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Names and partial dates of birth for the children can be found here. The imformation in the body was copied from de.wiki, where it is unsourced. Info in the infobox also needs citations. Some info on the children can be found in McGovern and von Lang as well. I will work on this later. -- Diannaa (talk) 16:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The Michael Miller book I have cited has information on the children; I will look at it and work on it later, when I have the time. Kierzek (talk) 17:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Kierzek (talk) 16:37, 5 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]

John Ainsworth Davis' account of Bormann's alleged survival

I reverted this section after looking into the book and cites offered. Frankly, it falls into the WP:fringe conspiracy theory section at best; usually reserved for Hitler. It does not claim to be historical fact or pure fiction from what I read of it; the WP:RS citing is very poor to say the least. I believe it should not be included here; although there are getting to be so many of these types of claims in books these days one could put together an article titled "Nazi Conspiracy theories" I guess. I await input from others herein. Kierzek (talk) 14:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

To include it gives undue weight to this fringe theory. I agree that it needs to stay out. -- Diannaa (talk) 17:01, 20 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Considering his remains were positively identified via DNA testing, yeah, I'd say keep it out. HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:59, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

all dead and still super, so why the Deutche Bank and Argentinian secret services have bak statement in the name of martin bormann occurring even in the 60’s and what about a bank account joint one with Juan peron? does it compute? or does not? well the censor will decide, nevertheless there are documents with martin bormann signatures dating from 60’s try to explain it. good luck — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.146.1.127 (talk) 21:22, 7 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Well, Anon, it's like this - your tinfoil hat is not turned to the proper signals from the spirit-world. Seriously, stick to RS's and not nonsense.

Martin Bormann religious views

Kierzek About this edit, I don't think that his religious views are redundant in his own article, this should be mentioned. Rupert Loup (talk) 19:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

None of the three sources you cite back up your addition very well. Poewe says on page 97 that Bormann may have been favourably inclined towards the ADGB, which is not the same thing as being an outspoken pagan. Paris p.57 does not discuss Bormann's religion at all. Perhaps you got the page number wrong? And Shirer calls Rosenberg (not Bormann) an outspoken pagan on page 240. None of the NSDAP top brass were particularly religious. I think is should stay out. -- Diannaa (talk) 00:21, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There is not consensus on your addition shown and the subject matter of the facts: that he was strongly anti-Christian and a leading persecutor of the churches is well cited. It should stay out. Kierzek (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Death and life after world War 2.

Martin Bormann was known to escape Germany in 1945. Take the path from Berlin through the underground tunnels throughout Berlin to airport. Landed in Tonder. Later found his way to Spain. Traveled to Argentina on a boat. They had original plans in Argentina but in 1955 or so the leader of Argentina was overtaken and the military dethroned Perone. Nazis fled to Paraguay and Chile. Martin changer his name to Juan Keller and lived the majority of his days left in Osono Chile..when Adolf Eichmann was caught he went on the run again..ended up dying in Ascension Paraguay. Buried in an unmarked grave..dug up later on and reburied in his actual grave spot in Germany. When they apparently went to check the bones the skull had red clay on it..not native to Germany. Found in south America lol OK I'm done now. Adamcram (talk) 02:36, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The above makes for good story telling on History Channel shows and sells books, but the DNA and bone analysis tell the facts. I don't blame you but the source of the information presented which is not WP:RS. Kierzek (talk) 02:41, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I seriously doubt you are "done now" - what you are relaying is nothing more than a crank conspiracy theory. 50.111.59.83 (talk) 19:33, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The body was moved back to Germany. Its documented in secret service files and corroborated on 'hunting hitler' season 2 episode 7. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.99.35.105 (talk) 20:48, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See my comment above, no reason to repeat myself. Kierzek (talk) 20:59, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"That evidence is a two-page, 1961 document recovered earlier this year among the archives of ex-dictator Gen. Alfredo Stroessner's secret police, archives popularly dubbed the "horror files." The author of the report, a Polish counterintelligence agent employed by Paraguay's Interior Ministry, wrote that Bormann died in Asuncion of stomach cancer on Feb. 15, 1959, and was secretly buried in an unmarked grave at a cemetery just south of the capital."Chicago Tribune, 1993 https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1993-05-30-9305300273-story.html But, I don't have a horse in the race so won't attempt to edit the main article, though it should be. If this is true (which I have no reason to think that it's not) then the question becomes why do people want to believe the official story, and why was the official story created in the first place? It's no secret that hundreds of Nazis escaped to South America after the war. RRskaReb talk 16:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Atheist

The source for category:German atheists is here, which is Richard Overy's book The Dictators: Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia. I am unable to get a page number because it is an ebook. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 12:37, 15 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Diannaa: According to Bookfinder it was published by Norton in 2006, so there should be meat-world copies around. Beyond My Ken (talk) 18:23, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the page but the quote is (Redacted) You can view it here

It's readily available online, so there's no need to reproduce it here. — Diannaa 🍁 (talk) 00:53, 16 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I've added sourced text saying, with reasons, that he's a theist. So far as I can see, Overy doesn't say anything about his atheism other than he was an atheist. Doug Weller talk 16:21, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The editor reverting me was a (surprise!) Apollo the Logician sock - in fact there were four in that little pool. Doug Weller talk 18:13, 24 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox image size

The current size

The default size

I believe that the aspect ratio of the infobox image in this article is such that presented at the infobox's default value it is too large, the visual equivalent of SHOUTING. I suggest that the current size is more appropriate. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:25, 17 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]