Talk:Mandela Barnes

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Property tax issues

As much of a supporter of Barnes I am, I do believe it is worth noting in this article that he was delinquent on property taxes for a while. He did tweet that the "check is in the mail" on June 17th, 2019, but he was delinquent on the taxes since he did not pay it by January 31st of the aforementioned year. The issue people have had with it is not only that is he a government official, but he appeared to shrug it off in the same tweet. Anyways, I do not know where this would be most appropriate. Hopefully a far better tenured Wikipedia editor will make this change. Autumnsec (talk) 19:48, 21 July 2019 (UTC)

I removed the addition of 3 things to the article, the tax return issue, badgercare (is that insurance), plus unpaid parking tickets. I think it's undue weight for a BLP to go into depth on this. It seems relatively minor. I can see the need to discuss this in some limited scope, but not at length with a separate section, given its limited weight in the sources. Andrevan@ 22:47, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

I also agree these are undue weight. Glinden (talk) 17:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

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College degree discrepancy was removed

Where did this data go? Was here a couple days ago until he won the primary election on 8/9/22. This man outright lied about graduating from college for years until he was questioned in 2019. Then suddenly he finished his degree and acted like it was not a big deal. I would lose my job if it was discovered that I lied about having a degree not to mention losing my CPA license. Lying about verifiable facts is a prevalent issue with this man. 184.58.152.78 (talk) 00:41, 13 August 2022 (UTC)

Prejudicial and not neutral, obviously should not be included in a summary of education at the beginning of the article. Glinden (talk) 16:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

I agree, it's too much weight for a minor thing. Maybe it merits a sentence but not a huge portion. Andre🚐 17:01, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

Someone else put it back. I think we may have to flag the page? In any case, if someone else thinks this is undue weight, please fix it, as I don't want to be solely reverting the change. Glinden (talk) 17:28, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

The latest edit put it back because Herschel Walker supposedly is similar, but that is debatable at best. The discussion of Hershel Walker's lying about his college degree and college work is much lower on the page and not prominently featured. This is undue weight and someone should fix it. Glinden (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

It's only high on the page because the page is in chronological order, and "early life and education" comes early in chronology, oddly enough. (For what it's worth, I'm the guy that restored the item, and I'm a Wisconsinite and a fanatically firm supporter of Barnes in this election.) Orange Mike | Talk 00:00, 16 August 2022 (UTC)--23:59, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

So, assuming you are following it pretty closely then. Do you have any more insight as to why the story is important or what the deal is? What was the technical issue with his transcript that preventing him from getting a degree? I mean it's an understandable thing and seems like such a non-big-deal, but the way it's written right now feels like a prominent portion of the article. I think, maybe it is just unclear what exactly happened or why. He didn't receive a college degree on time due to a technical issue and he got it later. But, the way it's written, which is why I think it reflexively sounds like to people less supportive of him, he either wasn't forthcoming about the truth of how much college he completed, or worse. Andre🚐 00:05, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

Read the original anonymous post at the top of this thread. This is the right-wing's spin on it: that Barnes is a big ol' liar who (GASP!) fudged his resume, and that it's important about him, unlike the way they downplayed the very shady and possibly criminal circumstances of Scott Walker's expulsion-that-wasn't-an-expulsion-or-was-it from Marquette University. --Orange Mike | Talk 01:32, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

But Barnes got the degree - did he have to go back to school and do a few more classes or he just got it? Andre🚐 01:37, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

So, wait, Orange Mike, why are you restoring it to the non-neutral version? I don't understand. You are saying this text is very much not neutral (which means it should be removed), but then you say you restored the non-neutral version? Glinden (talk) 01:41, 16 August 2022 (UTC)

@Orangemike, I can see the argument for including the story to make it NPOV, which would also have the effect of "setting the record straight on it" but I do agree with our red-linked friend that as written, it feels like there are enough unclear details about it that it's borderline besmirching Barnes' credibility to even include such a thinly-sourced story or event - fairly or unfairly, I do not know, but that was my instinct and why I removed it earlier. I am also supporting Barnes spiritually though I can't vote for him. If he has his degree and he didn't have it on a technicality, I think including the accusation seems unnecessary, unless there is more to it. Andre🚐 22:38, 16 August 2022 (UTC)