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Q1: Why does this article describe the boogaloo movement as "far right"?

A1: A June–July 2020 RfC (permalink) determined that the overwhelming majority of reliable sources describe the movement as far-right. Even though some sources may use other descriptors for the movement, or individuals and groups may self-describe differently, this article reflects the commonly-used descriptors for the movement, which include "far-right". Please note that now that the inclusion of this descriptor has been confirmed by formal consensus, new consensus will need to be achieved (likely by RfC) to change it.

Q2: Why does this article describe the boogaloo movement as "white supremacist"?

A1: This article does not state that all boogaloo groups or the movement as a whole is white supremacist, but rather that some of the groups are—a claim that is well-supported by the sourcing. The article also says that some other groups condemn racism and white supremacy, and have aligned themselves with anti-racist movements like Black Lives Matter.

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Unreasonable far-right label

Is far-right really a fair description of the Boogaloo movement? The linked entry states that this ideology is "further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right, particularly in terms of anti-communist, authoritarian, ultranationalist, and nativist ideologies and tendencies" featuring "aspects of ultranationalist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary views" leading to "oppression, political violence, forced assimilation, ethnic cleansing, and genocide against groups of people based on their supposed inferiority, or their perceived threat to the native ethnic group, nation, state, national religion, dominant culture, or ultraconservative traditional social institutions." Terjen (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

While the movement is frequently labeled "far-right", they're generally not far-right as described in the linked Wikipedia entry. We can resolve this discrepancy by recognizing the label with a quoted mention, avoiding using the term as if the Wikipedia definition is an objective description of the movement. Terjen (talk) 22:19, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Your personal disagreement with this recent Request for Comment is irrelevant. There is conclusive and overwhelming consensus to label this as a far-right movement. You are welcome to start a new discussion in the hopes of changing that consensus, but you not free to unilaterally reject this consensus. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2021 (UTC

I don't disagree with the finding from the RfC that many reliable sources use the far-right label. Usually, this would substantiate using the term in wikivoice. However, the sources seem to use the term differently than we define far-right here on Wikipedia, making our lead construct a meaning not supported by the sources.Terjen (talk) 20:05, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The shoe doesn't fit: It is objectively false to claim the Boogaloo movement is further on the right than the standard political right in terms of being anti-communist, authoritarian, ultranationalist, nativist, chauvinist, xenophobic, theocratic, racist, homophobic, transphobic, or reactionary, as in the WP definition of far-right. Terjen (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

That the "standard political right" is, in your view, far-right doesn't mean the Boogaloo are not also far-right. "Far right" is not defined relative to the contemporary (not the same as "standard") right's positions. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not my view or opinion: The relative definition of far-right as being "further on the right of the left–right political spectrum than the standard political right" is from the lead of our own entry on the term. Terjen (talk) 17:56, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, the Boogaloo movement is not aligned with the "standard political right." Case in point, they largely opposed Donald Trump. Terjen (talk) 22:25, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Moreover, there isn't a consensus to use the label among reliable sources, with substantial experts on extremists explicitly avoiding categorizing them as far-right. We should stop using this misleading label in wikivoice. Terjen (talk) 02:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have one choice available to you if you want to change the existing wording: Open a new RFC and get a new consensus. Otherwise, you need to WP:DROPTHESTICK. It is disruptive to apply a "disputed" template to a tern which has clear and unambiguous community consensus. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 05:21, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The consensus from the RfC established that many reliable sources use the far-right label, which is not searched overturned. What is disputed is our use of the label "far-right" in wikivoice, creating a false synthesis. Do you have any objections beyond an insistence on using the questionable label? Terjen (talk) 22:08, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

It's not questionable, the RfC is unequivocal - Firm consensus to describe Boogaloo movememnt as far-right as per overwhelming majority of reliable sources - and you need to WP:DROPTHESTICK or risk being topic-banned for tendentious editing. NorthBySouthBaranof (talk) 22:27, 20 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Disclaimer

Boogaloo movement has nothing to do with Bogaloo Boogaloo is a freestyle, improvisational street dance movement of soulful steps and robotic movements which make up the foundations of popping dance and turfing; boogaloo can incorporate illusions, restriction of muscles, stops, robot and/or wiggling.[1] The style also incorporates foundational popping techniques, which were initially referred to as "Posing Hard".[2][3] It is related to the later electric boogaloo dance.[4] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Iflester (talk • contribs) 14:14, 28 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is 1RR still necessary?

I happened to be going through the arbitration enforcement log looking at my entries and I saw that I had placed this article under WP:1RR indefinitely. Since indefinite doesn't necessarily mean permanently, I thought I would check-in with the editors here to see if this restriction is still helpful or whether it could be relaxed (or repealed). Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 19:34, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Any thoughts? If there are no thoughts I am inclined to drop the DS. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 15:20, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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