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Island or islet?

RS have repeatedly called it an island; per NYT it is "a roughly 70-acre island." A recent addition says it is "more accurately, an islet" citing a guidebook. "Islet" is not a technical term; it just describes any small island. For example, the uninhabited Loggerhead Key covers 49 acres but is widely described as an "island" not an "islet." "Islet" is more typically used for very small uninhabited islands such as Imia (9.9 acres). HouseOfChange (talk) 16:40, 5 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Vadermask (talk) 08:05, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

FBI recovered tens of thousands of instances of pedophilia recorded onto hard drives, CDs and DVDs. We watched them leave the island with the goods.

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Rehsarb (talk) 14:45, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Undiscussed move to Epstein Island

The island's name is Little Saint James. "Epstein Island" may be a common slang usage, but it seems un-encyclopedic to use a pejorative nickname for a geographical location. Before anyone moves the article again, I would like to see some discussion about it. HouseOfChange (talk) 14:31, 29 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The move was in full accordance with wikipedia policies, but ill initiate a RM Abo Yemen ✉ 14:02, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 2 April 2024

It has been proposed in this section that Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands be renamed and moved to Epstein Island.

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Little Saint James, U.S. Virgin Islands → Epstein Island – per WP:COMMONNAME and WP:CONCISE Abo Yemen ✉ 14:03, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose "Epstein Island" is less, not more, common than "Little Saint James," per Google (1,350,000 results vs 1,660,000,000 results.) I oppose changing the title of this encyclopedia article about a geographical location to a vulgar recent nickname. HouseOfChange (talk) 15:55, 2 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Google trends graph shows that both names are somewhat close to each other, and sometimes the name "Epstein Island" receives slightly more search results Abo Yemen ✉ 23:37, 4 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support More search results and COMMONNAME. I only hear Epstein Island, but that's just me. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 12:12, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Nominator has adduced no evidence that the nickname "Epstein Island" is the COMMONNAME of the island. Zacwill (talk) 18:33, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

See Google Trends, which shows a slight preference to Epstein Isl. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 18:38, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Google Trends merely tells us what people are typing into Google. It does not tell us anything about what "independent, reliable, English-language sources" are using, and so it is not very useful when it comes to determining what the COMMONNAME is. Zacwill (talk) 19:08, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose. I think Google News can show phrase prevalence but I don't want to fiddle with booleans at the moment. 🇺🇲JayCubby✡ please edit my user page! Talk 21:48, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I would however support the removal of the unnecessary disambiguator "U.S. Virgin Islands", in accordance with WP:CONCISE. WP:USPLACES mandates the inclusion of state and territory names when it comes to "populated places", but this does not seem to apply to islands (cf. Martha's Vineyard and Santa Cruz Island). Zacwill (talk) 19:19, 9 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Support… unfortunately. In no way to endorse the etymology. But it is the islands common name. There are probably examples of where common names are used over official names for island. I’ll have a look, but for now the example that pops into my head is Big Ben. An unfortunate common name. 10001731848a (talk) 10:52, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It took me 1 minute to find an example: São Luís Island. It’s official name is Upaon-açu Island. 10001731848a (talk) 10:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another example: Aquidneck Island, which is officially named 'Rhode Island' 10001731848a (talk) 11:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Another example: Fraser Island which is officially named 'K’gari'. To note, this is not the same as anglicising a name, as 'Fraser' is not an anglicisation of ‘K’gari', it would be called Cagarry Island, or something similar if it was anglicised. 10001731848a (talk) 11:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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 *:It took me 1 minute to find an example: [[São Luís Island]]. It’s official name is Upaon-açu Island. [[User:10001731848a|10001731848a]] ([[User talk:10001731848a|talk]]) 10:54, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
 *:Another example: [[Aquidneck Island]], which is officially named 'Rhode Island' [[User:10001731848a|10001731848a]] ([[User talk:10001731848a|talk]]) 11:00, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
+*:Another example: [[Fraser Island]] which is officially named 'K’gari'. To note, this is not the same as anglicising a name, as 'Fraser' is not an anglicisation of ‘K’gari', it would be called Cagarry Island, or something similar if it was anglicised. [[User:10001731848a|10001731848a]] ([[User talk:10001731848a|talk]]) 11:05, 10 April 2024 (UTC)