User talk:Rhinopias

Metridium dianthus

Metridium senile is now considered to be a synonym of Metridium dianthus (see this link). Your edit here was incorrect because apparently the long-accepted name Metridium senile is no longer considered valid. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 07:55, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, @Cwmhiraeth: Sorry, I didn't notice your edit summary on Metridium dianthus on August 1. I've restored them to how they were but removed Metridium senile from the list of species on Metridium. Should I request a technical move to rename Metridium senile to dianthus? Otherwise, I don't think me changing each instance of the name on the page to dianthus and adding senile as a synonym would be beneficial. – Rhinopias (talk) 14:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

I tried moving it, but the process requires an administrator for technical reasons. You are welcome to proceed as you think fit, or do nothing, as I lazily did. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 17:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

There was a quick response to your technical move request, the article has been moved to the new name and I have edited it where necessary. Thanks. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 10:15, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

RFPP

No need to apologize for placing a request--it's all good, this is why they pay me and Samsara the big bucks. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 16:14, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

@Drmies: Oh, that's what you meant when you said would I mind about you not forwarding the mail! Samsara 16:45, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

No one mentioned Special:DirectDeposit? – Rhinopias (talk) 21:11, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Your edits to The Titan's Curse

Hey there, Rhinopias. Just a slight complaint I guess about your recent edits to The Titan's Curse. Your edit summaries calling the "prophecy" text "obviously from a separate edition" and the "meaning" text "likely OR" indicate that you have not read the rest of the page or viewed other pages related to the series. Now, I'm not asking that you revert your changes - I get that you pulled the sections mostly because they were unreferenced, which is an unforgivable problem. Had I the time right now, I would take care of this issue. However, I do ask that in the future you read more of the relevant pages before deleting so much text. I only bring this up because I am constantly defending these types of sections, and much better referenced ones too. I've found it's more straightforward to ask an editor to read more carefully before blanking entire sections, rather than trying to convince them to allow those sections back in after they're already gone. Please ping me if you respond to this message. Happy editing! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:30, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, 2ReinreB2! I first compared the current article's structure (prior to my removals) to that when it was promoted to a good article in order to help me determine whether or not I believe that the "meaning" section is original research, as it was collecting some interesting edits. If it was present when the article was promoted, the reviewer accepted the interpretation and the simple listing of the prophecy text as verifiable and as appropriate inclusions in that particular section of the article, or the article itself.

In regards to the listing of the prophecy, I don't think that the article and—in particular—the plot summary lead the reader to the realization that the prophecy is important enough to the plot for its transcription. The only mention of the prophecy is in its utilization for a quest for the characters, pushing the plot forward. (With the line "the Oracle (a shriveled mummy) somehow leaves the attic where it was kept and delivers the Huntress a prophecy. Chiron and Zoë organize a quest …") It doesn't seem appropriate to include it without context of why the text of the prophecy is important. And it doesn't make sense for its only rationalization for inclusion to be for explaining its interpretation, because its interpretation (the "meaning" of it) is simply a reiteration of the plot summary (e.g., with "consisting of", "followed", "consisted of", "in the end"). Its inclusion simply for its perceived importance to the novel without an explanation of why is also against WP:INDISCRIMINATE. For a good article especially, we need to have high encyclopedic standards according to our policy.

Whether or not the interpretation of the prophecy is important to the article, it should not belong in the plot summary section according to MOS:PLOT ("Interpretation of the plot taken from reliable sources can be included elsewhere in the article to provide additional information"). However, the interpretation is simply original research… unless there is a source utilized in the article that explains each line of the prophecy in such detail (or it exists somewhere and could be added back, into an interpretive section), it is our own information that we are adding to the article. (Additionally, the prophecy text as it is currently written prior to removal incorporates original research in its use of wikilinks that direct to the meaning of the words, which is also misleading.) From WP:OR: "Articles must not contain any new analysis or synthesis that reaches or implies a conclusion not clearly stated in the published sources." If the interpretation of the prophecy isn't reaching or implying something, then it must be reiterating the plot and is redundant. If it is reaching a conclusion, I'm challenging its verifiability. Let me know if you'd like me to clarify something further. – Rhinopias (talk) 22:58, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

I apologize for assuming you had not done this much research; that was unfair of me. I have a pet peeve about editors taking action based on faulty info and then refusing to consider alternate viewpoints. I have had several editors come into a book's article and delete chunks of text, often related to a prophecy or something similar, because they believe that the text is OR. In these cases, even when the book itself was specifically referenced, the editor thought such an analysis could not have been from the book itself, mainly because they had never read the novel or looked at other sources of info about it. After the relevant sections were redacted, it was then like pulling teeth to get any bit allowed back in even if it was crucial to the plot summary. So I switched my strategy about trying to save "falsely accused" information. I apologize if I came off too argumentative when you've done nothing wrong; this will be yet another learning experience for me.

I do reiterate that this particular section was unreferenced (it is actually taken from the novel itself, although this may not be apparent) and so had to die. So I'm not criticizing your actions, and I very much appreciate the time you took to research and respond to me. Happy editing! -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:41, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

@2ReinreB2: I'd use the term "research" loosely. It was more… instinct? :} But I very much appreciate your approach to this disagreement and I hope that my response did not seem like I was attacking you, just defending my actions. I haven't necessarily done "nothing wrong" as my actions could be interpreted as not improving the article, but I don't know if policies and guidelines are ever really ignored in a circumstance like this.

If consensus is against you about some content being original research, the content must be verified. We did not seek a consensus, so if you still disagree with me we could begin a discussion the article's talk page. Someone may be able to suggest how and where the prophecy could be made relevant, but it just depends on what's out there. If there are no reliable sources discussing a particular topic on a subject (which is the article), then it can't be included regardless of the article's notability. (As said in WP:No original research: "All material in Wikipedia must be attributable to a reliable, published source.") Though, the interpretation of the prophecy is not taken directly from the novel; it is synthesized from material within the novel (the reliable source). – Rhinopias (talk) 22:29, 9 October 2017 (UTC)

No, no, we're fine. My problem is not with this specific article, more with the practice of removing text without working to otherwise improve the article in general. -- 2ReinreB2 (talk) 03:12, 10 October 2017 (UTC)

What measure is non-minor?

When a edit is minor I click minor. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gyrkin (talk • contribs) 23:48, 15 October 2017 (UTC)

(See #Marking edits as "minor") – Rhinopias (talk) 21:25, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

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Gallery

Thank you for showing me how to improve a gallery! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:55, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: no problem! Though I did snag that from some GA (I've since forgotten the name of) that had an aesthetically pleasing image gallery. :P – Rhinopias (talk) 21:15, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

That's what I like about our project ;) - What I don't like? Arbitration enforcement, for example, or article tags ;) - Happy editing! ----Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:38, 21 October 2017 (UTC)

Questions

Good day, You mentioned a few of my edits on my talk page. Honestly, I don't intend them to be advertisement. The Rubina Kuraoka Audiobook edit was made because I thought that people could find it interesting. It was hardly advertisement to me, since I doubt that any native englisch speaker will get it. And the others... I add books to films that were released YEARS ago. That can mostly only be bought used, so that the publishers wouldn't get any prift from them anyway. And with the audiobooks... I'm just trying to add interesting aspects to articles. Sure, the voice of somebody is very porsenal, I'm happy for everybody who can leave things like that behind. But I'm never about advertisement. Robudor (talk) 03:11, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Robudor. As I mentioned, it looks a bit like promotion, but I trusted that you were making those additions with good intentions. I think that, going forward, it would be beneficial for you to check out pages within the "Policies and Guidelines" section of the welcome message on your talk page to learn how your contributions can benefit the project. (Also listed here.) There are many, many policies and guidelines out there, so I am not at all suggesting that you read through everything prior to contributing! I personally started becoming familiar with policies and guidelines by removing vandalism and by making small fixes (grammar and wikitext, for example), which are more clear-cut than creating content in articles in Wikipedia's encyclopedic style, especially for biographical articles. Making small fixes helps me become acquainted with more and more components of the Manual of Style. – Rhinopias (talk) 22:05, 29 October 2017 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Anna Marguerite McCann

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DYK for Monterey Bay Aquarium

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Precious

aquarium

Thank you for quality articles such as Monterey Bay Aquarium and Anna Marguerite McCann, for helpful collaboration, welcoming new users and fighting vandalism, for giving reasons, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:23, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Why thank you, Gerda! You're too kind. :] – Rhinopias (talk) 21:51, 7 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello, it is a common knowledge in aquarium fish keeping that both ammonia and nitrite must be 0ppm for fish to stay alive long term. The old text I edited was clearly wrong. It said it must reach a certain concentration for it to be harmful. It is false. Both ammonia and nitrite even at the slightest concentration will harm the fish even if it does not kill the fish outright. Do not quote me on it. Ask on any fish forum to see how experts answer.  :)

Congrats on the Monterey Bay Aquarium DYK

Wanted to introduce myself and say great job on the Aquarium's WP page. Good use of DYK and GA.Sgerbic (talk) 04:58, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I second Sgerbic's kudos, and also for snagging the picture on the DYK. I have been to the aquarium once and did not realize that it was in the last cannery standing before I got there. It was so cool to see that the aquarium is continuing and adding to the history of Cannery Row. I am ecstatic that you brought that out in the article and that the aquarium revitalized the area. And, all the other details that you brought out. Congratulations on a Job Well Done. And thank you for your efforts. Shortsword (talk) 05:14, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

Sgerbic, Shortsword: thank you both so much! I'm quite enamored by the org, and that picture was from a visit in 2015 when I had a family member's fancy DSLR I had (/still have) no idea how to use. Took me quite a while to get going on the rewrite but I'm glad I stuck with it because it turned out to be better than I expected! – Rhinopias (talk) 14:03, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

So it got honoured by a second round on the Main page, but reached the stats yesterday already. Go for FA now. You can start by peer review. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

I think I'd like to make a few other minor additions and go over the sources in detail before I submit for PR sometime in the near future, and hopefully for FA. Thank you for your insistence, though, Gerda! – Rhinopias (talk) 03:29, 9 November 2017 (UTC)

Misclick

Sorry, stubby finger on a screen too small! DrKay (talk) 17:16, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

No worries! – Rhinopias (talk) 19:17, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

DYK for Anna Marguerite McCann

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Nautilus

With all due respect, you could take 5 or 10 minutes to try and find a citation yourself. Best regards.--Kieronoldham (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Rhinopias I am no expert in this field of study, and do not pretend to be, but this book may qualify as a reputable source for the issue in question. Kind regards, --Kieronoldham (talk) 03:36, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

I have been looking for sources for it while working on the same at Argonaut (animal). Whether or not I was thoughtful enough to do so, I don't think I should be faulted for reinstating the 4-year-old tag on something unverified. That source is good for a modern addition to the old claim! This entry at Dictionary.com pretty much covers the line also. I can add them now. – Rhinopias (talk) 03:54, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

No worries. Best regards, Rhinopias. --Kieronoldham (talk) 03:57, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

@Kieronoldham:, I've added that book source/clarification to Argonaut (animal) because I'm not sure the argonaut's biology is relevant to the lead of Nautilus? Thanks for moving me along. :P – Rhinopias (talk) 04:24, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Thanks, Rhinopias. I'll check it in a few moments. I just personally resolve into trying to find at least one citation per day (or every other day). Regards, Kez.--Kieronoldham (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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