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http://i.imgur.com/yY9Ullg.jpg --144.122.250.186 (talk) 15:58, 2 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Is this Tank Man too?

Is the person that appears on a bicycle on 2:50 the same Tank Man? The reporter says he is. But I can't find anywhere else that he tried to stop the tanks as well on a bike? http://deredactie.be/cm/vrtnieuws/videozone/nieuws/buitenland/2.33381/MV_140514_TIE_2_feiten%2B%2B — Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.4.154.85 (talk) 14:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk · contribs) 21:33, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Will start soon--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 21:46, 22 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A few comments:

One fact is referenced in the body and the lead picture. It only needs to be referenced in the body.
More adequate referencing needed
Shouldn't the parameter in Citation #15 be CBS News?
Expand Citation #17 and #31.
Four dead links.
First image should have a fair use rationale.

--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 15:06, 26 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

- I'll have to fail this because no action within ten days. Feel free to renominate.--Tomandjerry211 (alt) (talk) 17:54, 5 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Date of the event?

User Stuartfranklin was convinced that the photo was shot on 4th June, not on 5th as currently stated in the article, and we can quote a recent book http://www.phaidon.com/agenda/photography/articles/2016/april/05/how-stuart-franklin-took-his-tank-man-photograph/ for that. According to the People's Liberation Army at Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 article's timeline, that means the tank man was blocking the tanks while they are entering the square instead of leaving it. --Skyfiler (talk) 21:38, 4 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As someone who has visited the site a number of times in person, it is clear by the location of the landmarks in the photos and video that the tanks are indeed leaving T-square, not entering it. The Square itself is seen in the background with with the large Chinese museum visible to the upper left of the photos. I can't speak to the date, but even a scan of Google Earth can verify that they the tanks are heading east after departing from the northeast corner of T-square. Vespid (talk) 21:38, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Should the location and direction be clarified?

Currently, the article states "The incident took place at the north edge of Tiananmen Square," which isn't quite true. The incident took place almost a block away from Tiananmen square, which is important because the tank column had actually left the Square, not heading towards it or along it as many public discussions and articles elsewhere misrepresent (or at least leave unclear). I realize it is somewhat implied, but should it be stated more clearly here that the tanks had left the square and are heading away when this confrontation occurred? Since we don't know what they had just done, where they were going, or what they were about to do, it seems to me that being as specific as possible based on what we do know is important. To anyone that has actually been to the site, the actual location and direction is clear in the wider photos and vids of the event. Vespid (talk) 21:59, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Western media censoring??

I find it ironic that this iconic video support that china military was not that evil and tried not to squash him.

However most westerners back then only saw the part of him standing up to the tanks in their media, and quite a few swear they definitely saw him got killed afterwards. Yet the part where he climbs on the tank, allegedly has a chat with the driver and climbs down. That part of the video has never been shown in western mainstream media. It's been cut short before he literally climbs on the tank and the tanks clearly did not want to squash him.

Should we include the fact that when the video was shown to the western world, the public weren't shown the second half of the video clip. Because it makes china look reasonable. Or neigh?? Give me your objective thoughts

Personally I believe that hawkish media of the west mishandled the video clip by deliberately cutting it short. And that was wrong. But that is just me. 120.18.180.210 (talk) 17:28, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know where you're getting your information, but that part of the video has definitely been shown. See Frontline's documentary. DonQuixote (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I meant mass media on the same week. Not newer media that few people watch on a daily basis. My sources were from 2 articles and supplemented by myself watching YouTube videos of the full footage and seeing the comments of people saying that it's fake. That the real video showed him being squashed. I didn't know initially which to believe so I then went to wikipedia to find out the facts and realised after reading, it was likely the real footage. ln addition, I read the following article lonk below explaining the Mandela affect as most people who first saw the footage are stubbornly certain that they did not see him climb the tank. Because that part was not obviously showed. There is also other things. That made me feel there is media telling not the full story.

I realised that few to none people got killed in the actual physical tiananmen square. Yet my impression was that everyone in the square was massacred on the spot. That's not really a well-known fact. Or that there's an alarmingly lack of visual evidence of mass massacres. It's heavily based on verbal words.

And lastly protesters actually had different groups that demanded completely different things, which has nothing to do with democracy or freedom. “Dadao tanguan” was demanded among some students, which is about corruption, not democracy. Yet the entire protest was usually labelled as all of them for democracy. And corruption was never mentioned im the newspapers or tv news media. Or at the very least, I cannot find it.

However this article is about tank man and alarmingly the general western public seem extremely convinced that he was squashed.

https://mandelaeffect.com/tianamen-square-tank-boy/

https://www.theguardian.com/notesandqueries/query/0,5753,-2317,00.html 120.18.180.210 (talk) 19:25, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a contemporary article from a reliable source describing the event. It clearly mentions everything and nothing was censored. DonQuixote (talk) 20:37, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

most people who witnessed the history of tank man were watching TV and not a column on some newspaper. When i said mass media, i meant the one with statistically highest exposure level. That is the media i am referring to. Deliberately cutting short a clip where tanks avoided him and he cheekily climbs on top of a tank, was definitely not shown on people's tv sets. Otherwise he would be famous now for climbing on a tank instead of simply standing up to them and that's it.

I mean technically speaking, America's coverup of unit 731 is not at all censored in western media. There are like one or 2 articles lying around but they are so difficult to find. And so few people in America know about it despite its significance. Similarly western public are shocked when they watch YouTube and see that he climbs on top of a tank. It is safe to say that tank man climbing and standing on top of the tank itself is not a well-known piece of general knowledge.

Instead many swear that when watching TV, that he definitely died. There's too many people who have the Mandela effect in regards to this. Below is an excerpt.

"Many have memories of a young protester – known as ‘Tank Man’ since his identity has never been revealed – being run over by a tank after he stood in protest in Tiananmen Square, Beijing, after the massacre of civilians by Chinese troops on 4 June 1989. ‘Tank Man’ protested by bravely standing in front of a column of Chinese tanks. A lot of people remember seeing footage of the unnamed protester being run over by the tanks…when he was actually pulled away by officials after standing his ground for several minutes"

Source of above-mentioned paragraph.

https://www.lifedeathprizes.com/amazing-stuff/mandela-effect-false-memories-56413#KRLYbUCiyFEABT73.99 120.18.180.210 (talk) 22:23, 3 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]