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Genre

I ripped off Hitman's infobox for this game, but I'm not sure the genre can really be called stealth. Does this fit anywhere as we know it? Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 21:04, 28 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Website

The game has an official website: http://yanderesimulator.com

Will it be necesary to edit this into the sidebar, along with the only overview information? I would do it myself, but not sure if necessary/appropriate, or even how to do it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.108.101.175 (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Is it necessary for introducing rivals in detail?

WP:VGSCOPE--逆襲的天邪鬼 (talk) 17:11, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Probably not. I'd support trimming/removal of content. Me, Myself & I (☮) (talk) 17:49, 30 October 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think it should be necessary, as, in the general section, it just says "ten different rivals in order to ensure that her crush, Senpai, will not fall for the other girls" but it has no indication as to who these 'rivals' are. This could allude to any random student in Akademi High. --Eltusc1 (talk) 16:53, 26 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Fake Death

What is the proof that this is a planned feature? 79.129.253.63 (talk) 14:36, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having followed this game for a while, I don't think it is. I think whoever wrote that was thinking of the ability to push students off the roof and leave their shoes at the top to make it look like they committed suicide. I've edited it accordingly. Raymond1922 (talk) 01:49, 19 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Ref tag

there is a ref tag on the top of the article, is that meant to be there, or is it added there by accident? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:11, 7 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yandev's criticism

I've been reading around, and most of his assets used in the game are actually stolen. He did mention they were placeholders, but it's been years now. His main artist, Mulberry, is also a plagiarist and most of her drawings are heavily referenced. I think people have a right to know... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hamingjusamur (talk • contribs) 13:15, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTFORUM Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 14:48, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No, the majority of the game's assets are *not* stolen, and no, Mulberry is *not* a plagiarist.B.A.B.E. (talk) 07:04, 20 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, you replying to this developer of Yandere Simulator who is also known as EvaXephon and now also as B.A.B.E. only confirmed that you indeed steal assets and she is indeed a plagiarist. are ya coding son 94.44.124.179 (talk) 01:18, 15 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you guys even compare the so called stolen assets ? Look at the Room YandereChan has, compare it in Maya with the MMD Stage, it isn't even alike, same applies for the Streets and Gym; assets that are said to be stolen, but they're not, ask the volunteers themselves who made it also: QVA & SweetPotatoes & Riot Environment Artist (Unknown)

Context?

At the end of the Development section, it states this.

On March 1, 2017, YandereDev announced a partnership with tinyBuild that would help him with polishing and promoting the game. Through mutual agreement, the partnership was broken up again in December that year. Later, drama exposés came up around March 2018.

Ignoring how poorly written this whole paragraph is, there's no context given as to what that last sentence is referring to or what these "drama exposés" are. Would anybody be able to expand or even rewrite this? 109.78.54.211 (talk) 13:22, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

And there it goes. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 17:40, 18 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Name Censorship

I've noticed multiple wikiters have been reverting whenever Yandev's actual name is revealed with sources.

I ask for this to be stopped. Because we all know his real name, and we all know his voice. At this point, REVERTING his name is stupid. --Sereniama (talk) 19:59, 14 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just because you say that, doesn't mean a reliable source says its his name. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 01:45, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

YandereDev has stated in an interview that his first name is Alex and he's verified it on twitter: https://twitter.com/YandereDev/status/657312179629248514 so at least could that be included? --SymphonianLegend (talk) 05:44, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The development section does already cover the first name:

Yandere Simulator is developed by YandereDev, a 31–32-year-old freelance game developer identified as Alex and based in Temecula, California.

(emphasis added)
All info in that sentence is extracted from the two adjacent reliable sources and therefore perfectly fine to keep here. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 08:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, I didn't catch that, thank you. --SymphonianLegend (talk) 12:16, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Rivals

Shouldn’t the rivals be in this Wikipedia page? SlugQween (talk) 17:52, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Upcoming is debatable

The statement that says that Yandere Simulator is a upcoming game is debatable, considering no proper updates have been made in years, essentially stagnating the game's development. It is more accurate to say that the game is in 'early-access' or that it will be released in the future, but the word upcoming that the game will be released soon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 10:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't been following developments on this closely, but the latest update blog post seems to have been authored on July 1. This suggests that the game is still in development as of two weeks ago. Whether or not the updates provided are "proper" is not ours to judge. As long as the game is not said to be cancelled, we should not assume that it is. Regards, IceWelder [✉] 11:03, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
That is my argument, that the word 'Upcoming' is inaccurate in this context. Just because it is being developed, doesn't mean it's upcoming. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 19:42, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
"Upcoming" generally means that it is in development with the intent to release. How long this will still be is not mentioned. Omitting "upcoming" would just require us to alter the wording to something "... in development by ...", the same meaning but with more words. IceWelder [✉] 19:52, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Time Pyramid is a piece of art that is being constructed with the intention of finishing it. Would that be an upcoming finished piece of art, despite it will take literally 1173 years to finish? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 20:26, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, before I forget, the actual wording is this: 'Yandere Simulator is an upcoming stealth action video game in development by YandereDev', so, not a difficult correction to make. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.181.234.92 (talk) 20:35, 14 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]


add a controversy section

its worth talking about how controversial alex mahan is as a developer and a person

(link removed for potential BLP concerns, can still be found in the history)

2001:8003:2D46:E500:495B:1BA9:6097:FCD6 (talk) 04:40, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, would be nice to have something about the project management, the rejection of constructive criticism (uh... else if? heavy assets?), and the watashi no mono threat stuff. But it does feel unfair for some gaming mag to shit on a "unfinished" indie game, especially in the middle of a pissstorm with someone threatening suicide, so no good sources for that… yet.


If he did publish the game, it could be handled like any other bad stuff being sold like Kingdom Come. Now it's just a free-for-all. --Artoria2e5 🌉 10:12, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Artoria2e5 and IP, I wrote the "Criticism" section that is currently in the article, however, per WP:BLP and WP:NPOV we can't just shit on YandereDev, especially when no big publication is following it. TRO, Kappa Kaiju and others have made great video essays on this subject, but it's unlikely they'll pass WP:RS, so what's currently there is the most neutral and covered things I could add at this point in time. Ed6767 talk! 15:54, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the doc, it could be a WP:BLP violation. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 16:57, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Zero Serenity, not really. Is a link to external resources and is opinion, and if it is a BLP issue we probably need oversight to get rid of it. Ed6767 talk! 18:33, 18 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Bruh, can we just remove that link and suppress it?! Linking to an expose document about a living person not backed up with reliable sources (and especially accusing someone of being really unsavory) opens up a good can of WP:BLP-related worms. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 02:45, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
PrincessPandaWiki, follow the protocol at WP:OS Ed6767 talk! 10:07, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It was decided that the link isn't too "gross" to be rev-deleted. Removing the link and letting it stay in the history would be a good course for now. ❤︎PrincessPandaWiki (talk | contribs) 13:55, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

the spinoff's name

the spinoff of this game just changed its name recently to "Love Letter", but i am unable to add these changes. Malkallam333 (talk) 00:42, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Malkallam333, I would update but all the sources call it "lovesick" so I'll leave it until it gets a bit more notable Ed6767 talk! 01:46, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Understandable, have a pleasant day Malkallam333 (talk) 10:52, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yandere Developer's censorship?

I think it is only right to close this now due to consensus being reached and high off-wiki coverage which could result in this thread turning into a WP:NOTFORUM and WP:BLP hell: B.A.B.E. (talk · contribs) has disclosed his COI and has been informed of the correct WP:BLP procedures which he was unaware of. We reached a consensus that the removed content should remain removed due to the lack of reliable sources, along with the argument that the content simply isn't relevant to the game itself, which is what this article is about. If anyone else suspects a conflict of interest from another user, this should be taken to the conflict of interest noticeboard. Ed6767 talk! 18:23, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


User B.A.B.E. is an alternate account that belongs to EvaXephon/YandereDev (he's used Evaxephon handle in Twitch streams) and I think he's trying to censor his suicide threat towards Love Letter's developer. It was noticed by people outside of Yandere Simulator's community and the influx of people led YandereDev into reinforcing security in his Discord and Reddit as well as possibly losing support in development, so I feel like it's notorious enough to be included. On that note, the developer is also heavily criticized for his censorship, should it be included as well? --SymphonianLegend (talk) 07:48, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SymphonianLegend, yes, this is true as far as I can tell, especially looking at the history of his user page. I will take this to WP:COIN. Ed6767 talk! 13:39, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I do think the section that was deleted is completely irrelevant/not sourced with RS. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 17:17, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Zero Serenity, as with any indie game article, the same could be said about the rest of the article tbh. Ed6767 talk! 18:14, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Touhou Project, Undertale, Papers Please, I could go on. None of this gossip nonsense appears in those articles. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:01, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe because their developers aren't anywhere near as controversial as the developer of this game, not to mention how they are actually released, far more popular, have larger fanbases and therefore more reliable sources to back claims? You might want to give WP:CRIT a read. It isn't really nonsensical if it's been covered in many reliable sources (see WP:VG/S). The coverage of this controversy is probably the most mainstream coverage this game has had in years and was even notable enough to prompt a response from the developer of the game and multiple media outlets, unlike similar controversies that have remained gossip, therefore I'd argue that it is very much notable enough to remain in the article. Ed6767 talk! 19:28, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Based on what you said, that entire line should go since none of the sources are in the VG/S list. Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 19:34, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The Yandere Developer does tie drama and controversy very closely with the game's development seeing as he frequently cites it as a major reason why the game keeps being delayed. Not to mention he relies on volunteers to accomplish some tasks within game development and particularly the suicide threat made volunteers shift support towards Love Letter's Dev at least according to Yandere Dev in a screenshot-SymphonianLegend (talk) 20:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It's not Wikipedia's job to chronicle his drama, unless reliable secondary sources are taking note. The sources in use are weak at best, outright unreliable at worse, and certainly don't show any widespread coverage. -- ferret (talk) 21:03, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I've looked into it and I agree with the lack of RS although I still think the suicide threat was remarkable enough to be noted. I was really hesitant because the Developer's intention was most likely wanting to cover it up, but seeing as experienced editors agree that it doesn't belong here and that there's not enough quality coverage of it then I'll be dropping the subject as well. -- SymphonianLegend (talk) 03:10, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Zero Serenity, you should know that the list on WP:VG/S is non-exhaustive. The first section of VG/S tells you this. I've reverted your removal until we can reach consensus and would prefer to get a WP:3O - the core purpose of this is to prevent an edit war between people who agree this should be here and people who believe it shouldn't be here, A WP:3O or a WP:RfC would establish consensus to either option and prevent a dispute and provide a definite non-biased resolution. Again, I still argue that it should stay as while it has relevance to the development of the game, but we should get another editors outside opinion here. Ed6767 talk! 21:05, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(actually restored the RM due to expressed concerns, if somebody wishes to add it back please reach consensus in this thread first) Ed6767 talk! 21:08, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I bounced this off a couple of other people before coming to this conclusion. It just felt too weak to be worth inclusion, and I'm reminded of the "The article should be about the game itself, less the people surrounding it." Zero Serenity (talk - contributions) 21:27, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Zero Serenity, that's fair then. I'll leave this now, but if anyone else wants to continue this discussion they can do so. Ed6767 talk! 21:43, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to further put forth the argument that these are close to, if not definitely, BLP claims that need strong reliable sourcing above question. These clickbait sites don't suffice. -- ferret (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The user who removed this was YandereDev himself, making this a conflict of interest edit. Plenty of websites have reported on the current controversy. If you think the current sources are unreliable, I'm sure there are plenty of others that can be used, instead. Lastly, if you think this doesn't belong in the development/criticism section, we can add a controversy section, like many other articles have done before. Rickraptor707 (talk) 01:50, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That YandereDev removed it first is irrelevant, experienced editors unrelated to him have removed it since. The burden to provide reliable sources lies with those who want to include the content, especially in regards to controversial WP:BLP edits. Beyond the BLP sourcing issues, article isn't about YandereDev, but about Yandere Simulator. -- ferret (talk) 01:56, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rickraptor707, yes, he removed it first, then we readded it, then we removed it again - but that along with the, now that I've looked into them more, admittedly weak sources I used when originally writing that section and the points made above, I've changed my mind and tbh think it should remain removed for now. We have to abide by WP:BLP and WP:V. I had to look far and wide to back up those claims with sources. The core issue is that quite frankly there is not enough reliable coverage of this situation, however, I do not doubt that given the current situation, these will soon become more common and far less sparse than they are now. See ferrets points above. Ed6767 talk! 02:02, 29 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 30 July 2020

The drama about Yandere-Dev with suicide should be reported on and not removed, it did happen even if the claims are not clear it should be recorded he did threaten life. 47.17.148.94 (talk) 00:54, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done for now: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit extended-protected}} template. (see above) Ed6767 talk! 01:46, 30 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 24 September 2020

185.95.207.52 (talk) 20:45, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 20:59, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2020

Change "Yandere Simulator is an upcoming stealth action video game in development by Californian game developer YandereDev" to "Yandere Simulator is a PC game in its demo stage by Californian game developer YandereDev"

Change the two pictures of Yandere Chan with high/low sanity to be in line with what the game looks like now (i.e. sanity meter has changed, windows are now transparent, etc.) 104.186.179.65 (talk) 15:40, 15 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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