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''She was kept bricked in a set of rooms, with only small slits left open for ventilation and the passing of food.''<br /> |
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There are citations missing about this. In fact, it has never been proven that she was walled up inside her castle, according to Tony Thorne in [https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/ex9awa/inside-the-ruined-castle-of-medieval-serial-killer-elizabeth-bathory this VICE interview]. Taking a look at the bricked entrance it seems almost impossible to reach food through it. So where's the evidence? With the current state of information and the lack of citations, this page reminds me more of a horror comic than a collection of neutral facts. --[[User:Buckiboy|Buckiboy]] ([[User talk:Buckiboy|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2017 (UTC) |
There are citations missing about this. In fact, it has never been proven that she was walled up inside her castle, according to Tony Thorne in [https://www.vice.com/en_nz/article/ex9awa/inside-the-ruined-castle-of-medieval-serial-killer-elizabeth-bathory this VICE interview]. Taking a look at the bricked entrance it seems almost impossible to reach food through it. So where's the evidence? With the current state of information and the lack of citations, this page reminds me more of a horror comic than a collection of neutral facts. --[[User:Buckiboy|Buckiboy]] ([[User talk:Buckiboy|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2017 (UTC) |
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== A rewrite has been proposed, only not where it should have been == |
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So the lead unambiguously calls her a serial killer, cites extensive evidence for her crimes, and then a couple of sentences at the end insists that everything in the article is actually wrong and advises readers to completely ignore it and go read the Hungarian-language one—which most English WP readers will not be able to understand—instead. |
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{{Quote|Recent research indicates that all this sensational information about the "Lady of Blood" is fake, and that the accusations were made due to differing political interests of the crown as well as for the aim of confiscating her huge estate. The legend was created by a Jesuit monk (about a noble woman who was a convert to protestantism) centuries after her death, which was revised and coloured further in other literary pieces. For a more realistic assessment of her life and career, see the Wikipedia entry in her own language, Hungarian.}} |
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What the anonymous editor (109.47.3.194) has done is in fact proposed a major rewrite, which should have been started ''here'', not with a few lines in the article that could easily have been overlooked entirely, particularly since no edit summary was attached to any of the four revisions. [[Special:Contributions/108.34.201.56|108.34.201.56]] ([[User talk:108.34.201.56|talk]]) 07:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC) |
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Prison and Death
She was kept bricked in a set of rooms, with only small slits left open for ventilation and the passing of food.
There are citations missing about this. In fact, it has never been proven that she was walled up inside her castle, according to Tony Thorne in this VICE interview. Taking a look at the bricked entrance it seems almost impossible to reach food through it. So where's the evidence? With the current state of information and the lack of citations, this page reminds me more of a horror comic than a collection of neutral facts. --Buckiboy (talk) 14:35, 24 September 2017 (UTC)
A rewrite has been proposed, only not where it should have been
So the lead unambiguously calls her a serial killer, cites extensive evidence for her crimes, and then a couple of sentences at the end insists that everything in the article is actually wrong and advises readers to completely ignore it and go read the Hungarian-language one—which most English WP readers will not be able to understand—instead.
Recent research indicates that all this sensational information about the "Lady of Blood" is fake, and that the accusations were made due to differing political interests of the crown as well as for the aim of confiscating her huge estate. The legend was created by a Jesuit monk (about a noble woman who was a convert to protestantism) centuries after her death, which was revised and coloured further in other literary pieces. For a more realistic assessment of her life and career, see the Wikipedia entry in her own language, Hungarian.
What the anonymous editor (109.47.3.194) has done is in fact proposed a major rewrite, which should have been started here, not with a few lines in the article that could easily have been overlooked entirely, particularly since no edit summary was attached to any of the four revisions. 108.34.201.56 (talk) 07:12, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
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