Talk:New World Order conspiracy theory

Note: Could the page be edited to include the use of the term Neuordnung in Nazi propaganda, referring to a world order due to historical significance?

To become a Featured Article

New World Order (conspiracy theory) is a good article that is being improved by supporters of WikiProject Rational Skepticism, which seeks to improve the quality of articles dealing with counterknowledge. Therefore, although remaining neutral, this article will be written from a rational skeptical perspective. Like its name suggests, this article isn't about “new world order” as a paradigm shift in international relations (if you are interested in that subject, I suggest you read and possibly edit the new world order (politics) article instead). It's about conspiracy theories about a “New World Order”. By “conspiracy theory”, we mean any “a belief which explains an event as the result of a secret plot by exceptionally powerful and cunning conspirators to achieve a malevolent end”. Conspiracy theories are viewed with skepticism because they contrast with institutional analysis of historical or current events, and are rarely supported by conclusive evidence.

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That being said, in order for the article to be chosen by the Wikipedia community to become a feature article, I am interested in collaborating with anyone who has created a user account well-written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable enough to meet featured article criteria. Creating a user account is extremely useful for an editor (such as giving him or her the ability to more easily watch over pages he or she is interested in) but it also contributes to a culture of relative accountability on Wikipedia. Lastly, as this article gets closer to becoming a featured article, it will most probably become a target for vandalism by anonymous cranks so an administrator will have to semi-protect it to prevent them from editing it, which means even good anonymous editors won't be able to edit it either. --Loremaster (talk) 01:16, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

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Internal links

I have restored the internal links to articles which deal with the various subsections of this article in more detail. No reason, valid or otherwise, has been given for removing these links. Edward321 (talk) 14:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

template {{main}} is not appropriate in this context. That template is used when the section is an exact WP:SUMMARY of the main article. These sections instead deal (or should deal) only with the topic in relation to NWO. In these cases, it is instead appropriate to simply link to the topic within the first sentence of the section. -Verdatum (talk) 16:12, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Verdatum which is the reason I have and will continue to remove these internal links. --Loremaster (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Literature

I have done some research on literature on the topic lately. Even though I have not yet read all these texts, I though I might just suggest them for review and possibly inclusion into the article. Also, I think it would be a good idea to have a list of scientific literature about this topic as well, not only primary sources by conspiracists.

• Parish, Jane (ed.): The Age of Anxiety. Conspiracy Theory and the Human Sciences, Oxford 2001.

In this book: Alasdair Spark: "Conjuring Order: the new world order and conspiracy theories of globalization", 46-62, Nigel James: "Militias, the Patriot movement, and the internet: the ideology of conspiracism."

• West, Harry G & Sanders, Todd (eds.): Transparency and Conspiracy. Ethnographies of Suspicion in the New World Order, Durham and London 2003.

In this book: West and Sanders: "Introduction", 1-37, Daniel Hellinger: "Paranoia, Conspiracy, and Hegemony in American Politics", 204-232, Susie Harding and Kathleen Stewart: "Anxieties of Influence: Conspiracy Theory and Therapeutic Culture in Millenial America", 258-286, Jean Comarof and John Comaroff: "Transparent Fictions; or, The Conspiracies of a Liberal Imagination: An Afterword", 287-300.

The may also be bits on NWO in

• Fenster, Mark: Conspiracy Theory. Secrecy and Power in American Culture, Minneapolis 2008,

as well as in

• Goldberg, Robert Alan: Enemy Within. The Culture of Conspiracy in Modern America, New Haven, London 2001.

Chapters 5 and 6 of Rupert, Mark: Ideologies of Globalization. Contending visions of a New World Order, London, New York 2000, may give hints towards the spread of conspiracism.

There also are an entries on the New World order in Landes, Richard A (ed.): Encyclopedia of Millennialism and Millenial Movements, London, New York 2000 and in Knight, Peter: Conspiracy Theories in American History. An Encyclopedia, Santa Barbara, Denver, Oxford 2003.

I thought I'd just put that up here. As soon as I get to read these in depth, I hope to be able to contribute. Maybe others take an interest in some of these texts. If they are not always suited for this article, I guess they are still relevant for adjacent ones, like conspiracism, for example. 78.55.218.66 (talk) 06:27, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you User:78.55.218.66. Those are very good sources. If you intend on contributing directly to the article at some point, I suggest you create a user account since it is extremely useful for an editor (such as giving him the ability to more easily watch over pages he is interested in) but it also contributes to a culture of accountability on Wikipedia. Despite the fact you will probably use a pseudonym, it's easier for other editors to discern your motivations when a track record of contributions is attached to your user account. Lastly, as this article gets closer to becoming a featured article, it will most probably become a target for vandalism by cranks so an administrator will have to put a semi-protection on it which will prevent them as well as good anonymous contributors such yourself from editing it. So seriously think about it. --Loremaster (talk) 15:28, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

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Isn't it

tendencious to label articles with the tag "(conspiracy theory)"

It is obvious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.230.20.240 (talk) 12:45, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Not always... When a theory explicitly states that a conspiracy exists (as this one does) it is quite appropriate to label that theory as being a “conspiracy theory”. Theorizing that a conspiracy exists is the literal definition of the term “conspiracy theory”. It is obvious. Blueboar (talk) 13:19, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Chip Berlet

I suppose it doesn't matter that Chip Berlet, who is invoked throughout this article, is a Communist of the Enver Hoxha school (that's Communist Albania, hardly a haven of free-love, free-thought, or hippie anarchism). And that's not even a "conspiracy theory." You can read all about Berlet at http://www.discoverthenetworks.com/individualProfile.asp?indid=1243.

I remain mystified at how people who advocate state regulation of everything in existence see themselves as enemies of "authoritarianism." To advocate government control of everything, even even by a benevolent government, is by definition authoritarian and even totalitarian. I suppose it's the same sloppy thought that has them condemning some "nationalisms" while supporting others (you know, Arafat, Sinn Fein, Castro, ETA, etc.). 98.66.43.239 (talk) 00:44, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Nope, doesn't really matter because an inflammatory and gossipy profile on "discoverthenetworks.com" (which is an outlet of David Horowitz Freedom Center) is not a reliable source. This all seems to be based on a decades-old association with an advocacy organization, about which no information is provided other than its association with Albania. Not every obscure connection is vitally significant, and correlation is not causation. Grayfell (talk) 02:50, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Article uses ridiculously vague and sensational language, out of context of any person's viewpoint

the paragraph:

Observers note that the galvanizing of right-wing populist conspiracy theorists such as Linda Thompson, Mark Koernke and Robert K. Spear into militancy led to the rise of the militia movement though the 1990s.[18] The movement's anti-government ideology was (and is) spread through speeches at rallies and meetings, books and videotapes sold at gun shows, shortwave and satellite radio, fax networks and computer bulletin boards.[15] However, it is overnight AM radio shows and viral propaganda on the Internet that have most effectively contributed to their extremist political ideas about the New World Order finding their way into the previously apolitical literature of numerous Kennedy assassinologists, ufologists, lost land theorists and, most recently, occultists. From the mid–1990s on, the worldwide appeal of those subcultures transmitted New World Order conspiracism like a "mind virus" to a large new audience of seekers of stigmatized knowledge.[6] Hollywood conspiracy-thriller television shows and films also played a role in introducing a vast popular audience to various fringe theories related to New World Order conspiracism—black helicopters, FEMA "concentration camps", etc.—theories which for decades previously were confined to radical right-wing subcultures. The 1993–2002 television series The X-Files, the 1997 film Conspiracy Theory and the 1998 film The X-Files: Fight the Future are often cited as notable examples.[6]

It uses superfluous language like "mind virus" with no context relating to the paper on mind virus, or any of the sources. The sentances are written weirdly. The whole thing sounds like a personal essay Multilocus (talk) 16:33, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

I agree the section is written more essay-like than neutral and encyclopedic, in terms of diction and syntax. I read some sentences that came off as kind of jarring or just weird. Just because the subject is esoteric doesn't mean the article has to be. Anyway, for starters, I've added subsections to help navigate that particular section. May go through and re-word in more neutral language fit for general readership in the near future. If anyone wants to help with that it's welcome.Thelovelyconch (talk) 03:05, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

I made some edits to clean up the history section. If anyone disagrees with how I did it we can talk about it here.Thelovelyconch (talk) 06:50, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2019

In the Cold War Era: it is not: "After the fall of COMMUNISM in the early 1990s" This is a perpetuated misconception and ignorance repeatedly made by american authors to instill fear in the readers. It was SOCIALISM. Communism is the aim, the ideal society where there is just one class of the people and total equality is attained. Communism has never been achieved and is a propaganda technique by capitalist agitators to defy the understanding of the happenings in the socialist block behind the iron curtain. It is ignorant to keep naming socialism communism and proves the uneducatedness of the journalist. Thank you. 46.114.38.80 (talk) 19:30, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

 Not done. Please establish a consensus for this change before making such an edit request. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 23:03, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Lenin page, conspiracy theory section

So I've added a conspiracy theory section to Lenin biography which keeps getting deleted. I think that's a perfectly valid section to have. What do other people who document conspiracies think? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Berehinia (talk • contribs) 03:48, 2 April 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 April 2020

It should be noted that what you refer to as a "conspiracy theory" is supported with video and audio proof. There are more world leaders speaking of a New World Order than one can imagine. To find this evidence one simply needs to google "politicians speaking about a New World Order. How can this subject be a "conspiracy theory" when such evidence exists? It's more of a conspiracy fact. 208.84.129.57 (talk) 21:08, 17 April 2020 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. JTP ^{(talk • contribs)} 23:49, 17 April 2020 (UTC)