Talk:North Korea

please write about "camp 22"

please write a short note about camp 22. let the wrold know about the bruatality Gireeshkottayam (talk) 16:23, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 17:00, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

See Hoeryong concentration camp.--Jack Upland (talk) 19:30, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

The "Human rights" and "Law enforcement and internal security" sections here cover the camp issue in some detail. I don't think we need to mention every camp by name (or number). Camp 22 has been closed, so it's not relevant as up-to-date information about the issue. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 19:32, 19 March 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I propose to merge Talk:Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Talk:Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) into Talk:North Korea. Because Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are only redirect pages for North Korea for a long time; Talk:Democratic People's Republic of Korea and Talk:Democratic People's Republic of Korea (North Korea) are only blank pages from the two talk pages were created until now, I think it is a good idea to complete this page merger.
123.150.182.180
11:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Nomination of Portal:North Korea for deletion

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Naming convention for "Hangul"

Cross-link to a discussion I posted at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (Korean)#Why are we calling Hangul "Chosŏn'gŭl" in North-Korea-related articles? Please discuss there. Fut.Perf. ☼ 19:06, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 May 2019

The sixth sentence in the third body paragraph of the introduction states that "Most services such as healthcare, education, housing and food production are subsidized or state-funded." I believe a comma (,) should be inserted after the seventh word, housing, to correct the grammar. This would result in "Most services such as healthcare, education, housing, and food production are subsidized or state-funded." Thank you for reviewing this. Ravenclawinaleatherjacket (talk) 06:09, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

 Not done: Seems correct to me. "Apples, oranges, bananas and pears" - not "Apples,oranges, bananas, and pears" is correct punctuation to me - but I'm not a fan of the serial comma - so someone may disagree, and I'll leave this open for other input. Our Manual of Style says we may either use or not use serial commas, but should be consistent within the prose. I looked at the next three candidates and see: "with a total of 9,495,000 active, reserve and paramilitary personnel" "the fourth largest in the world, after China, the United States and India" and "The gravity, scale and nature of these violations", so I'm inclined to leave it out, as they do. -- Begoon 06:27, 23 May 2019 (UTC) ...adding... although that's probably not entirely a fair exercise because my third example is in a direct quote, so not part of the prose as such - reading on I find "diametrically opposed political, economic, and social systems." which has the serial comma - so we are, it seems, inconsistent in our usage here... -- Begoon 06:37, 23 May 2019 (UTC)

Food crisis

This suggests that the crisis probably isn't a crisis. I suggest we wait a while and then remove this item from the "History" section if it doesn't develop further.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:51, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Post-Cold War History

I have removed these sentences:

• Restrictions on travel were tightened, and the state security apparatus was strengthened.
• Corruption flourished and disillusionment with the government spread.

They have been tagged "citation needed" for a year, and I think they really do need citations if they are to be included.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Korean War needs to be added on the “formation” part

I am pretty sure the Korean War is important to North Korea’s history, so someone please add Korean War on formation. Bubba2018 (talk) 20:38, 30 May 2019 (UTC)Bubba2018

I just added it. I may have accidentally deleted something. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:MobileDiff/899557231 Bubba2018 (talk) 20:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)Bubba2018

It's been reverted, but I think your version was better. The current infobox mentions "Chinese withdrawal" in 1958, but doesn't say why they were there in the first place. The Chinese withdrawal (or entry) is not mentioned in the rest of the article. It also implies that North Korea wasn't independent until the Chinese withdrawal. I think that's highly questionable.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:31, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

How about let's keep both the Korean War and Chinese withdrawal out of the infobox? – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:32, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

OK. For that matter, I think only the 1945-48 entries are relevant to "Formation". The early stuff is about the development of Korea, not the formation of the DPRK. And I don't think the Provisional Government was important to the formation of the DPRK. It wasn't even particularly important to the ROK. The rest are significant milestones, but they don't really relate to the formation of the DPRK.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:55, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

NK has reportedly executed 5 negotiators-where to place?

CNBC, Fox, etc., have picked up a story in the South Korean press that five officials were executed and one put to hard labor for the failed 2nd summit with the U.S. that took place in Viet-Nam. I'm not sure if this belongs more under 'Dear Leader' or North Korea? I'm leaning towards Kim's article that it apparently was done to blame scapegoats for the continued sanctions and the total ignoring of their last missile test by Trump. 50.111.48.57 (talk) 01:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

CNBC and Chosun Ilbo which they cite, for convenience. – Finnusertop (talk ⋅ contribs) 09:20, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Dear Informant, Kim Jong Un is not referred to as "Dear Leader". Chosun Ilbo is known for false reports. For example, it reported that Hyon Song-wol was executed in 2013 for producing a pornographic video. The reality was that she had disappeared from public view to give birth to a child. In this story it cites an anonymous source. At the very least we should wait to see if this executed people reappear before adding this to any article.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)

Jack - you should know by now that in the rest of the world, the slang ref to Kim is often "Dear Leader." :-)