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Kabir Helminski

Further information: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kabir Helminski

Hi there. You deleted my article on Kabir Helminski on 12 September. Is is possible for me to be given access to the article as a draft so I can re-work it in light of the comments? I believe I can add plenty more independent sources that will show that Kabir Helminski is notable figure in his field. Thanks. Danthedervish (talk) 14:53, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

What sources do you have that would establish notability? — JJMC89 02:55, 18 September 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt response. I'll need to compile a list and get back to you. In the meantime, one query: Do endorsements from independent, leading figures in the field which feature on the back of Helminski's books not count as 'independent sources'? This is what I infer following the feedback on my first attempt at this article, though it was not made explicit in any of the comments I received. Many thanks for your help. Danthedervish (talk) 16:57, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

No, those aren't going to help. — JJMC89 01:51, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Here are some sources I would use to establish notability:

Articles in academic journals that cite Helminski's work/books:

'Muslims in the United States: Pluralism under Exceptional Circumstances' by Kathleen M. Moore,The Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Science 2007; 612; p. 116

'Peace in Islam in the light of Quran and traditions of Prophet Muhammad' by Nazar Ul Islam, G K Sharma, Riyaz Ahmad Ganai, Asian Journal of Multidisciplinary Studies, Volume 2, Issue 1, January 2014

'Eclectic Sufism in the Contemporary Arab World' by Mark Sedgwick, Tidsskrift for Islamforskning 11 (1), 2017, p.65-82

'Hybrid Identity Formations in Muslim America: The Case of American Sufi Movements' by Marcia Hermansen, The Muslim World, 90, Spring, 2000

'Mawlana and the west: with special reference to translation' by Amin Karimnia et al, Elixir Linguistics and Translation, 46 (2012)

'Sufism in Latin America: a preliminary survey' by Mark Sedgwick, Melancolia 3 (2018) pp. 4-34

'How does Prohibition stop working? The visibility and legitimacy of Mevlevi ceremonies in modern Turkey' by Sağlam, Burcu, thesis submitted to the Graduate School of Humanities and Social Sciences of İstanbul Şehir University

'Geschichtstheologie aus eschatologischer Sicht' by Rüdiger Lohlker, Arabische Miszellen: Studien zur arabischen Welt.

Reviews of Helminski's books in periodicals:

Library Journal, September 1, 1992, Marilyn E. Schafer, review of Living Presence: A Sufi Way to Mindfulness and the Essential Self, p. 180

Library Journal, May 1, 1999, Graham Christian, review of The Knowing Heart: A Sufi Path of Transformation, p. 86

Parabola, 'Number and Symbol,' 24.3, Fall 1999, Erik S. Ohlander, review of The Knowing Heart, p. 102

Publishers Weekly, May 13, 1996, review of Jewels of Remembrance: A Daybook of Spiritual Guidance: Containing 365 Selections from the Wisdom of … Rumi, p. 68

Publisher's Weekly, December 12, 2005, review of The Beliefnet Guide to Islam, p. 60

Interviews:

Helminski has been interviewed by many organisations with an interest in spirituality. If you think it would help establish notability, I can list a number of them.

Popular novel that cites Helminski as an influence:

The Forty Rules of Love by Elif Shafak

Danthedervish (talk) 13:20, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

International Influence:

Helminski has been an advisor to Ansor, the World's largest Muslim youth organization, as it formulated a detailed roadmap for the reform of Islamic Orthdoxy. He is is prominently quoted on the second page of their "Declaration on Humanitarian Islam."

https://www.baytarrahmah.org/media/2017/Gerakan-Pemuda-Ansor_Declaration-on-Humanitarian-Islam.pdf

Danthedervish (talk) 12:27, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

@Smartse and Pharaoh of the Wizards: Since this is not my area of expertise, I'd appreciate your input. Does any of the above sourcing change your opinion on Helminski's notability? — JJMC89 20:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

One final thing: I'd like Smartse and Pharaoh of the Wizards to be aware that Helminski was named as one of the "500 Most Influential Muslims in the World" by the Royal Islamic Strategic Studies Center in association with Georgetown University - see here: https://www.themuslim500.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/TheMuslim500-2009-low.pdf

His books have been translated into 11 different languages by reputable publishers (not self-published - these publishers can be listed if necessary). He was the first Westerner to be initiated as a teacher within the Mevlevi Sufi Order (independent citation can be provided), and is also one of the original signatories of "A Common Word Between Us and You," an open letter by influential Islamic scholars to Christian leaders, calling for peace and understanding which drew a lot of media coverage. See here: https://www.acommonword.com

These sources were included in my original attempt at this article and I was a little surprised that they weren't enough to establish notability. Hopefully though, with the new ones I've provided above, his notability can be clearly seen.

Danthedervish (talk) 08:46, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

Pinging @Smartse and Pharaoh of the Wizards: again since the first one seems to not have gone through. — JJMC89 02:50, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

DA poster

File:First Downton Abbey Movie poster.jpg No objection to it's deletion as uploader at this time.--Mark Miller (talk) 04:50, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

• I made a change to the explanation that I believe demonstrates that the poster itself is discussed with a reference. It was the original poster first put out by Focus features.--Mark Miller (talk) 07:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

  (talk page watcher) I don't see how the reader seeing a non-free image of a poster showing the abbey with a list of cast members significantly improves the reader's understanding of what is basically a section whose content is nothing more than an embedded list of same people. A non-free file which is basically a list of names located next to a Wikipedia list of names doesn't really seem to be needed at all per WP:NFC#CS, WP:FREER or even WP:TEXTASIMAGES. Moreover, the source cited in the caption of image doesn't even seem to be referring to the same poster, but rather the poster used in the main infobox and there's no critical commentary of either poster (e.g. their design, any controversies associated with them); the word "poster" seems to have been only actually been used once throughout the entire cited article and used in a way more likely considered to be a trivial mention than significant critical commentary. If this was being discussed at WP:FFD, I don't think a consensus would be established that this type of non-free use even comes close to complying with WP:NFCC, but perhaps some others would feel differently. -- Marchjuly (talk) 08:29, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

Admin newsletter signup

Hi! I notice that JJMC89 bot is signing new admins up to the Admin Newsletter automatically - was this discussed somewhere? Initial discussion around the newsletter resulted in somewhat of a consensus that the newsletter should be purely opt-in, so just not sure if I missed a discussion. Thanks! Sam Walton (talk) 15:25, 2 October 2019 (UTC)

​No. It was just me not setting the configuration correctly. I added the list three months ago with the intention of only dealing with renames. I've corrected the configuration now. — JJMC89 07:04, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Oh, great, thanks! Sam Walton (talk) 08:56, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

College Basketball DRV

I got a ping that you mentioned me in the college basketball DRV you closed but I can't figure out where or what you said. Am I missing something? Smartyllama (talk) 12:51, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know why you got a notification. The only think I added there was the close. — JJMC89 02:48, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Some help please

Hello JJMC89, I made a draft on a subject mentioned in the reliable media as "noted philosopher". His books have been commented on and referenced by Jean-Luc Nancy, Bernard Stiegler, Robert Bernasconi and many others. There are exclusive articles on him in reliable sources including journals. There is a biographical essay too. Artists too have made works inspired by him. Will you please have a look and help to improve it? Draft:Shaj Mohan WWorringer (talk) 19:20, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure why you're asking me – I don't have any expertise on the subject. In any case, you've already submitted it for review, so a reviewer will get to it in due course. — JJMC89 02:53, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

Bugzilla merger

Thanks for catching my enormous mess up. I really feel like I deserve a {{whale}} right now. I will fix it tomorrow when I'm a little less sleep deprived. Also how did you do the mass reversions that quickly? I was thinking there would have to be a major AWB run or something to fix my mess. --Trialpears (talk) 01:13, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

I went through AnomieBOT's contributions and reverted any with {{bugzilla}} in the edit summary. Hopefully I got them all. — JJMC89 02:55, 4 October 2019 (UTC)

About Bangladesh Chhatra League Article

Hello, Dear, hope you are well. Yesterday, I have been added a original colour logo on Bangladesh Chhatra League article. Their official logo colour is now black. But, today you removed my edit from the article. Please you can see their original logo on Bangladesh Chhatra League's official website https://bsl.org.bd and then please add my uploaded logo/file. Thanks Al Riaz Uddin (talk) 06:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

 Done In the future please be more careful. — JJMC89 23:24, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Some help please

Can you please help me ‘import’ File:Research and Analysis Wing.svg to Wiki Commons? I have seen some images which are marked as ‘imported’ from Wikipedia, but not sure how to do it.— Vaibhavafro ^💬 11:08, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

No. There is no evidence that the uploader is the copyright holder, especially given the number of logos they uploaded with similar claims. As such, the file should be treated as non-free. Such files are not permitted on Commons. — JJMC89 23:11, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

Mark Ruffin

Draft:Mark Ruffin (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello. I am requesting the article for Mark Ruffin be restored. It was deleted due to abandonment (G13) and I would like to work on it. The individual has established notability– he currently is listed as program director on Wikipedia article: Real Jazz - for Sirius XM radio Satelite station. Mark Ruffin has also won two Emmy Awards and has production credits for many public radio and tv stations. Boldtypev (talk) 21:12, 5 October 2019 (UTC)

 Already done at WP:REFUND — JJMC89 21:36, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

This Draft can be deleted, the page has already been created. Thank you (Boldtypev (talk) 22:50, 6 October 2019 (UTC))

I've history merged it into the article. — JJMC89 22:54, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boldtypev (talk • contribs) 22:59, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Portal unlinking

Hi JJMC89, I noticed you were removing links to Portal:Library and information science. In the future would you allow one of us with WP:AWB access to remove the links manually? This has traditionally been the role of @BrownHairedGirl:. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 08:15, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

Why? The tool used to remove them is irrelevant. — JJMC89 19:35, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Because the links can be recycled to point to more important portals. It's not good to leave links unclickable, like here Mark Schierbecker (talk) 20:10, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, @Mark.

For the last two months or so, I have been trying to leave a note at every MFD with my proposal for what to do with the backlinks. In the case MFD:Portal:Library and information science, I noted that I saw no viable alternative, so the backlinks should be removed.

Same with MFD:Portal:1970s, where I also proposed removing the backlinks.[1].

In both cases, there was no alternative suggestion for the fate of the backlinks. So as far as I can, @JJMC89 did the right thing in both cases.

However, on closer inspection, it seems that the tool which JJMC89 is using (User:Evad37/Xunlink) is applying a logic better suited to body text than to portal links. In body text, the aim should be to leave the displayed text in place, but unlink it, and that's what the tool is doing. However, portal links are different: in nearly every case, the displayed text should also be removed.

I wasn't aware of this glitch arising, and I doubt that JJMC89 was aware of it either. So I think portal deletions is one of those quirks where the Xunlink tool is best not deployed, and the links are best removed by other means ... even when they are just being removed rather than replaced. I will add a comment about that to my backlink notes in future.

Thanks to Mark for being so eagle-eyed, and to JJMC89 for the exceptionally high quality of his many many closes. I guess we have all learnt a wee bit more today. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:39, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

In the cases you've pointed out there is no "more important portal" and removal was explicitly requested by BHG. So, the only issue is the links outside mainspace. I'll try to remember to clean those up manually. — JJMC89 22:34, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Untitled from Brunčević Bekir

Deleted this drafts: Draft:FK Ras, Draft:Serbian FSO Cup, Draft:FK Novi Pazar 1928. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunčević Bekir (talk • contribs) 22:37, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Your request is unclear. Since you've blanked those drafts, I've gone ahead and deleted them for you. — JJMC89 22:41, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunčević Bekir (talk • contribs) 23:32, 6 October 2019 (UTC)

Paid Contributions

@JJMC89 I am writing to you in response to declare my paid edits.

for the articles Carl Gould (speaker), and Pebblepost,

for the article Kevin George. I have created about a dozen articles on expressionist dancers, they were not paid edits, please don't delete them. I have editing them for over ten years!