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Proposed changes

The following are proposals for changes that I have been considering for a while. All of these are changes that I believe will improve the article. If any of these are unopposed, I am capable and willing to implement them myself.

1. Reordering columns in the main table. It has always perplexed me why, after the rank and name of the channel itself, the network is seemingly the most pertinent information to provide, followed by the primary language, and only then the subscriber count. It seems obvious that the figure for which the article itself is named should be placed further to the left than less essential data. I would instead have the subscriber column be immediately left of the channel column, followed by the primary language, and then the network, and finally the category. In effect, this would mean simply switching the network and subscriber count columns.

2. Rename the "channel name" columns to simply "channel". It is already obvious that these columns contain the names of their respective channels; including the word ~~"channel"~~ "name" in the header is simply unnecessary.

3. Alter the "chg" column header. This is relatively minor, but the current hover text "Change in rank (within 14 days)" would be more precise if reworded to something such as "Net change in rank within the last 14 days". There should aslo be a period at the end of the "Chg" to designate that it is an abbreviation.

4. Trim down the historical progression table. The network and country columns are cruft-like and unsouced. The table should be kept to only what is relevant and useful, and this would be accomplished by their removal.

5. Reverse the chronological order of the historical progression table. The table was not originally in reverse chronological order, but this edit—made without discussion and simply asserting that the table should be reversed without offering any explanation why—is the reason for its current state. I am opposed to this because I see no compelling reason for it; I would desire an explanation of exactly why it is an improvement over chronological order, which would seem to be the default, natural way to list the channels, before reconsidering my stance.

As always, I hope to hear others’ thoughts and suggestions. Life of Tau 23:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As more than thirty days have elapsed with no objections made, I have gone ahead and implemented the proposed changes. Life of Tau 02:52, 25 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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The Netherlands is represented by Trap City in this chart while it should be Spinnin Records with 23 million subscribers. https://www.youtube.com/user/SpinninRec

Spinnin records is dutch: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinnin'_Records 213.127.27.231 (talk) 16:24, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: The Netherlands entry in the "By country and territory" table correctly reflects what is listed in the cited DBase page. If you believe that DBase is in error, you are welcome to propose an alternative reliable source upon which to base the entire table (not just the Netherlands entry). Life of Tau 18:28, 16 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Change "is the most-subscribed user on YouTube, with over 66 million subscribers as of October 2018." to: "is the most-subscribed user on YouTube, with over 67 million subscribers as of October 2018." Nickgeorgiou (talk) 02:21, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Done per the cited Social Blade page. Life of Tau 02:38, 17 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Is T-Series, SET India and two Zee channels primary language Hindi or Hindi-Urdu (Hindustani language)

I am a Urdu speaker from Pakistan never been to India and I understand language spoken in Indian movies and TV. Yet the language spoken by PM Modi in his speeches is foreign to me. He speaks Hindi. I speak Urdu. I understand Indian movies and TV so Indian movies and TV can't be in Hindi. Then Indian movies and TV language must be in Hindi-Urdu or Hindustani which is different from Hindi.

Here^[1]^[2]^[3] is some of the sources that supports my view point that these channel language of choice is Hindi-Urdu or Hindustani. If you say these are not direct source then I would say the channel content is also from TV and Bollywood movies and not just created for only YouTube channels.

First Bollywood is an international film industry and second Indian television is popular in Pakistan so Pakistanis must speak Hindi but no Pakistanis speak Urdu. Besides Bollywood being popular among the South Asian diaspora, in far off locations, from Nigeria and Senegal to Egypt and Russia, generations of non-Indian fans have grown up with Bollywood over the decades, bearing witness to the cross-cultural appeal of Indian films. Indian cinema's early contacts with other regions became visible with its films making early inroads into the Soviet Union, Middle East, Southeast Asia and China. Why would Arabs and Persians be interested in the Bollywood movies because half the movie is in Urdu which borrows words from Arabic, Persian and many other languages. If the Bollywood movies were in Hindi, I as a Urdu speaker would understand nothing. Ahmedmahdi1 (talk) 16:46, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ "Decoding the Bollywood poster". National Science and Media Museum. 28 February 2013.
^ Aḵẖtar, Jāvīd; Kabir, Nasreen Munni (2002). Talking Films: Conversations on Hindi Cinema with Javed Akhtar. Oxford University Press. p. 49. ISBN 9780195664621. JA: I write dialogue in Urdu, but the action and descriptions are in English. Then an assistant transcribes the Urdu dialogue into Devnagari because most people read Hindi. But I write in Urdu. Not only me, I think most of the writers working in this so-called Hindi cinema write in Urdu: Gulzar, or Rajinder Singh Bedi or Inder Raj Anand or Rahi Masoom Raza or Vahajat Mirza, who wrote dialogue for films like Mughal-e-Azam and Gunga Jumna and Mother India. So most dialogue-writers and most song-writers are from the Urdu discipline, even today.
^ "Film World". Film World. 10. T.M. Ramachandran: 65. 1974. I feel that the Government should eradicate the age-old evil of certifying Urdu films as Hindi ones. It is a known fact that Urdu has been willingly accepted and used by the film industry. Two eminent Urdu writers Krishan Chander and Ismat Chughtai have said that "more than seventy-five per cent of films are made in Urdu." It is a pity that although Urdu is freely used in films, the producers in general mention the language of the film as "Hindi" in the application forms supplied by the Censor Board. It is a gross misrepresentation and unjust to the people who love Urdu.

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T-series is now the most subscribed youtube channel 2001:8003:AC1B:2A00:B442:7457:113B:1BE7 (talk) 08:07, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. --DannyS712 (talk) 11:51, 28 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Issue with T Series

If I recall, it has been confirmed that certain scandals/controversies surrounding T Series are legitimate, such as the accusation that when an YouTube account is made in India, it is automatically subscribed to T Series, shouldn't these concerns be brought up in a separate controversies section, or something of the sort.--MilkFghy (talk) 00:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)Fghy[reply]

That was a joke. Do you really believe in PewDiePie's memes/take them seriously? I mean, that is seriously dumb. No offense to you, dude. Just that the idea is silly. 2.51.19.70 (talk) 20:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just made a new account, set the region to India, and I was subscribed--MilkFghy (talk) 17:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

[scienceandmediamuseum-1] "Decoding the Bollywood poster". National Science and Media Museum. 28 February 2013.

[Akhtar-2] Aḵẖtar, Jāvīd; Kabir, Nasreen Munni (2002). Talking Films: Conversations on Hindi Cinema with Javed Akhtar. Oxford University Press. p. 49. ISBN 9780195664621. JA: I write dialogue in Urdu, but the action and descriptions are in English. Then an assistant transcribes the Urdu dialogue into Devnagari because most people read Hindi. But I write in Urdu. Not only me, I think most of the writers working in this so-called Hindi cinema write in Urdu: Gulzar, or Rajinder Singh Bedi or Inder Raj Anand or Rahi Masoom Raza or Vahajat Mirza, who wrote dialogue for films like Mughal-e-Azam and Gunga Jumna and Mother India. So most dialogue-writers and most song-writers are from the Urdu discipline, even today.

[film-world-3] "Film World". Film World. 10. T.M. Ramachandran: 65. 1974. I feel that the Government should eradicate the age-old evil of certifying Urdu films as Hindi ones. It is a known fact that Urdu has been willingly accepted and used by the film industry. Two eminent Urdu writers Krishan Chander and Ismat Chughtai have said that "more than seventy-five per cent of films are made in Urdu." It is a pity that although Urdu is freely used in films, the producers in general mention the language of the film as "Hindi" in the application forms supplied by the Censor Board. It is a gross misrepresentation and unjust to the people who love Urdu.

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 If I recall, it has been confirmed that certain scandals/controversies surrounding T Series are legitimate, such as the accusation that when an YouTube account is made in India, it is automatically subscribed to T Series, shouldn't these concerns be brought up in a separate controversies section, or something of the sort.--[[User:MilkFghy|MilkFghy]] ([[User talk:MilkFghy|talk]]) 00:18, 9 November 2018 (UTC)Fghy
 ::That was a joke. Do you really believe in PewDiePie's memes/take them seriously? I mean, that is seriously dumb. No offense to you, dude. Just that the idea is silly. [[Special:Contributions/2.51.19.70|2.51.19.70]] ([[User talk:2.51.19.70|talk]]) 20:37, 9 November 2018 (UTC)
+:::I just made a new account, set the region to India, and I was subscribed--[[User:MilkFghy|MilkFghy]] ([[User talk:MilkFghy|talk]]) 17:25, 10 November 2018 (UTC)