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@Another Believer: I wonder if there is a better title for this article- "phrase" just seems like to vague of a disambiguation. #MeToo would be an option, but there are technical limitations to having hashtags in an article title. How about Me too (social media campaign)? AdA&D 01:02, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Anne drew Andrew and Drew: I'm definitely not opposed to alternate disambiguators. I wasn't exactly sure what to use, but had considered Me too (hashtag). ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:04, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
 Moved to "Me too (hashtag)", for now. Happy to continue discussing other options... ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:43, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Hgrosser: Seems you saved your edit after I moved it to Me too (hashtag). Sorry for the edit conflict! ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:45, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Other options?

Unresolved

Do MeToo, MeToo (hashtag), or Me Too (hashtag) make better titles? I'm leaning towards the first, given YesAllWomen. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:45, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Merging into Harvey Weinstein sexual misconduct allegations instead of AfD

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I think it's too soon for an own article about this tag. Maybe it's only here for a couple of weeks. Until at least there's significant cover about the the tag, not just people using it. In this case it could deserve a spin-off article. It's also closely related to Weinstein's case.--Hofhof (talk) 01:11, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, this would work well as a #MeToo or Me too (social media campaign) subheading under Harvey Weinstein sexual misconduct allegations#Reactions. AdA&D 01:20, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I also see no need to list users of the tag. That's a long list. Maybe the pioneers only. --Hofhof (talk) 10:56, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The dual origins of the campaign (see multiple stories on Tarana Burke's earlier advocacy of the same meme [1], [2], [3]), and the fact that it doesn't concern people revealing Weinstein's conduct (or even harassment within the entertainment industry broadly) lean against subsuming it under the Weinstein misconduct page.--Carwil (talk) 18:25, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
But it still has not notability on its own. So, it should be mentioned there, since it's related to Weinstein, but this article should probably be deleted. Hofhof (talk) 19:00, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. Not notable on its own, but worthy of including there as part of the response. – Muboshgu (talk) 19:07, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Right now, there's plenty of independent coverage of #MeToo, much of which mentions the Weinstein allegations. So the line we're walking is between notable as a reaction, and independently notable. Frankly, it could be too soon to tell… but I would suggest that should it not be independently notable that the relevant place to merge is some not-yet-created article that also includes YesAllWomen or to Hashtag activism. That said, it would be better to wait 48 hours and find out if the coverage demonstrates independent notability.--Carwil (talk) 19:21, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
This is not about the usage of random people on Facebook but what the reliable sources say. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 08:57, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concur that there should be a section in Weinstein article about #MeToo as to what relates to him on hashtag MeToo. After all the Weinstein case did have a great influence on launching the hashtag. But still MeToo should have its own page as well, as a relevant independent article in iteself werldwayd (talk) 22:28, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Could you share your idea of what notability would entail for this article? It has been covered by several major media sources, from the New York Times to the Washington Post and news networks including CNN and NBC. Plenty more major networks are listed in the references section; I'm wondering what else it would take to achieve notability in your view? - Owlsmcgee (talk) 03:27, 21 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's already a list of those who Harvey sexually harassed on the article for the scandal. This internet movement might had been started because of the scandal, but this is mainly for others who say they had been harassed, moested, or raped by other power players in the industry. FaithLehaneTheVampireSlayer 22:07, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge. It's independently notable and distinct from Weinstein. Editor-1 (talk) 11:54, 25 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge This is very important as a cultural development against harassment and has the coverage needed, and it's not just Weinstein so a merge wouldn't be suitable.♦Dr. Blofeld 10:52, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge This is a movement that started from Weinstein, but became so huge, that it needs a standalone page. It is not about Weinstein anymore, but is about the "normality" of sexual harassment of women. It is much more important than a Hollywood mogul's humiliation.♦cris_utza (talk) 11:17, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose merge #metoo has been at the heart of e.g. Swedish public debate the last week – not Weinstein, but the people in Swedish media who have now been likewise accused of sexual misconduct. In the US, I'm sure Weinstein is large than #metoo. In some other parts of the world, #metoo is larger than Weinstein. /Julle (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is clearly not consensus to merge this article. Can an admin close this discussion? ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:34, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've just been bold and removed the merge tag (with an edit summary to say why). Lugnuts Fire Walk with Me 10:29, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Notability tag?

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Resolved

Any opposition to removing the notability tag? There is already a merge tag, and so far editors think the topic is noteworthy enough to include in the encyclopedia in some way, but not necessarily as a standalone article. Seems like an unnecessary tag at this point, or perhaps there is another one that can encourage expansion without questioning notability? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:14, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

As a matter of fact, the article still does not pass a notability test (reliable sources). Some editors believe it is/could/will be important, but it could also disappear as fast as it appear (in a matter of hours). Given it a chance before it's merged or kept is a fair alternative to me. --Hofhof (talk) 22:57, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Eh, I disagree, as there are plenty of reliable sources specifically about this campaign, but I'll leave the tag alone for now. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:01, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
CNN, NBC, LA Times, New York Times, NPR, The Guardian, The BBC, Time Magazine... what's left, at this point? :) Seems to have reached durable notability already. Owlsmcgee (talk) 07:22, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it may have not been obviously notable when tagged but these things move fast. Unless someone can state a good reason for leaving the tag, I'd ask the next editor who reads here to remove it. Of course the article will still need maturing. - phi (talk) 07:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
There are multiple editors now advocating for the tag's removal, but I am not comfortable removing the tag since I created this article. Will someone else do the honor? ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:38, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Since I tagged the article, I suppose there's nothing better than me to remove the tag. At least for now.Hofhof (talk) 19:50, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, ---Another Believer (Talk) 19:52, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Illustration?

Is there any illustration that could be added to this article? YesAllWomen has one... ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:41, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

How would we go about getting permission for outtaking a still of Tarana Burke in a pink-on-black "me too" T-shirt being interviewed by Amy Goodman, if editors like that idea for an illustration? - phi (talk) 08:10, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I added an image of Alyssa Milano, for now, but I am open to other illustration options. ---Another Believer (Talk) 14:37, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Here is the kind of thing I had in mind. Will fair use allow us to use it? - phi (talk) 12:40, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I made a comment on the image, but Democracy Now claims on this interview link to share its content under a Creative Commons Attribution-Noncommercial-No Derivative Works 3.0 United States License, which is not appropriate for Wikipedia, I'm afraid. -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 22:00, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
And could it become appropriate if I requested and got DN's permission? - phi (talk) 22:05, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
You could, yes - here are some guidelines that could be useful. Good luck! - Owlsmcgee (talk) 03:49, 24 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

More sources

---Another Believer (Talk) 22:46, 17 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

- phi (talk) 08:02, 18 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

---Another Believer (Talk) 15:04, 19 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This article should be changed to focus on the "Me too movement"

For example, Black Lives Matter started as a hash tag, but the article is about the movement that sprung up around it. It should be something similar in this article too. I don't think much would have to be changed besides the first line of the lede. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 07:06, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Brightgalrs: So, Me too (movement)? MeToo also redirects to Me too (hashtag), so that's another option. ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:31, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's a little too soon, in my opinion. Maybe a redirect, but right now the movement is the hashtag. If we see even one rally or other kind of mass mobilization I'd say it's a movement. For now, the hashtag is most relevant. -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 23:13, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How could you possibly think that the movement behind the hashtag isn't notable, but the hashtag itself is? You have the cart before the horse, in my opinion. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 01:01, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Because I don't agree that there is a "movement" behind the hash tag. A movement is literally "a group of people working together to advance their shared political, social, or artistic ideas." Right now there is no coordinated "movement," there are people acting on their own to speak up. Are there any notable sources, at all, talking about MeToo beyond the impact of the hashtag? Black Lives Matter was also both, but turned into rallies and actions. MeToo hasn't reached that point yet. When it does, I'll be delighted, and delighted to endorse changing the name of this article. - Owlsmcgee (talk) 02:39, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
That's quite a specific definition of "movement". All I mean is the meaning behind the hashtag should be the focus of the article, and the hashtag should be secondary. The lede of this article is currently (paraphrasing) "#MeToo is a hashtag that denounces sexual assault..." when it should be something like "Me too is a trend that denounces sexual harassment, it uses the #MeToo hashtag...". It's a small change, but I think gives better context to the entire article. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 05:44, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a specific definition of movement, it's the definition of movement. MeToo is best defined by the hashtag because that's what it currently is. Once it comes out in some other context, it can claim to go beyond the hashtag. That hasn't happened yet, at least not in notable sources. We are on the same side, I just don't understand the hurry. - Owlsmcgee (talk) 00:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Also, the Black Lives Matter is a US thing. The #metoo campaign is international; any focus on a movement will probably risk losing that aspect. /Julle (talk) 09:32, 1 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

a danish director

user:Another Believer, you flabbergast me. the only thing björk is "clearly referring" to is "a danish [film] director". WP:BLP states: "Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that[...] is a conjectural interpretation of a source." are you sure you disagree?

(factual mentions of "notable people who have been accused" can be found here & here.) k kisses 22:11, 28 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I'm kind of in agreement here. We don't list the accused in the list for anyone else, and LVT has denied it. I leave it to you user:Another Believer, but going strictly by policy, I think there's something amiss about how it's handled at the moment. That said, I did include the Crystal Castles claim, so maybe that is amiss of WP:BLP as well. I'm careful with the word "allege" and the allegation is widely reported. -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 00:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think notable people accused by other notable people are worth including, but if others disagree, I understand. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:58, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think the commentary about Lars von Trier makes the list of #MeToo participants look untidy. The reference links will help readers know that Bjork was referencing him anyway.

Another Believer there's now a section in "aftermath" that lists people who have been accused. While this might run afoul of BLP (I'll let others weigh in), for the time being, maybe a good compromise is to add the LVT allegation to that list? -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 06:40, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
my main objection was to the misrepresentation of björk's statements. if it is to be included here - which makes more sense now - it should be clear that she hasn't explicitly named anyone. that said, there may be other concerns about when and how to name the accused - i don't really know. -- k kisses 14:38, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with the article saying that Bjork does not mention Lars von Trier by name, but plenty of sources have mentioned who she is referencing. ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mention of Lars von Trier?

So, currently the article does not mention Lars von Trier in any capacity. Is this what we think is best? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:13, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think so. While it may seem "obvious" that she's referring to von Trier, the fact of the matter is that she has made several motion pictures, such as music videos, TV movies, etc. Unless she specifically clarifies that it was von Trier, everyone is simply guessing.
I mean, she accuses him without using his name, but multiple sources mention von Trier:
etc, etc, etc. In my opinion, not mentioning his name in some way should be considered a content gap. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:07, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
One solution is to report that the press widely associated the allegation with Lars Von Trier, who issued a denial. This is factually accurate, sourced, and neutral in that it doesn't force us to interpret Bjork's allegations. -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 23:18, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
See WP:WELLKNOWN for a pretty exact template: "A politician is alleged to have had an affair. It is denied, but multiple major newspapers publish the allegations, and there is a public scandal. The allegation belongs in the biography, citing those sources. However, it should only state that the politician was alleged to have had the affair, not that the affair actually occurred. If the subject has denied such allegations, that should also be reported." -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 23:22, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Owlsmcgee: I'm totally fine with your proposed text. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:31, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Another Believer:: Great. I'll let you tackle the specifics you see fit. -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 23:44, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Owlsmcgee: I already proposed wording for the article, and other editors took issue, so I'll let someone else add a sentence or two. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

All of this is on Bjork's and von Trier's Wikipedia pages anyway. Mentioning this conjecture only clutter's this page, which is about a wider social issue than just two individuals.

Clutter? Mentioning this accusation will not clutter the article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 23:35, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I get that you want to white knight for Bjork, but again Bjork herself has not actually named von Trier. If it'll assuage you, add von Trier to the Aftermath list but please make note that Bjork hasn't actually named him yet. All those other sources you listed are just speculating.

I am a Bjork fan, but that has nothing to do with why I think the names of notable accusers and accused should appear in this article. ---Another Believer (Talk) 01:44, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If you read the sources that you posted, you'll see that their language usually involves "it is believed" or "supposedly". Again, Bjork has not actually flat out said, "It was Lars von Trier."

You've made your point, and I'm not opposed to using similar wording in the article's prose. We've been over this already. ---Another Believer (Talk) 04:42, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you didn't just add his name to the Aftermath section, but I did it so that you'd let this go.

Thanks! --Another Believer (Talk) 20:30, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Sandstein: Do you care to contribute to this discussion since you mentioned mention of Lars von Trier? ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:12, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that per WP:BLP we should not report mere "speculation". We work with facts, not rumors.  Sandstein  22:51, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Sandstein: Alright, well, even the Lars von Trier article mentions Bjork's allegations. ---Another Believer (Talk) 02:33, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Names in "Aftermath" section

Should only notable people (aka people with Wikipedia articles) be mentioned here? ---Another Believer (Talk) 22:16, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:BLP, we should refrain from naming non-notable people, specifically per WP:BLPCRIME which states "For relatively unknown people, editors must seriously consider not including material in any article suggesting that the person has committed a crime, or is accused of having committed one, unless a conviction is secured. A conviction is secured through judicial proceedings; accusations, investigations and arrests do not amount to a conviction. WP:BLPCRIME applies to individuals who are not covered by WP:WELLKNOWN." -- Owlsmcgee (talk) 23:24, 29 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The whole section is currently a BLP violation because it's assumed that all the names are guilty of what they've been accused. It doesn't even say what they've been accused of beyond "inappropriate behavior". I'd be in favor of having a table of names with brief descriptions of these accusations. FallingGravity 05:24, 30 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

...which is why all of the names are followed by reference links. Moreover, no assumption of guilt is made. (However, many of these people have either apologized or been fired.)

@DocStrange, I feel that your changes to several of the individuals' professions should be changed back to "filmmaker". I know it's rather generic, but those people mostly do more than just one type of job. For example, Ben Affleck may be primarily known as an actor, but most of his film awards are for writing, producing, and directing.

RE: Peyton Manning -- not sure if we should include him. The allegations are from the same person who accused him a long time ago before #MeToo. The "new" accusations are essentially about the two of them arguing semantics (more of a legal matter than anything else). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.227.232 (talk) 23:14, 31 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Moreover, no assumption of guilt is made." No, this list is clearly guilt by association, lumping people accused of inappropriate behavior with accused rapists. Also, some of these people have denied these allegations while others have admitted them. FallingGravity 20:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So should we removed all people from the list who do not have their own Wikipedia articles? ---Another Believer (Talk) 03:34, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

No, while some of them don't have Wikipedia articles, they're still public figures. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 21:07, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, notability is a good criteria for inclusion, especially for one with BLP implications. FallingGravity 20:25, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tarana Burke

I feel it would be relevant/covering the bases to include a picture of Tarana Burke in the "Criticism" section.

(Also, maybe someone should start a page for her?)

Well, I just submitted a draft page for approval.

"Aftermath"

What are the criteria for inclusion in the "Aftermath" section? Allegations will continue to be made until the end of time, so what's the cut off, or how do we keep this section specific to "me too" in order for the article to stay on topic? ---Another Believer (Talk) 18:06, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This is a good question, so maybe end of the year, 31 December 2017? Btw, someone just removed the sentences about Lars Von Trier.

But that seems arbitrary. This article is about me too, not people who were accused of sexual misconduct in 2017 following the Harvey Weinstein scandal. And thanks for the heads up re: von Trier. ---Another Believer (Talk) 21:13, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I know what you mean, but look at what Uma Thurman just said -- she'll talk about sexual harassment/assault when she's ready to talk about it. This implies that she has either stories or accusations to share, and her statement was prompted by the #MeToo movement. It's obvious that many people are still working up their courage after being inspired by #MeToo, but it takes time for people to gather their thoughts, calm their emotions, and prepare lawsuits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 21:23, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. Delete all figures unrelated to the hashtag. Keep the rest. Ꞷumbolo 07:57, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

This aftermath section is getting ridiculous. This should ONLY be tied to figures who were outed in the #metoo campaign. It's hard to fathom how someone like Val Kilmer, accused of pushing someone too hard in an audition (which everyone who was there says wasn't true anyways) being linked in with rapists. Donmike10 (talk) 22:27, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Donmike10: This is per the linked article -- "Former actress Caitlin O’Heaney broke her NDA to speak out about what she says was a violent attack by Val Kilmer while she was auditioning for the Pamela Courson role in Oliver Stone’s “The Doors.” According to BuzzFeed News, O’Heaney, who starred in the 1982 ABC series “Tales of the Gold Monkey,” found the courage to talk about being allegedly assaulted by Kilmer after seeing so many actresses and former assistants come forward about their experiences with studio head Harvey Weinstein. “Women have come together, saying, ‘We’re not going to be fucked by you,’” O’Heaney said." Btw, being punched in the face is not the same as being pushed.

Re: Donald Trump -- Please stop adding him to the list until there is a new allegation post-October 2017. Although many news articles about him mention Weinstein/#MeToo, that's due to the current news cycle and does not mean that they are actually connected! The allegations were made against him prior to Weinstein/#MeToo. Furthermore, there's an entire Wikipedia page devoted to allegations against Trump. If this is your hobby, make updates there, not here.

Sounds like you have just admitted the sources connect it to Trump. Q.E.D. Game, set, match, friend. You lose. Peacebroker (talk) 18:28, 11 November 2017 (UTC) account is a blocked sock of Kingshowman[reply]

You obviously have reading comprehension problems: "The allegations were made against him prior to Weinstein/#MeToo." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 18:34, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Donald Trump -- look at the page dedicated solely to Trump's sexual misconduct allegations. The most-recent allegations were made in 2016. There's nothing new! Donald Trump sexual misconduct allegations — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 19:29, 11 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:: That's specious reasoning. By your logic, we should delete the Harvey Weinstein allegations from this page, since there is "already a page for that" and the Weinstein allegations have been around for years. What part of "the sources themselves have drawn the connection between #MeToo/the Weinstein furore and the Trump allegations of sexual assault against 16 different women, including asking him about it at the White House on October 16, 2017" is it that you're having trouble understanding? Just because YOU idiosyncratically think it "isn't related" is of no interest to anyone who isn't you. Every one of the sources I cited specifically drew the connection, and yet you keep sitting here bloviating about how "it isn't related, there are no new allegations" as if anyone possibly gives a shit about your personal opinion about what relates to what. The sources say it relates; this is governing, not whatever moronic personal views help you to sleep at night. Show me a source supporting your opinion that the two events "have no relation" and I might actually care what you say have to say. "Reading comprehension" my ass; YOU, my friend, are the one who was unable to divine from the sources I provided you that EVERY single one connected the recent subpoena of Trump and the questioning at the White House IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE WEINSTEIN ALLEGATIONS TO THE WEINSTEIN ALLEGATIONS. Your view that this is "just a coincidence" is of no possible interest to anyone who isn't you. Peacebroker (talk) 23:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC) account is a blocked sock of Kingshowman[reply]

Actually, Harvey Weinstein is not listed in the Aftermath section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

:: Touche. But I'd imagine he is in the article. Point being, you believe that the Trump subponea of October 15, 2017 had "no connection" to the Weinstein allegations. That's nice. Tell your family at Thanksgiving. The sources say otherwise. You haven't dealt with that point, and you effectively admitted it: "many news articles about him mention Weinstein/#MeToo, that's due to the current news cycle and does not mean that they are actually connected." We aren't interested in your views on what is connected to what. You admit the sources have stated the subpoena is connected to the Weinstein alelgations. That's more than sufficient to include him in the article. Peacebroker (talk) 00:19, 12 November 2017 (UTC) account is a blocked sock of Kingshowman[reply]

People still ask Roman Polanski and Samantha Geimer about him raping her. This doesn't make it a new allegation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 00:22, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Btw, in case you're unaware, subpoenas are frequently fishing expeditions. The side serving the subpoena doesn't exactly know what evidence exists, and it's not unusual for subpoenas to result in no new information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.112.229.80 (talk) 00:26, 12 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of local alternative hashtags

Delete the section and consider converting some sourced examples to prose and move into "International response" section. The list is currently indiscriminate, unreferenced and potentially incomplete. Ꞷumbolo 08:36, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 13 November 2017

In the "Origin" section, unlink EL from "article" and "piece" and put a reference at the end of that line for this URL. Ꞷumbolo 08:46, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Protected edit request on 13 November 2017

Add following person to aftermath:

  • Bart De Pauw, Belgian TV figure, actor"VRT breekt volledig met Bart De Pauw na beschuldigingen van grensoverschrijdend gedrag en seksuele intimidatie". standaard.be. October 20, 2017. Retrieved November 13, 2017."Vrouwen doorbreken de stilte". standaard.be. October 20, 2017. Retrieved November 13, 2017.


Anonymous complaints arrived for Bart De Pauw, explicitly mentioning the #MeToo movement as the reason why the accusers decided to make the complaints. Bart De Pauw is a televisionmaker, public figure and actor. The national television shut down cooperation with him after 30 years of making television. StevenRoose (talk) 12:09, 13 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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