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Colston in modern culture

There are a wave of editors who wander up to this article (and associated ones like Colston bun) and want to spell out that Colston was first and foremost a slave trader. The connection to this is true, and his reputation has been discredited somewhat because of it, particularly recently and particularly by anti-government groups such as Massive Attack. However, I don't believe we can include it so prominently as it's not a view spelled out by sources generally; Colston did a lot of good for Bristol and was considered a philanthropist around the city, and without trying to excuse his connections to slave trade, he was simply doing what was considered morally acceptable in 17th/18th century Britain. @Rodw:, I don't suppose you've got any views on this? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 16:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Although I am aware of current debates, specifically the renaming of Colston Hall, I don't have strong views. His history should obviously be included and "slave trader" is rightly included in the first sentence. The best place for for discussion and reappraisal may be Bristol slave trade, which could be linked from this article. All interpretation (? Synthesis) of history needs to take into account the cultural and economic realities of the time and WP:NPOV requires a balanced approach in articles.— Rod talk 17:53, 3 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
As of 2018-10-10 Colston was a Slave trader and a slave trader, as well as someone who acquired much of his wealth through the trade and exploitation of slaves - according to the first paragraph!
It is not revisionist to emphasise this fact. He was a slave trader, and slave traders knew very well that what they were doing was wrong; that's why they invented racism and built so many churches. We're not just judging them by today's standards when we say this; moral people in his time fought for and eventually won a ban on this vile trade. But we really ought to be able to find better wording for this paragraph that gives due emphasis to the source of Colston's wealth, and perhaps the guilt that drove his 'philanthropy' (a word which I put in quotes for etymological reasons; the people Colston loved needed to be as pale as he).RedSquirrel (talk) 16:36, 10 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Separate article?

Given today's events - and the relatively large section in the existing article - I would favour a separate article on Statue of Edward Colston. I suspect this will be in the news for some time, and indeed be of some lasting significance Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:53, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Not staunchly opposed to this, but imho a little premature. This event is one about which it's unclear whether there'll be *that* much written about it beyond the next few news cycles. It's not unusual for similar statues to be torn down, and while I imagine it's possible that the debate around an individual statue could be so voluminous and far-reaching as to merit its own article, I don't think this is self-evidently the case here. Ford MF (talk) 15:25, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Worth noting that the statue was a Grade II listed building (see wikidata:Q26497793) and had previously had a petition and other articles about it before it was removed today. Doublah (talk) 15:37, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Fordmadoxfraud - I would say it's very unusual for such a statue to be torn down in the UK. In terms of its WP notability, it is a Grade II listed structure and so would be expected to have a separate article; it is clear from the article that the statue has in recent years been the source of much controversy prior to today's events; and it is as certain as anything can be that today's events will have lasting implications. Ghmyrtle (talk) 15:46, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have created the page Statue of Edward Colston Doublah (talk) 16:00, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020

I want to change some information back to correct 95.147.193.73 (talk) 15:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.Mkwia (talk) 15:38, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 7 June 2020

Removal of wire philanthropist from bio of a man who was a slave trader. 148.252.128.81 (talk) 16:14, 7 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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