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* '''Oppose''' This has been 6 requested move discussions before and the community consensus appears to retain the term Islamic.Further the term Islamic terrorism clearly is more common term and more widely used including in [https://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Islamic+terrorism&btnG= in scholarly and academically ]] rather than [https://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Islamist+terrorism&btnG= Islamist terrorism] and clearly per [[WP:COMMONNAME]].Further the Militant groups including the Islamic state themselves call themselves Islamic and have justified the violence based on religion or in other cases Christian ,Sikh ,Hindu if they call themselves by religion feel we cannot put political correctness over this .BBC refused to call the Islamic state as Daesh despite a request from British MP and even the Prime Minister .[https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/02/bbc-rejects-mps-calls-to-refer-to-islamic-state-as-daesh head of the BBC rejected the demands, saying that using Daesh would not preserve the BBC’s impartiality as it risked giving an impression of support for the group’s opponents] .We need to call what groups call themselves and this clearly sourced in [[WP:RS]].It would be censorship in wikipedia if we do not use the most common term and term the groups engaging in violence call themselves as BBC rightly did. [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 15:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC) |
* '''Oppose''' This has been 6 requested move discussions before and the community consensus appears to retain the term Islamic.Further the term Islamic terrorism clearly is more common term and more widely used including in [https://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Islamic+terrorism&btnG= in scholarly and academically ]] rather than [https://scholar.google.co.in/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Islamist+terrorism&btnG= Islamist terrorism] and clearly per [[WP:COMMONNAME]].Further the Militant groups including the Islamic state themselves call themselves Islamic and have justified the violence based on religion or in other cases Christian ,Sikh ,Hindu if they call themselves by religion feel we cannot put political correctness over this .BBC refused to call the Islamic state as Daesh despite a request from British MP and even the Prime Minister .[https://www.theguardian.com/media/2015/jul/02/bbc-rejects-mps-calls-to-refer-to-islamic-state-as-daesh head of the BBC rejected the demands, saying that using Daesh would not preserve the BBC’s impartiality as it risked giving an impression of support for the group’s opponents] .We need to call what groups call themselves and this clearly sourced in [[WP:RS]].It would be censorship in wikipedia if we do not use the most common term and term the groups engaging in violence call themselves as BBC rightly did. [[User:Pharaoh of the Wizards|Pharaoh of the Wizards]] ([[User talk:Pharaoh of the Wizards|talk]]) 15:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:Common name]]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 00:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC) |
*'''Oppose''' per [[WP:Common name]]. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 00:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose''' - the [[WP:COMMONNAME|common name]] is Islamic terrorism. - [[User:DoubleCross|DoubleCross]] ([[User talk:DoubleCross|talk]]) 20:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC) |
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"Islamist terrorism"
It seems like this form is used in this article as well. Should it be replaced with "Islamic terrorism"? Llightex (talk) 15:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
- Both phrases are prominent in RSs. In fact, "Islamist terrorism" seems to be more prominent than "radical Islamic terrorism". A Google Books phrase search yields 25,900 results for the former and 4,330 results for latter. I'll add it to the definition. The most NPOV-compliant approach would be to use the form that's used in the source cited for that specific portion of the text. Eperoton (talk) 23:46, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
- Some stats:
- Ngrams indicate "Islamic Terrorism" as the most used term.
- Similar results are found in searches of the last six months of news:
- a search of "Islamic terrorism" got "About 12,800 results" while
- a search of "Islamist terrorism" got "About 6,320 results".
- I think that a logical assumption is that many articles that use the wording, "Islamist terrorism" will also use "Islamic terrorism" yet it is also clear that many other articles solely use "Islamic terrorism".
- A similarly formatted search on "radical Islamic terrorism" got "About 6,450 results".
- GregKaye 06:27, 1 August 2017 (UTC)
- There are other similar discussions on this matter, such as this one and this one. --Mhhossein talk 12:15, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Various important statistics and articles
Here are various relevant sources of information that I have found. I would appreciate help with incorporating it into the article.
42% of young Muslims in France, and 35% of young Muslims in Britain support suicide bombings:
http://www.pewresearch.org/files/old-assets/pdf/muslim-americans.pdf#page=60
Further information about the subject. Among other things, 59% of all Palestinian Muslims support suicide bombings:
33% of Muslims students in France are sympathetic towards terrorism:
There are 23000 Jihadists in Britain:
Only 34% of British Muslims would contact the police if somebody they knew had been involved with terrorism:
http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/icm-muslims-survey-for-channel-4/
17000 French Muslims are known to be potential terrorists:
18884 Belgian Muslims are known to have connections to terrorism:
The Jihadists are winning the propaganda warfare with western countries, which drastically increases radicalisation, and turns it harder to stop:
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-39448987
The Islamic State has 30000 Internet pages that spread its propaganda:
A study about jihadism and islamic radicalisation in the western countries:
https://icct.nl/publication/fear-thy-neighbor-radicalization-and-jihadist-attacks-in-the-west/
21% of Syrians support ISIS:
https://www.statista.com/chart/4227/support-for-isis-in-muslim-countries/
Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:
Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are directly inciting Islamist extremism in Europe via their thousands of Wahhabist/Salafist mosques:
The Saudi-financed Salafist/Wahhabist mosques in Germany are even too extremist for Syrians:
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-migrants-germany-mosques-insig-idUSKCN12S0HE
Saudi Arabia and Qatar directly finance and give logistics aid to the Islamic State terrorist organisation:
Several statistics regarding what Europeans think about Islam, terrorism, and national security:
https://global.handelsblatt.com/politics/looking-to-germany-to-protect-the-world-order-779939/
How the Islamic State indoctrinates children:
240 textbooks in United Nations sponsored schools in Palestine teach the Muslim children to murder Jews:
The ongoing genocide on Christians in the Middle-East will likely have exterminated all of them within 10 years:
http://www.acnuk.org/persecuted
The Muslim Brotherhood spends a great amount of money on lobbying, to avoid the terrorist designation:
http://mobile.wnd.com/2017/03/muslim-brotherhood-spending-millions-to-fight-terror-designation/ David A (talk) 15:35, 18 July 2017 (UTC)
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I might soon get topic banned, so I would appreciate if somebody could please add the following references to the page, if they are deemed appropriate. Thank you.
33% of Muslims students in France are sympathetic towards terrorism:
There are 23000 Jihadists in Britain:
Only 34% of British Muslims would contact the police if somebody they knew had been involved with terrorism:
http://www.icmunlimited.com/polls/icm-muslims-survey-for-channel-4/
17000 French Muslims are known to be potential terrorists:
18884 Belgian Muslims are known to have connections to terrorism:
The Islamic State has 30000 Internet pages that spread its propaganda:
21% of Syrians support ISIS:
https://www.statista.com/chart/4227/support-for-isis-in-muslim-countries/
Europol reports that the Islamic State is radicalising Muslim immigrants into jihadists:
Saudi Arabia and the Gulf States are directly inciting Islamist extremism in Europe via their thousands of Wahhabist/Salafist mosques:
Bill Gates says that bioterrorism is one of the greatest existential threats to humanity, alongside nuclear war and global warming:
http://money.cnn.com/2017/02/18/technology/bill-gates-bio-terrorism/index.html
Over two thirds of all Islamic terrorists in Europe have been radicalised by fundamentalist hate-preacher imams:
The regime in Palestine uses half of all foreign aid money to finance terrorism:
The Swedish Security Service (SÄPO) receives an average of 200 reports of planned terrorism every day:
https://www.svd.se/terrorplaner-och-hot--sapo-offentliggor-inkomna-tips
The German police department have at least 900 cases of terrorism under investigation so far in 2017:
http://www.dw.com/en/germany-terrorism-prosecution-cases-soar-report/a-41065442
David A (talk) 09:00, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
No action Not a legitimate COI edit request. Spintendo ᔦᔭ 21:16, 8 December 2017 (UTC)
weight on scholarship by Olivier Roy
In the section Religious motivation, the information by Olivier is presented at length. There are other scholars, like Gilles Kepel we could also present. Does anyone have any suitable & publicly available sources by him? Googling in French is not my forte. AadaamS (talk) 10:08, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
islam terrorism
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Islam never support terrorism. Who doing the terror attack they didn't know what the quran says. If any one didn't trust what I'm saying just study the quran & learn what it says. Ashick78 (talk) 05:13, 14 February 2018 (UTC)
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This article does not comply with WP:RNPOV , maybe because it is only edited by non-muslims AyaanLamar (talk) 11:49, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- If you have specific suggestions, it would be best to note that here. Putting a tag on the page and then accusing non-Islamic editors of inherent bias is probably going to earn yuou some sort of restriction or block in the long run. ValarianB (talk) 13:02, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Better yet, please provide specific suggestions supported by WP:RS sources. AadaamS (talk) 18:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Actually the religion of the editors is immaterial to the content of the article, that would be a sort of identity politics to suggest that "a certain category of editors" is required to make a good article, this is not true. What is required are WP:RS that are presented in a neutral manner. If the condition for "NPOV met" in this case is the religion of the authors, that makes the POV tag inavlid. AadaamS (talk) 18:51, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
- Better yet, please provide specific suggestions supported by WP:RS sources. AadaamS (talk) 18:46, 19 February 2018 (UTC)
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- Islamic terrorism → Islamist terrorism
- Islamic terrorism in Europe (2014–present) → Islamist terrorism in Europe (2014–present)
– The actual name seems to be "Islamism", so as a verb it seems clearer to say "Islamist", rather than "Islamic". Unreal7 (talk) 14:08, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose as Islamic is more inclusive than Islamist, and some instances of Islamic terror may not be Islamist. Furthermore, "Islamic terrorism" is much more prevalent than "Islamist terrorism" - which as a phrase doesn't even show up on ngram- [1] - so per COMMONNAME, Islamic terrorism is the appropriate term.Icewhiz (talk) 14:39, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Support "Islamic terrorism" is a loaded term, used to indict the religion as a whole, while "Islamist" is more appropriate and directly-focused on the small extremists within Islam. This is why there was such a tizzy when Trump used the wrong word in a speech. ValarianB (talk) 14:53, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose This has been 6 requested move discussions before and the community consensus appears to retain the term Islamic.Further the term Islamic terrorism clearly is more common term and more widely used including in in scholarly and academically ] rather than Islamist terrorism and clearly per WP:COMMONNAME.Further the Militant groups including the Islamic state themselves call themselves Islamic and have justified the violence based on religion or in other cases Christian ,Sikh ,Hindu if they call themselves by religion feel we cannot put political correctness over this .BBC refused to call the Islamic state as Daesh despite a request from British MP and even the Prime Minister .head of the BBC rejected the demands, saying that using Daesh would not preserve the BBC’s impartiality as it risked giving an impression of support for the group’s opponents .We need to call what groups call themselves and this clearly sourced in WP:RS.It would be censorship in wikipedia if we do not use the most common term and term the groups engaging in violence call themselves as BBC rightly did. Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 15:38, 10 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose per WP:Common name. My very best wishes (talk) 00:26, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose - the common name is Islamic terrorism. - DoubleCross (talk) 20:54, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
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