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The Christian section under Depiction is too long

That section makes it seem as if the wiki page is about Christianity's understanding of God. The section under Islam can be just as large if not bigger but it has a little and the rest is referred to another page. The same should be done to Christianity. It should be the same size as the Judaism, Islam and Zoroastrianism sections. Remove/reduce most of the section and the referral to "God in Christianity" should be put in that section. Restored a tag that was removed. The other sections shouldn't be made as long, they should instead refer to another page.CaliphoShah (talk) 16:45, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The Christianity and Islam sections should be roughly equal size, but per WP:DUE, those two sections should probably be larger than the Zoroastrianism section. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:40, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Zoroastranism doesn't have an article about the view of that religion on God. Therefore, it seems fair to increase the section of Islam to be bigger and at the same time reduce the Christianity section. Zoroastrianism has about 80 words. Getting the Islam section to 100 to 200 and reducing Christianity section to the same range seems like a good thing. CaliphoShah (talk) 20:49, 6 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
200 for Christianity, 200 for Islam, and 80 for Zoroastrianism would be 41.5% Christianity, 41.5% Islam, and 17% Zoroastrianism. That's not terribly far off in the approximation of what percentage of the world is Christian or Muslim, but Zoroastrianism currently makes up less than 1% of the world's population. It's only because of its historical influence (and discussion in academic sources relating to more common religions) that gives its own subsection.
That said, looking a bit more at the Christianity section in more detail, it probably just needs to be trimmed of any original research or unreliably sourced material, and then anything beyond that shuffled off to another article (probably God the Father in Western art and Depiction of Jesus). Ian.thomson (talk) 02:56, 7 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds fair. I'll try to trim original research and unreliable sourced material and move what seems to be more historical into the proposed separate pages. CaliphoShah (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 23:24, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It seems many of the text is verbatim from the God the Father in Western art article as if someone was doing a copy paste. There doesn't seem to be further info lost from trimming that section but it seems best to verify just in case. CaliphoShah (talk) 23:53, 14 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
off-topic, this is not a forum for general discussion of monotheism
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
Any knowledgeable person considers these religions the same, and about monotheism. The article should rather cancel unnecessary factors, and sum it up as being about one divine, "Thé God" and a typical set of moral structures. SkyBluenezz (talk) 15:39, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Sky Letter, monotheism is the belief in only one god - it does not mean all monotheists believe in the 'same' god. Whilst the Abrahamic religions can be said to share the same god, there are many knowledgeable Sikhs, Hindus and other monotheists who would take exception to your claim. Obscurasky (talk) 11:40, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Be enligthened. They are all about the same. You see, monotheistic logic implies that anytime you have one god alone, it is the same as anyone who worships the one god. And social science dictates that for any evolutionary society to exist, there must have been a revelation of reality among them. Without this harmonization with reality, only jungle mentality exists. Since our culture, and all cultures all over the world knows more advancedness than this, it must be so. SkyBluenezz (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What you have written above is your belief. You are, of course, free to believe whatever you want, but you should recognise too that not everyone agrees with you. It's ok to state, in an article, that a particular belief exists, but it's not ok to report the belief itself as a fact when consensus does not exist. Obscurasky (talk) 18:53, 5 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I think I expressed myself, clearly and universally. If learnedness is not what you are about, and real facts, you should not be discussing a major article like "God". SkyBluenezz (talk) 15:46, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I'll bear it in mind. Obscurasky (talk) 23:55, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
All faiths like to be treated equally in this regard. Equal space for every framework. Pandeist (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
It really is a similar philosophical space. In the context of "philosophy" this is often understood. Philosophers within each "religion" is considered dealing with similar topics. Politics is really just derivations of interpretations, of revelations. And "God" is a germanic concept, based on Odin (Wotan/Gotan) which in turn is based on the proto-indo-european concept Dyaus. In these times, associated with pantheism by people such as Einstein aswell, and later ofcourse the whole estoeric/new age/similar. Allah is a 1:1 culturally corresponding conceptm in Arabic culture, without the idolaterous associations. That would be a good and scholary viewpoint, that sees "God" as a pointer to something universal, and that learned men know much about. SkyBluenezz (talk) 15:38, 10 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
The user "Doug Weller" seems problematic and keeps changing article and moderating this discussion, in a direction that is very obscure. If this is the way wikipedia is going, it is useless. SkyBluenezz (talk) 01:46, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Semi-protected edit request on 22 October 2017

Change "I am who I am" to "I AM WHO I AM" in all caps to quote the exact verse in the Bible Johsnde (talk) 22:57, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The typography is not part of the exact verse and varies from version to version. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 00:00, 23 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Why I removed the Adonai=Aten etymology from the lead

As I explained in my edit summary, Adonai comes from the Semitic word adōn, meaning "lord," which is most likely derived from Proto-Semitic *'adan, meaning "to judge." The name of the Greek god Adonis is probably derived from the same Semitic root, but the name of the Egyptian god Aten is probably etymologically unrelated. The hypothesis that Adonai is derived from Aten was proposed by Sigmund Freud, who was a psychologist, not an expert on ancient Near Eastern languages. The other sources cited to support the hypothesis are just reporting what Freud himself argued. While Freud's etymology is plausible, it is certainly not probable and, even if it were true, it would be WP:UNDUE to put it in the lead. --Katolophyromai (talk) 17:16, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

God

God is in the believer of that god, without that believer there is no God - I'd call him/her Luck. God please let me eat I'm hungry, I say, and then I catch food, my God is real. The next day I ask for pretend help and once again I am rewarded - God created. Humans created their own gods where they needed to, food, natural disasters, shelter, control of your subjects and threats of NOT Believing in the God I created - I need you to build my temple in my name as I am closer to the gods than you.... Bull Shit. God is in yourself, do unto others and we can all live without GOD. Sorry, not for the weak minded (subjects). Believe in yourself and do the right thing - don't and god will punish you...nah fuck that, do the right thing or live with the consequence - what would you do if I did something horrible like kill your loved one - the same back, so don't kill my loved one first. Do unto others and humans may survive their own world, keep digging and Nature will wipe us all out, not God, Nature (where we all live).