Talk:Mustafa Kemal Atatürk

Semi-protected edit request on 26 June 2014

[musˈtäfä ceˈmäl ätäˈtyɾc] ---> [musˈtafa keˈmal ataˈtyɾc]

Nevermind past request, i get it, K is written as C, but it might as well be written as K

ɑ is the right letter for a in Mustafa Kemal, there is no ä in turkish ipa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Turkish,_Azerbaijani_and_Turkmen and K is better than C, turkish learners may be confused, because C is pronounced DJ

National Heroes of Turkey

Please add "Category:National Heroes of Turkey". If you don't have Atatürk in that category, why do you need it? Have you ever witnessed a 10 November ceremony in Turkey? (If not, do it and write an article about it.) Atatürk is the number 1 national hero of Turkey. --176.239.106.241 (talk) 18:37, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Well, I agree with him. Atatürk is the most important "National Hero of Turkey". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.215.150.222 (talk) 15:44, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Internal link out of date

The 'Turkification' link in the main section is now wrong, the Republic_of_Turkey bit needs to be changed to Modern_Turkey. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.4.129.255 (talk) 06:20, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

His Origin

I really suprised in this sentences: "There are also some suggestions about the possibility of his Slavic origin, based on his light skin complexion, blond hair and blue eyes.[22][23][24]." Many historian and antropologist says that his light skin, blue eyes and blond hair comes from Kuman Turks. They lands Karaman providence in Turkey. Atatürk's anchestors come from Karaman providence and they are from Kızıl Oğuzlar (Red Oghuzs) tribe of Kuman Turks. Most of people in this tribe and in Kuman Turks have blond hair and colored eyes. You can watch a documentary as a reference that is named "Atatürk'ün Soyu" (Origin of Atatürk). It is made by TRT (National Boardcasting Inst.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Turkmaned (talk • contribs) 19:57, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

I guess. It sounds like no one knows. There are three refs for that statement, all being actual books.

• The first says "Mustapha, like many Ottomans, was of mixed genetic heritage, a product of the Balkan melting pot. His mother, Zübeyde, was fair and blue-eyed, perhaps partly of Slavic or Albanian ancestry".
• The second is off-line and I can't access it.
• The third is off-line, but a the ref gives a quote, which is "Whether, like most Macedonians, he had about him a touch of the hybrid — perhaps of the Slav or Albanian — can only be a matter for surmise"

Sounds like no one knows and its all speculation. He was born in Salonika. The article does say "His mother Zübeyde is thought to have been of Turkish origin..." (emphasis added) and there's a great deal about where his ancestors may have come from -- essentially all speculation, as far as I can tell -- before the paragraph ends with the Slavic but.

It's OK to include speculation if its notable enough. The documentary you cite is OK, although videos make poor refs as they are not available to all readers and are hard to search and translate (and I sure as heck don't know where to find this documentary).

However, if as you say "Many historians and anthropologist say that his light skin, blue eyes, and blond hair come from the Kuman Turks" and so forth, there ought to be other references. I don't care enough myself to dig them up, but if you can then as far as I'm concerned you're welcome to add the Kuman Turks bit to the hodge-podge of speculation that is that paragraph. Herostratus (talk) 21:32, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Slavic Origin

The fact that individuals claim he perhaps carried Slavic ancestry because of his light complexion is an absurd, baseless assumption - and should perhaps be deleted.

My grandfather was born in Iran, and was a white skinned, blondie with blue eyes. Does that make him of Slavic origin, even after you consider the fact that the Slavic people never settled in Iran and never mingled with the population there?

Absurd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.25.11.37 (talk) 22:31, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 July 2016

Please change spelling: "Mustafa Kemal was instrumental in suprressing the revolt." to "Mustafa Kemal was instrumental in suppressing the revolt."

77.179.32.73 (talk) 18:22, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Done EvergreenFir (talk) 20:46, 16 July 2016 (UTC)

Complete re-write might be a better option

This article is terribly written. Let's re-write ... E104421 (talk) 23:54, 29 August 2016 (UTC)