Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Royalty and Nobility

Royal house or family?

What is the difference between a royal house and a royal family? Specifically, I am looking at the subcategories of Category:Royal families, and see a hodgepodge of "families", "houses", and "dynasties". To what extent is there a meaningful difference between these terms, or more specifically how they are being used? Thank you, -- Black Falcon ^(talk) 05:12, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

For all intents and purposes, there is no difference. That being said, scale seems to be one of the defining differences if you want to find one. Dynasties are, at least generally, the largest unit. This would include things like the greater Capetian dynasty or the Oldenburg dynasty. A house is usually a specific branch of a dynasty, such as the House of Capet or the House of Glücksburg. And a family often refers to either a smaller house, like the House of Artois, or a part of a house that lived simultaneously, such as the immediate royal family at any one time. But in reality, there are no specific rules defining these three terms and they are widely used interchangeably, including on Wikipedia. In my own research, I often switch between the three without distinction.  – Whaleyland (Talk • Contributions) 06:16, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

@Black Falcon reading the articles House of Windsor and British royal family may help explain the difference. -- PBS (talk) 22:20, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

And for that matter, the House of Saxe-Coburg-Gotha and House of Wettin articles. Using my own definitions, I would call Wettin the dynasty, Saxe-Coburg-Gotha/Windsor the house, and the British royal family the, well, family. Note that whereas a dynasty and house are strictly genealogical in nature and outside the control of members of the dynasty or house (although members can declare other members and branches illegitimate, morganic, etc), the family is entirely an arbitrary construct under the control of its members. – Whaleyland (Talk • Contributions) 07:26, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

I think the British royal family may be an exception because the term "royal family" is used so extensively by the media that it is just the common term. No one would call it the "royal dynasty" or "royal house" although you hear the phrase "House of Windsor" used from time to time. Bermicourt (talk) 07:55, 20 July 2019 (UTC)

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List under attack

An attempt to delete the List of British monarchy records that has thrived for a dozen years has been announced in terms of history-related, United Kingdom-related, and list-related discussions but not those relating to royalty. I hope those here are aware. LE (talk) 21:46, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

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Question

I have just joined this Wikiproject and am very excited about it. I do have a question - is there a place to list new royalty articles so other members can look at/improve/edit them as well? Thank you! --Kbabej (talk) 23:21, 13 April 2019 (UTC)

The page in question is Amon N'Douffou V. --Kbabej (talk) 16:10, 18 April 2019 (UTC)

Hoax?

Talk:House of Este Orioles can use more input, if you feel like helping out. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:50, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Separate templates for princes & princesses

Since this applies to a bunch of different monarchies, figured it might be worth bringing up here. There's currently a weird separation of templates that list over all time princes. A few examples from Category:European royalty and nobility navigational boxes

• {{Danish princes}} {{Danish princesses}}, {{Danish consorts}}, and {{Danish princesses by marriage}}
• {{Greek princes}} {{Greek princesses}}, {{Greek consorts}}, and {{Greek princesses by marriage}}
• {{Swedish princes}} {{Swedish princesses}}, {{Swedish consorts}}, and {{Swedish princesses by marriage}}

This doesn't make any sense to me. Who is interested in ONLY the princes, or only princessess by marriage, but doesn't care what time it happened? If there's navigational templates to be had, it'd be by time period; a brother, sister, and brother-in-law are going to have far more in common with each other, and be much more useful links, than a princess born in 1967 and one born in 1745. Yet the existing system puts those three hypothetical royals who likely interacted with each other a lot into three different templates. I recognize it's be a fair amount of work, but any thoughts on slowly reworking these templates into being done era style? SnowFire (talk) 15:00, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Those templates have bothered me for quite some time and it is possible that this may be the reason. Your suggestion sounds very reasonable. Surtsicna (talk) 16:20, 5 May 2019 (UTC)

Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Shane O'Neill (son of Conn) (the 16th-century Irish king) to be moved to Shane O'Neill, with the latter moving to Shane O'Neill (disambiguation). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion at Talk:Shane O'Neill (son of Conn)#Requested move 28 May 2019. --Scolaire (talk) 17:49, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

MOS:JOBTITLES

I posted this at WP:NCROY and someone suggested here as well.

Does anyone want to offer input for MOS:JOBTITLES bullet 3 ? That recentish add was being read that “Queen of” should be decapitalised to “queen of”.

Full disclosure - I’m thinking it should be capitalised. I think if the specific nation is named then the phrase is a proper noun phrase. And also that “Queen” is a royal title, not a JOBTITLE.

So have any inputs ? Cheers Markbassett (talk) 03:23, 15 June 2019 (UTC)

Monarchy of Fiji article listed for deletion

The Monarchy of Fiji article has been nominated for deletion here. --Kbabej (talk) 19:47, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Genealogy

If anyone here is interested, we are looking for volunteers at WikiProject Genealogy. Thanks! Tea and crumpets (talk) 01:04, 2 July 2019 (UTC)

Seeking collaboration/assistance

Greetings to all,

Putting out this message out there to seek collaboration and/or any assistance any of you could offer with regards to two pages: Nawabs of Bengal and Murshidabad and the Bengal Sultanate. Aiming to better the quality of the former to satisfy the criteria of possible future FA nomination and the later to the quality required for a possible GA nomination. I had worked on the former and helped promote it to a GA in 2012, but given schedule with regards to school and personal life I do not see being able to work on these two alone.

Alternatively copying and pasting this on other relevant WikiProject discussions. Looking forward to your response. Thank you! --Tamravidhir (talk!) 07:10, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

Era-style change

There is a discussion to change the era-style on the following articles: Aristobulus I, Alexander Jannaeus, & Aristobulus II. @WikiProject_Judaism#Requesting_consensus_to_change_era-style. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 16:05, 21 August 2019 (UTC)

Template:Kings of Israel and Template:Kings of Judah

There is a discussion @WP:BIBLE#Templates:Kings_of_Israel_(Samaria)_and_Kings_of_Judah to possibly remove Template:Kings of Israel and Template:Kings of Judah completely from articles. — JudeccaXIII (talk) 18:27, 25 August 2019 (UTC)

Call for portal maintainers

Are there any editors from this WikiProject willing to maintain Portal:Monarchy? The Portals guideline requires that portals be maintained, and as a result numerous portals have been recently been deleted via MfD largely becasue of lack of maintenance. Let me know either way, and thanks, UnitedStatesian (talk) 15:26, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

I would like to help if there is any way a noob can help! Let me know how you need me, I am a good writer and know a ton about current and past monarchies (and am able to cite sources for that knowledge, of course). --EdwardBrighton (talk) 03:29, 27 September 2019 (UTC)