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Hello Chocolateboy, just wanted to say thank you for touching up my update. Have a nice day,

Alvin 14:55, 26 Apr 2004

Hi, Alvin. Glad I didn't annoy :-) Thanks for expanding the article! chocolateboy 11:24, 27 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Additions

I added JonBénet's middle name. I can't believe I forgot about that :-p. I also added how her name came to be, if the word "amalgam" is unfitting, feel free to change it.

I also added Patsy's middle name. Later in the page, I added John's middle name, but I am not sure if this seems repetitive, as I have already mentioned it once before. Again, anyone feel free to fix! Have a nice day.

Alvin 15:50, 05 may 2004

Added more information :-). I think that if this article grows larger, we may need to somehow seperate it up into sections. There is a lot of information here that for a first-time reader may seem overwhelming. I tried to keep it as chronologically structured as possible, but again, difficult to do, as many parts of the article are simply stating facts. For now, I think it's fine as it is. But if we do get any more information, anyone have any suggestions as to what we should separate the article into? "Life," "The Murder," "The Family," etc...?

Alvin 20:02, 08 May 2004

Burke Ramsey

Wasn't there, at one point, significant media attention on her older brother, Burke, at one point a suspect? Rhymeless 18:47, 18 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Yes, towards the parents and no one else. Burke became involved when Boulder Police investigators claimed they heard his voice on the 911 tape, and were focusing 100% of their attention on the Ramsey family. He was a person of interest at first (naturally, since he was in the house after all), but was soon cleared from the list and was no longer considered a suspect very early on in the case. The violent nature of the case itself practically ruled out Burke, as it takes a considerable amount of strength to garrote a person (and there was a lot of force put into it, as one can see from the autopsy photographs), to deliver the skull-shattering blow to JonBenét's head, and to carry around a limp body. Burke was only either 8 or 9 years old at the time of the murder, and was not "buff" for his age. JonBenét weighed 45 pounds.

Plus, the media blows everything out of proportion. Especially in a case like this - someone brings the idea of a jealous older brother into the picture and it's pure gold from a ratings point of view. Alvin 14:48, 11 Aug 2004

Okay, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. I, too, have seen the autopsy photos and I think that a 9 year old kid who was angry could possibly cause that sort of damage. If Burke did it, it would also explain a lot of the apparent staging of the crime scene and why one or both parents would be complicit in a cover up; they were trying to protect their son. Somewhat related, Burke is going to be appearing on Dr. Phil in September to publicly discuss the case for the first time. Whatever he says might be of relevant inclusion in this article. Jb 007clone (talk) 19:28, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know, was the DNA that was found ever tested against Burke? Jb 007clone (talk) 15:30, 7 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Photo?

It would be nice to have a photo, if somebody can find one that isn't copyrighted (other than crime scene and autopsy photos!) - Mirror Vax 13:04, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Media Appearence

Just listened to a song by D12 (feat Eminem) "I shit on you". Not only are the lyrics quite graphic, one "singer" named Bizarre (aka Peter S. Bizarre) claims "I got Jonbenet Ramsey in my 98 camry". I'm translating songs for fun, so I tried to find out who this Jonbenet is and read about this terrible murder. Although I don't think so I wanted to tell you about the song in case you find it has to be mentioned in the Wikipedia article. Julian

Small Error

In the 5th paragraph is says "decedent's involvement in pageants" but I'm sure they meant "deceased's" idk how to change this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.198.32.155 (talk) 22:41, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, decedent is a word http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/decedent (which I also did not know) and means pretty much the same thing as deceased. Cannolis (talk) 22:51, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Decedent is I believe only used in the American legal system. As the sentence concerned is otherwise normal English (albeit American) I don't think it is appropriate to use these legal jardon.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:52, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Decedent is not (exclusively) legal jargon. It is also "everyday" English. Although not as common as "the deceased". Joseph A. Spadaro (talk) 03:25, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Failure to indict parents

It is a fact that a Colorado grand jury had voted in 1999 to indict the parents. The indictment apparently alleged child abuse resulting in death and being accessories to a crime. However, the district attorney refused to sign the indictment, saying that the evidence was insufficient. It is not correct to then conclude that "This left the impression that the grand jury investigation had been inconclusive". Impression for whom? The grand jury found a prima facie case, the DA refused to accept the indictment, as was his prerogative. That does not suggest that the grand jury investigation was inconclusive. The DA thought that the evidence was insufficient for a successful prosecution, that it all.Royalcourtier (talk) 06:44, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The problem is that Hunter, when he announced his refusal to charge, did not mention that the grand jury had indicted the Ramseys. This left the general public free to conclude that there was no grand jury indictment, i.e., that the investigation had been inconclusive. I'm sure that is what most people believed and still believe. Wahrmund (talk) 21:49, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The length of the John E. Douglas assessment section?

Why is this section so long? It is longer than a lot of the other factual sections. It definitely deserves some discussion, but his assessment is one particular POV, and not necessarily neutral, as he was hired by the Ramseys. Jb 007clone (talk) 13:46, 11 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. And also I didn't see a single source or citation in the John E Douglas section. 76.123.200.158 (talk) 05:28, 18 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Evidence of sexual assault

I'm watching a special on the A&E channel in the United States, titled "The Killing of Jonbenét: The Truth Uncovered."

The narrator stated that the autopsy found evidence of sexual assault. Also, they said there was injuries including vaginal abrasions that indicate she had suffered sexual abuse for some time prior to her murder.

I saw that this page stated that there was no evidence of sexual assault. If someone could fix this with proper citation it would be appreciated. Thanks.

Ahraaar (talk) 03:57, 12 September 2016 (UTC)[reply]