Talk:White pride

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Wikipedia articles are intended to summarize what independent reliable sources say about a subject. If you have material to add, it must cite reliable sources or it will be removed. - SummerPhD (talk) 22:58, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

The original text in the definition for white pride is completely inaccurate and biased. Although there is a facet to the term or slogan that is connected with hate speech and or white nationalist skin head gangs/organizations this aspect belongs in the controversy section.my only goal is to present a proper presentation which mirrors the definitions of black pride and Asian pride. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Commonsenceforanuncommonage (talk • contribs) 08:11, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The fact is, "White Pride" is used primarily by a bunch of bigots as stated in the first sentence of the article. This is well established by many, many WP:RS. As a certifiable way-over-privileged "white guy", I wish to not be associated with this sh*t. The WP:WEIGHT is correct and the article should retain its criticism of "White Pride" Jim1138 (talk) 08:28, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Your opinions and Salon.com are not reliable sources. Have a look at the Black pride article and the vastly different tone there. It lists users of the phrase such as Black Panther Party without calling them racists (and they are). This is article is dripping with liberal, progressive, anti-white bias. Not even close to WP:NPOV Matty1487 (talk) 16:40, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Your opinion about salon.com is not a reliable source. Your stating they're not NPOV does not make them POV. Get consensus on a talk page before deleting sourced information. Ratemonth (talk) 22:56, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

It is time to fix it or remove it completely, the article as displayed now is an opinion piece written to portray all white people as racist.

With this piece, all the sources and references refer to opinion based media stories, claimed to be some kind of "verifiable" or "reliable source". Yet anytime similar media stories or opinion pieces relating to the other skin colors "pride" pages are posted equating them as racist, militant, or supremacist, typically using the exact same "verifiable" or "reliable sources" (many times the same website or news media story is referenced as used in the white pride article), they are removed as spam, unverified, or unreliable. Even when factual evidence is presented linking the black pride groups (like the Black Panthers and NAACP) to racism, it is still removed. So far only the racist opinionated sources allowed to remain are against whites, continuing to propagate this racism against this one skin color. This entire piece (as well as the others mentioned about black pride, asian pride, and gay pride) need to be rewritten to the same equal standards, either portray them all as sexist/racist groups, or portray none of them as such. Refusing to correct this sets a double standard and undermines the entire unbiased basis of Wikipedia. As written now, all these pride pieces based on skin color or sexual preference are set and based in modern liberal political correctness, which in itself is based on the propagation of hatred against whites, Christians, and conservatives, and includes the refusal to portray other skin colors as racist in any form, even if their anti-white racism is blatant and clearly seen by all. I recommend this story be temporarily taken down until a factual legitimate piece can replace it without the anti-white racist perspective. White pride has nothing to do with white supremacy, the KKK, or racism against other skin colors or cultures. Even if those racist groups may use that terminology on occasion (just as the racist Black Panthers commonly refer to and say "black pride"), their use is not the basis behind white pride, thus the removal of this story is needed until it can be rewritten. If this pieces is allowed to remain as is, then the black pride, asian pride, and other pieces must be modified also follow the same format, portraying them as racist as well. The currently used opinion based sources and references can be easily listed under a separate heading of "occasional use by racist groups" as a means to propagate their racism against other people, but is NOT the basis behind white pride. Keeping this piece as is, may as well have the title of "perspective used by anti-white racists". This article as written is the perspective used by the anti-white racists to slander all white people by portraying the whites as the racist, yet refusing to be seen as the racist. Fix it or remove it. (Talikarni (talk) 18:48, 10 February 2016 (UTC))

@Talikarni: We require reliable sources for all claims. Sources integrally link White Pride with White Supremacy. You disagree, but that's your point of view. We report what sources say, not what we think is true (see WP:TRUTH). This article will not be removed just because you disagree with it. You need to provide specific suggestions with specific sources and not use this talk page as a forum (see WP:NOTFORUM). Your comments (as well as those by IP editors) are becoming tendentious and disruptive. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 19:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

if that is the case then why not allow counter sourced material to remain versus removing content you are bias against.Auwatcher (talk) 22:21, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

@Auwatcher: Please be specific. What exactly are you referring to as "counter sourced"? Also, don't accuse editors of bias (see no personal attacks). EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 22:43, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

• Simply put: You need reliable sources that meet wikipedias standard for reliable sources.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 23:49, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 February 2016

WP:NOTFORUM EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 02:25, 10 February 2016 (UTC)
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
I have a complain about the current status about the pride branches. Gay pride: stand against homofobia and being proud in being homosexual. Black pride: About pride in being black. Asian pride: about pride in being asian. And the last one White pride: used by racist and neo nazis used to show their racism seriously wiki? how can it be racist to be proud in being white but not in being black? i want to see a change in this or else i am willing to go far with this. 90.231.230.107 (talk) 20:04, 9 February 2016 (UTC) This is making it's rounds on social media, and though Social Media shouldn't be the authority on how wiki articles should be structured, I can certainly see the benefit in changing the wordings here, as previously stated, it is a heavily biased introduction. --152.228.136.72 (talk) 20:38, 9 February 2016 (UTC) Thanks for the heads-up about this being canvassed on social media, for any content to be added reliable third-party published sources are needed. Personal opinions are no more than original research, which can't be included on Wikipedia, and due weight has to be given to published expert views. . dave souza, talk 21:21, 9 February 2016 (UTC) Why is white pride view as negative terms? Check Black pride, gay pride, Asian pride ...... I am white and I am not ashamed of my race no matter how racist Wikipedia chooses to be — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.237.236 (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2016 (UTC) This is a racist article that compares the white pride to neo-nazism. I demand that the article be remove permanently. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_pride — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.8.237.236 (talk) 16:13, 10 February 2016 (UTC) This article needs to be re-written This article needs to be re-written, because it is racist. I am a white person and this article is racist and offends me. It is all based based n lies and bias. I am proud to be white and no, I am not a racist. Norum 23:52, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

The official "This article needs to be rewritten because it's racist thread"

Alot of people or a few socks (depending on how you want to look at it) have expressed that this page is racist. They note what they consider as related pages getting a separate treatment (such as Black pride, Gay pride, etc.) getting a separate treatment. This is not a forum for discussion. This is an encyclopedia. If you suggest that there is some non-racist usage or movement tied to the phrase and usage of "White Pride" then provide reliable sources. I'm not familiar with anything to this effect myself and would be interested in seeing it. There's a need for these sources if you want it in the article. The majority of the usage relates to racism and white supremacist groups, but there is the possibility that something could have been missed. If we've missed something you can help by providing reliable sources.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:08, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

It doesn't take Einstein to figure out that the way this article is formulated is racist. This is a request to have to re-written proper way, not just a forum for discussion. This article offends me the way it is. Let's look at facts, it is ok to be proud to be black or Asian, but yu are a racist if you are proud to be white? That kind of an approach itself is racist. So I guess if I'm proud t be white then I must be racist? Typical leftie thinking...and just when i requested this article be re-written, i've gt some plonker deleting it and saying this is nt a place for racism. What is wrng with that person? Norum 00:15, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

It was Ratemonth who originally reverted it, because, as he claimed, this is not a place for racism? What is wrong with him/her? I get offended by the way this article is written snd request t have it re-written and Ratemonth calls that racist? Norum 00:20, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

It offends you? I'm sorry to hear that. I'm not exactly sure how that matters or is anyway relevant but certainly sorry to hear it. Wikipedia is not censored. You can read about that at WP:NOT. Let's look at the facts. This article is about the historic usage of "White pride", like the "black pride" article is about the historic usage of that phrase. If you have any sources all for "White pride" being used in a manner that's not racist, please share your sources. Otherwise the conversation would seem to be over.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:24, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

What this article does is generalizing every white person who is proud to be white, as racist. What about the Black Panthers and Black Power? Perhaps this article should be changed from White Pride to White Pwer, then it would make more sense. But the way it stands right now, it is biased agaisnt white people. Norum 00:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Well you could see it as that but there's nothing even remotely reasonable to suggest that. We could certainly add something about the nonracist aspects of "White pride" once you provide those sources.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:31, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I suggest a request for formal mediation. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:33, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

But to whom would they invite?-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 00:36, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

I cannot take seriously anyone who claims that White pride is equivalent to Black pride, etc. They are entirely different things. Anyone who is uneducated enough to not know that needs to read an encyclopedia article, not try to write one. I doubt that the editors claiming these are equivalent ideas are actually that uneducated, but are pretending. We should not be feeding these trolls, but simply delete everything they have to say, whether it's in articles or on talk pages. Ratemonth (talk) 00:41, 11 February 2016 (UTC)