OTRS ticket:2016072610001783. — Music1201 ^talk 18:35, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Music1201: I can't see the ticket, so I'm afraid I can't delete it. But while I've got your attention, can I advise that you stop closing AfDs like this? It was clearly a delete result, so I have no idea how you came to the conclusion that there was no consensus. Number 5 7 18:39, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

1 delete !vote + the nomination is not enough to determine a consensus. It was relisted 3 times without discussion. I even put "final relist" in the 3rd relist. — Music1201 ^talk 18:50, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if you'd bothered to look at the file, you'd notice that is was marked for deletion more than 1 week ago, and says it could be deleted after 7 days (it's been 9). The file should be deleted regardless of the OTRS ticket. — Music1201 ^talk 18:54, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Music1201: I did look at the file, and if you'd bothered to read the tag properly, you'd see it quite clearly states "the image will be deleted one week after 25 July 2016." Unless you're messaging me from five days in the future, then it's not eligible for deletion yet.

If you're going to be arsey with other editors, at least make sure you're in the right first. Number 5 7 18:57, 27 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I don't get it

What did this edit do? I followed the link in the edit summary, but the diff doesn't seem to be about infoboxes. Or Cats. Just curious. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 23:07, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Spotted it - there was a fixed redirect in there. Thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 11:20, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dweller: Yes, apologies for the delay in replying. My plan originally was to only fix the redirects in the infobox, as they're the only ones that affect the bot run for the missing category list, but then when it became apparent that there were nearly 4,000 players with redirects instead of direct links in the articles, I just ended up doing all of them as it would have doubled the amount of time taken if I had skipped the ones not in infoboxes... There are four Norwich players on the list if you want to sort them out :) (please remove them when you do!). Cheers, Number 5 7 11:29, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what to do. Can't see any redirects from John Bowman (footballer) --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 12:44, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dweller: He's been picked up on the list because he's not in Category:Norwich City F.C. players. The list is largely completely missing categories, but some (the ones I was dealing with using AWB) only appeared to be missing the category when doing a comparison because the club's name was written differently in the infobox and the category name (e.g. Leeds United A.F.C. vs Category:Leeds United F.C. players). Hope that maeks sense? Number 5 7 12:59, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK done one --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:02, 29 July 2016 (UTC) Lim never actually appeared in a game for NCFC. Does he get the Cat? --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 13:04, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Dweller: I think if he was contracted to the club then it's reasonable to put him in the category. Certainly if Ipswich signed someone over the summer, I'd expect to see them in the category even if they hadn't played a game yet. Number 5 7 17:01, 29 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

OK, helpful thanks. --Dweller (talk) Become old fashioned! 15:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Bolding

With regard to Southern Rhodesian federation referendum, 1953 the Manual of Style (Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lead section) states

"If the article's title does not lend itself to being used easily and naturally in the opening sentence, the wording should not be distorted in an effort to include it"

"In general, if the article's title is absent from the first sentence, do not apply the bold style to related text that does appear"

in addition

"Links should not be placed in the boldface reiteration of the title in the opening sentence of a lead"

would mean that if the bolding was retained the link to Federation of Rhodesia and Nyasaland would have had to be removed, and in such a short article there wouldn't have been a natural place to add such a link. In my opinion it was more useful to retain the link and debold.--KTo288 (talk) 23:29, 28 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

"Significant events" column

Are these really needed in season-by-season records tables? It is quite clear a team has been promoted as the cells are greened/relegated - red. Champions are also seen by looking at the position. Also, the link to the leagues should go in the position column rather than the season column - the season column doesn't refer solely to the league the club is in. Kivo (talk) 20:37, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kivo: Yes, as it can also be used to denote events like losing in play-offss, divisional transfers, league reorganisation etc. See Grays Athletic F.C. or Aylesbury United F.C. as examples.

I don't really understand your second point, but the season column is always linked to the season article for that league. The position column is not linked. Number 5 7 20:39, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Who ultimately decides whether there should be such a column? Because for every Aylesbury and Grays article, where there is a 'significant events' column, there are far more without one, so if it comes down to which layout is more popular, then the column should be deleted.

They clutter up the table and are needless as the information is already covered.

My second point is - the link to a league season should be in the position column as that is particular to that club's league performance. Linking to it in the Season column doesn't really make sense as the season column refers to the season as a whole - league AND cup competitions. Kivo (talk) 20:57, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kivo: I don't think they clutter up the table, and I'm not sure whether you didn't read what I wrote above, but as pointed out, they include information that is not covered, such as losing in the play-offs, reasons for moving leagues etc.

As for the linking, I disagree – the main bit of a club's season is their league campaign. And having the position linked looks atrocious. Number 5 7 21:01, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Atrocious?! It's more logical for a start - linking a club's position in a league season to that league's season page makes more sense than linking to it in the Season column, which exists solely to indicate which years the season took place in! It looks far less atrocious than a blue background indicating that a club won a league title (especially when it is already clear that the club won the league title by taking a look at the Position column). How a club left a league/got on in end of season play-offs should already be covered in the history section. Kivo (talk) 21:07, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kivo: The table is supposed to be a standalone summary of what happened that season, so many aspects (not just the playoffs etc) are duplicated. If you go down the route you suggest, why not omit seasons where the end position/FA Cup run etc is mentioned in the text too?

I see what you are saying, but who decides what constitutes 'significant'? Is a record points total significant for example? A move to a new ground? Then there's the shading question - how many colour shading do we have for each event? Should we have purple shading for a lost play-off final? Grey shading for a lost play-off semi-final? In my opinion it should be promotion and relegation only, with those clearly indicated by the green and red shading.

I agree the season by season record table should be a stand-alone summary - adding a blue shading for championship wins isn't really necessary. If a team wins a championship AND is promoted, surely there should be some sort of cyan shading, as they'd need blue and green shading combined? If the significant events column must stay, at least can we get rid of the blue shading, which really is unnecessary - keep the shading to green and red for promotion and relegation. Kivo (talk) 21:21, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kivo: Based on what I've seen in all the articles I've seen the lists on, a significant event is one that affects which league the club plays in (e.g. promotion, transfer) or a league win. I've also only ever seen three types of row shading – blue for champions but not promoted, green for promoted and red for relegated.

I should stress that these tables aren't my creation – I only base the standardisation of the ones I edit based on what I see elsewhere. However, I do agree with the logic of how they are structured at present, including the blue shading (I'm not sure why it's such a problem?) as winning a league is just as significant as promotion, and in some cases clubs are unable to take promotion for whatever reason. Number 5 7 21:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

You say "I do agree with the logic of how they are structured at present" - by who though? As I said earlier, there are more tables without the Signiificant events column than there are with it - so surely the ones without it are the standard? Kivo (talk) 21:34, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Kivo: I don't believe that's the case – I've made major edits to several dozen articles in the past couple of months, and of those that had season lists, the vast majority were in this format – the only ones that weren't were the ones you had edited. Having checked a few articles, the lists were added by completely different editors over several years dating back as far as 2006, so it's been the standard for a decade. Number 5 7 21:52, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I disagree with your logic on the linking; if I had to pick any other column to link to the league season article than the years, it would be the one with the league name. Number 5 7 21:09, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

But obviously you couldn't do that as the article to the league itself is linked there - the Position column is really an extension of the League column, but more season specific, as are the FA competition columns. Linking a league season page to the Season column is as illogical as linking a cup season page to the Season column - and you wouldn't link an FA Cup season page to the Season column. Kivo (talk) 21:25, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you could – the argument could easily be made that you don't need the same league linked dozens of times in successive rows. And again, I'll go back to the point that the main point of a club's season is their league campaign. Number 5 7 21:29, 31 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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ארגון

המרכז החקלאי הוא ארגון שנוצר בתקופת היישוב ואשר היווה מסגרת Nachum (talk) 16:19, 2 August 2016 (UTC)משותפת של גופי ההתיישבות העובדת ושל עובדי החינוך החקלאי.[reply]

Hundreds if not thousands

Just saw your We do not have "hundreds, if not thousands" of 5th tier or lower articles. I'd think there are well more than 100. You find 95 right there. How many more are untagged. Does that include 6th tier? What about Southern, Northern, and Isthmanian. And I'm aware of season articles that survive down to the 10th tier at least. I firmly believe there are hundreds. Nfitz (talk) 22:54, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nfitz: No, there are barely any others, as virtually all have been deleted. If you are talking about 10th tier,I presume you are actually thinking of league season articles rather than club season (e.g. 2015–16 Eastern Counties Football League). Number 5 7 23:03, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

And if I see you lie again in an AfD like you've done in the Hereford one, then I'm afraid this will go to ANI as I am sick to death of your behaviour. I'm happy to have a debate about the articles, but when you make claims like you did there, then the situation is untenable. Number 5 7 23:08, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What lie? The comment was in good fatih, and I have not repeated it since I saw your comment. Something can be 100% wrong without being a lie. Meanswhile you have violated a far worse Wiki guideline by violating WP:AGF; please apologize for this. Meanwhile, I have found a few others than the 95 - and am still searching. Is 101, hundreds, or do I need to hit 200? Nfitz (talk) 23:13, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Nfitz: In the Hereford AfD you claim that "There is longstanding consensus at AfD that professional clubs that play in nation-wide professional league get season articles per WP:NSEASONS", which, as you know, is untrue. I presume you actually mean WP:AGF, but as you're also aware, any GF you had was lost several years ago when you started behaving problematically. Number 5 7 23:15, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I assume you meant 100s if not 1000s. I'm sorry, I phrased that badly - I copied the previous entry and didn't edit it well. Give me a few minutes, and I'll see if I can fix that before the kids have dinner. BTW, looking at Category:English football clubs 2013–14 season I see 60 articles, but only 36 are shown as the top 4 tiers. Are 24 non-league? I can see some that are 5th tier, but are not listed in the Category:2013–14 Football Conference by team. Honest question. I think 95 is the low end here. Not sure it will top 200, but I wouldn't be surprised if it tops 150. But yes, not 1000s. Nfitz (talk) 23:22, 2 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Re. Surrey County Intermediate League (Western)

Regarding your query on the Surrey County Intermediate League (Western), I got the list of winners from the League Secretary. I believe they are taken from the trophy the League still presents to the winners each season. I've double checked the spreadsheet I was sent in 2010 and the info matches up. They have Ash United's title listed as 1948-49 and the Badshot Lea info also matches up. I realise this isn't verifiable to usual Wikipedia standards but it's that or leave the info out completely. I do private research on football in Surrey and am hoping to fill the gaps in one day! Cheers. Veggiepunk (talk) 15:19, 4 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]