User talk:FourViolas

Template:Education wikibreak Welcome to my talk page! Please leave new messages at the bottom of the page, and auto-sign your name by adding four tildes (~~~~). I'll respond here unless you request otherwise.

A page you started (Giordano Dance Chicago) has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Giordano Dance Chicago, FourViolas!

Wikipedia editor LowLevel73 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

Good job!

To reply, leave a comment on LowLevel73's talk page.

Learn more about page curation.

Blanking of Prosper Masquelier

Hello. I just wanted to delete this article because it has nothing to do on Wikipedia, this guy is not notable, even in his own country (France). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.2.53.215 (talk • contribs) 13:48, 9 February 2015

Thanks for your help, IP! Article deletion is often contentious, so we have a deletion policy to make things feel more calm and fair. Please read through it, as well as the notability guidelines for people. If you still think M. Masquelier's article should be deleted (I would agree with you), you can start a deletion discussion to reach consensus at WP:Articles for deletion. Good luck, feel free to contact me if you want help! FourViolas (talk) 14:04, 9 February 2015 (UTC) On Wikipedia, we like to be able to keep track of who said what when. In order to do that, we automatically sign all talk page posts by typing four tildes (~~~~) after each comment. Try to remember to do so.

I proposed the deletion of the article as requested, but someone removed the tag. Now I want to follow the AFD process but it reads on the dedicated page that I must have an account to complete it... I'm not a registered user, as you can see... Can you help me please? --109.2.53.215 (talk) 08:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again for your efforts. I'm sorry to tell you that I no longer feel I can support this article's deletion. I found the old discussion about it, which seemed to be talking about a different, better article; I've found and restored that version (feel free to check it out), and I believe it meets English Wikipedia's inclusion standard. If you disagree, you can always sign up and propose it, but I recommend you don't. The article will very probably be kept, and since Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia, we have plenty of room for this kind of thing without crowding out the information you or I want to be able to find here. Good luck with other Wiki-endeavors! I'd be happy to try to help with anything else you need. FourViolas (talk) 03:21, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Wednesday

I believe that my edit is constructive. I added "sometimes referred to as hump day". It's not a sexual reference. However, someone reverted my edit and assumed it was vandalism because of my other edits. Don't people trust that others can change, or is this a objective system. If so, I understand. However, the user who reverted the change probably doesn't know that [Wednesday is hump day. Wiki even redirects "hump day" to Wednesday, so why not add that it's referred to as hump day. Cluebot needs to be fixed or whoever reverted the change needs to know that hump day is Wednesday. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mareals Nanen (talk • contribs) 20:17, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Mareals Nanen! Is your IP address 168.8.249.236? Welcome, glad you've created an account.

I agree that your edition was not vandalism. It was automatically reverted by User:ClueBot NG because "hump" often is a sexual reference and Cluebot, bless its heart, is a computer program. However, the information is already in the article, properly sourced, in the cultural usage section, so you don't need to add it to the lead paragraph. FourViolas (talk) 23:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

May we recommend...

A crabby WP veteran violently chomps a newbie who appeared vulnerable, while passive Wikipedians look on

• Lionel_de_Jersey_Harvard
• John_Harvard_(statue)
• Widener_Library
• Eleanor_Elkins_Widener
• History_and_traditions_of_Harvard_commencements
• Phineas Gage

Enjoy! EEng (talk) 04:09, 16 February 2015 (UTC) In all seriousness, let me suggest you remove [1]. Where you're going that will do you no good, at best.

Thanks for the fascinating reading! Methinks I detect your handwriting in the brackets of the {{efn-ua}}s and {{shy}}s—very classy.

As for that, I avoid mentioning it IRL, but wanted to establish a pre-packaged reputation when I learned how little patience WP can have for clueless newbies. I let it slip during a campus visit and was disappointed to find that people care more about 2380 vs. 2390 than at schools with larger $\sigma ^{2}$ (resizing), so I'll probably take your advice before doxing myself to school friends. FourViolas (talk) 04:03, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

If we meet post-matriculation please let's just speak English. BTW I forgot Sacred Cod. EEng (talk) 04:33, 17 February 2015 (UTC) Love the choice of image.

Concerning our little project

Heya FV, I just wanted to let you know that Concert dance hasn't left my mind! It's just a very intimidating upgrade with my sporadic time, so I've been putting it off in favour of smaller issues (though, truth be told, some of them ended up being as involved at the revision itself would have been!). But I still have the sources and hope to get to it soon. Sorry I've broken our stride a little. Snow talk 11:24, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

No need to apologize, although it's nice to hear from you. I'm waiting on some interlibrary-loan sources, although I've also been intimidated. I think it'll be better once we're working together. Looking forward to getting started! I'll try to make that series box in the next day or so.

BTW, I just welcomed a very promising newbie with an invitation to join our task force. FourViolas (talk) 11:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) One of the wonderful things about where you're going is you'll almost never have to wait for ILL [2]. EEng (talk) 02:16, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't I know it—I can't wait! Although it fails my first test. Hope it's not an omen. FourViolas (talk) 11:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

No doubt they'd order it for you. In the meantime: [3]. EEng (talk) 12:58, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

That's great! We should start by helping them improve the sources for Meg Stuart (youtube). Honestly a little...shall we say avant-garde/abstract for my taste, but seems high profile enough something must be out there. Snow -I take all complaints in the form of rap battles- 15:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Well this one looked promising at first, until you read the disclaimer at the bottom of the page: "Posts by "DanceLand" are typically news announcements released by dance companies and related professionals for publication on sites like ours. Therefore we don't credit them to individuals on staff." Most every other hit seems to be either a blog, some professional/promotional account attached to her or the (dance) company "Damaged Goods", or some combination thereof. I'm not seeing anything of a quality of the one NY Times piece that is already referenced in our article, so I guess that will have to do for now. It's worth noting that the Times editorial does reference her as having been something of a "fixture" in New York at one time. Are you familiar? Snow -I take all complaints in the form of rap battles- 15:21, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

I am now! I found a few good sources, and worked them in without changing the content much. I might do so soon, as it's currently heavy on lists of non-bluelinked European artists, but at least now it's sourced and has up-to-date awards. I like to think of this kind of austerely avant-garde dance as staking out territory for more palatable art to come. :) FourViolas (talk) 11:20, 21 February 2015 (UTC) Oh, and I put up some kind of proof-of-concept dance box in my sandbox. Feel free to change it. FourViolas (talk) 11:22, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the warm introduction. I would be happy to collaborate or help out with developing pages for other choreographers, especially people who fall into this contemporary European concert dance category, cause I dig the stuff. Your cynicism can level me out. Also, the Meg Stuart page looks good. Poetzinger (talk) 04:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Excellent! Future curious people thank you.

And don't think I'm old and crabby—I like experimental dance as much as the next person. I'm into Judson (Rainer and CI), and more contemporarily Heidi Henderson and Camille A. Brown (usually). I will confess to heckling at St. Mark's Church in-the-Bowery once or twice, though. FourViolas (talk) 03:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Thank you [for welcoming dance IP]

Thank you for your kind welcoming message. Following our chat (under another ip address - sorry) on the project pages about Dance theater, I couldn't help wondering whether one way to help rejuvenate Project Dance might actually be to merge it with Project Theatre. Just a passing thought... Best, 86.134.202.242 (talk) 15:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome! (You can always WP:Register an account, you know...)

Your suggestion is very possibly correct, but I don't want to support it because it has a sinister echo of the current situation of dance in academia (it's usually a minor tucked away in the Music or Theater departments). I strongly believe Dance is an artistic discipline as worthy of respect as Music or Theatre or Literature, and I'd hate to see it subsumed by another temporal art form. That said, it's a great idea to piggyback by notifying those WikiProjects when there are goings-on of common interest. Thanks! FourViolas (talk) 16:34, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Piero Scaruffi

i am a close friend of piero scaruffi and have personally had an intimate sexual relationship with him. please discontinue my deletion of him that he has, himself, approved. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.228.38 (talk) 09:51, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello, IP! Welcome to Wikipedia. I'm sorry I removed your characterization of Scaruffi as "homosexual". It's just that Wikipedia has strict rules about how to add potentially controversial information to biographies of living persons. It's nothing personal, but I don't have any way of confirming that you are who you say you are, and if you happen to be deceiving us Mr. Scaruffi might be very upset indeed.

Instead of blindly trusting anonymous contributors, our policy is to provide a citation to a reliable source in order to allow readers to verify that the information they find here is true. If you know of such a source, such as a biography of him in a reputable newspaper which explicitly describes him as "homosexual", that information could be included in a "Personal life" section. (It's not what he's known for, so it doesn't really make sense to add it to the lead paragraph.) If there are only sources which mention particular boyfriends or husbands, it's not appropriate to describe him as "homosexual", because sexuality is so complicated, but the info on his partners may be included if directly referenced. If there are no such sources, please do not add the information to the article. FourViolas (talk) 11:27, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you [for welcoming Jillsigman]

FourViolas, thank you for your kind welcoming message on my talk page. I am just beginning to navigate WP. Forgive me for any blunders. All best-- Jillsigman (talk) 01:40, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

My pleasure. You seem to be doing very well already! Any rookie mistakes you may make will be easy to fix (see Help:Reverting), and if anyone gives you a hard time about them tell them I said not to bite the newcomers. FourViolas (talk) 06:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

OOPS. I guess I should have left my question for you here... What did I say about blunders? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillsigman (talk • contribs) 02:10, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

A Question about Suggested Articles

Hi. Thanks for your encouragement. Definitely a rookie. I have a question for you-- especially given the dance editing project you are part of. Where is the best place to make suggestions about articles that I think should be written (but that I can't necessarily take on myself)? There are many deserving postmodern choreographers that don't have representation on WP and I think it would be good at least to start getting some of the names on a list. Is there already such a list? Or a task page? ...Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jillsigman (talk • contribs) 02:09, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

There seem to be two lists in place: one general one and one hosted by WikiProject Dance. Both lists have some backlog, but they attract plenty of editors looking for projects. When you add names, it's good to include a one-sentence blurb explaining why it would be cool to write about this person, and links to the best potential sources you can find in a quick search. If you do both, someone (very possibly me) will come across it shortly and decide to take it on. Thanks! FourViolas (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

This is great info. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.27.147.22 (talk) 15:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm happy to help! Backstage Wikipedia can be complicated.

You'll get used to this eventually, but it's helpful to log in before editing; to indent talk page responses by preceding them with one more ":" than the post you're responding to; and to sign each comment with "~~~~". That way we know who's talking, what they're talking about, and when they said it. It's not a big deal, though, especially with our helpful signature robot around to help. FourViolas (talk) 21:33, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

College Days

If God loves you he will allow you, during your four years in Cambridge, to become friends with a truly fine man (or woman) like Andrew Gleason. I had the pleasure of lunching with him at Lowell House about three times a week for years. Just knowing him was worth the whole $250,000. EEng (talk) 04:35, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

The privilege of having known such as Gleason is the only kind that matters. I'll be sure to supplicate Her next time I'm in Mem Church. FourViolas (talk) 06:06, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I had the impression you will matriculate this coming fall. Am I correct in that? EEng (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, although sometimes I try to be cagey about it lest I be written off as another teenage bighead. FourViolas (talk) 20:50, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I recommend you continue that approach. You're going to have a wonderful four years, but its value is in its effect on you, not on the impression it makes on others. EEng (talk) 03:59, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, very nicely put. I've been collecting quotes to keep me sane, and I'll add that. FourViolas (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Somatics changes

Hello, FourViolas! I made some big changes on the Somatics page - please take a look when you have a chance and let me know what you think. I look forward to seeing what additional edits you may have based on what I've done. There is still a need to flesh out some of the sections where I've just briefly mentioned various modalities. The psychotherapy section in particular; I have seen various suggestions for therapy modalities that could be included and now need to educate myself a bit and see what the sources say. Have a great day!--Karinpower (talk) 21:31, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Great job, thank you! I've never really collaborated in-depth on a written project, and I'm just tickled to see how neatly our thoughts complement each other's. I'll put in some time responding to your latest work; you've added great material, and I can already see some things I'd like to expand. It's exciting to watch the article grow to fill this significant, Wiki-neglected topic! FourViolas (talk) 12:16, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Hi FourViolas. I thought I'd just drop you a line to say, well done for trying to solve the Jeremy Tolleson situation. It's important to protect real people from the harm that Wikipedia can cause and your actions were sensible given the situation. If you ever come across anything similar in future and want a second opinion, feel free to pop over and ask. WormTT(talk) 16:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow, WTT, I'm honored! I hope someday I won't have to bother AN/I over things like this, but for now it's great to know help is always near.

I actually did have a situation which could use your tact and tools. MusicTeacherClub seems to be an account shared by good-faith experts who have made many helpful edits. They have also contributed an OR essay, Learning-Disadvantage Gap, which can't stay. I explained the situation as well as I could on their talk, but I don't feel capable of using the other tools I have—speedy deletion, AFD, UAA—without hurting WP's chances of retaining some of these editors. I asked for Audacity's help (he was friendly to me earlier), but that was before I bothered to notice he only checks in every few weeks. You seem perfect for the job, if you want to take it on. FourViolas (talk) 21:44, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Userfied bio you did now oversighted

You might wish to see this:[4] - I recognise that you meant well, but the bio was inappropriate anywhere. Dougweller (talk) 10:50, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I hope I didn't make the situation too much worse. I've been emailed by another Oversighter and have carefully read over WP:OS and WP:OSFAQ, so I hope to do better next time. FourViolas (talk) 11:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Don't worry about it. Most editors probably aren't clear on this. Dougweller (talk) 16:17, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Secret or Not

Hello FourViolas- I am taking you up on your kind offer of assistance.

The article at still links to the rather alarming Secret Society page. Given that Wikipedia has ‘outed’ our true name, the one and only secret that P.E.O. had left, I would like to remove this link and any reference to P.E.O. as a secret society.

The only way to justify the connection to a page including P.E.O. with “The Thuggee … a secret cult of assassins who worshipped the Hindugoddess Kali” would be if our 'secret' was restored and all references our actual name deleted from the P.E.O. article and associated pages.

As amusing as it is to be told that P.E.O. is “… deeply interlinked with the concept of the Mannerbund, the all-male "warrior-band" or "warrior-society" of pre-modern cultures”, this is not even a little bit true.

So I ask your advice: Do I remove the link? Or the name? Or both?

Thanks so much! WestCoastSue (talk) 22:29, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Wow, you've done a lot of great work on that article! There's a little cleanup left, which I'll get to soon.

I think that for now, since reliable sources have described it as "secret", it would be original research and unverifiable to say that it isn't—especially because the "original" meaning is still unclear. Wikipedia and other sources have published several suggested names, but none of them are more than hearsay, and are currently accurately referenced as such. Here's a possible compromise:

You can link between Wikipedia pages by simply enclosing the article title in double brackets ("[[P.E.O. Sisterhood]]" looks like "P.E.O. Sisterhood"). You can also display a label other than the actual title by adding it after a vertical bar: "[[P.E.O. Sisterhood|that society]]" looks like "that society" and links to the same place. Furthermore, you can link to a section within an article with a # symbol: for instance, we're talking about P.E.O. Sisterhood#Name. So, what if we linked to Secret Society#Colleges and Universities (displayed as secret society), because the group was founded as a collegiate organization? That section is not the best-written (feel free to improve it! you certainly have the skills), but it gives a less inaccurate description of the kind of group the P.E.O. seems to be.

But either way, I don't think it's so terrible to be put in a broad class with unrelated groups. For example. list of women's organizations includes the Socialist Women's Network, which probably doesn't represent the views of most of your members. Readers should get an accurate idea of the PEO from accurate, reliably sourced, independently verifiable information in its own article; its links are just there for extra background. Readers should be able to deduce that you don't, as an organization, endorse Socialism or assassination just because other groups on other pages do. FourViolas (talk) 03:07, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank-you for the form notes and for the thoughtful content of your comment. Attributions of P.E.O. as "secret" occurred before 2005. At that time P.E.O. launched the “It’s OK to Talk About P.E.O.” campaign specifically to address the issue of secrecy, which had become a recruiting impediment. The only "secret" we tried to keep was the name. Since, thanks in large part to Wikipedia, that is now public and given all we have done to get out from under this label, it seems grossly unfair to continue to burden us with it.

However, I deffer to your choice. secret society it is. The corollary is that we get to keep our secret and I may remove references to The Name, yes? WestCoastSue (talk) 10:08, 13 March 2015 (UTC) WestCoastSue (talk) 10:21, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

P.S. re your 'Socialist' observation- Unfortunately, yes, many of our American sisters, particularly from the Southern States, lack that original Methodist proudly Socialist spirit. P.E.O. is not meant just for other P.E.O.s; It means rather to serve other women who have NOT had our advantages. "Secret" societies seem to be about giving themselves some kind of inside track, the opposite of our philosophy. WestCoastSue (talk) 10:34, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

If you actually look at the references, 4. Talking P.E.O.: How does an organization introduce a new identity to the public? By first reassuring itself that “It’s OK” to change. (article by Sheree Clark in Feb./Mar. 2006 issue of Dynamic Graphics magazine) is all about exactly this topic. It is an article by the person hired by P.E.O. to shepherd this change from secret to public. As she says in the article, the organization was committed to becoming public EXCEPT for the name. WestCoastSue (talk) 17:19, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I appreciate your difficulty. It's non-neutral to remove reliably sourced info (the alleged "real name", or the "secret society" label), but you have maddeningly unverified personal knowledge that the RS are wrong. So I suggest the issue be tackled more directly. This could perhaps be challenged as original research, but what if you said something like,

"In 2005, the Sisterhood unveiled a new logo and an “It’s OK to Talk About P.E.O.” campaign, seeking to raise the public profile of the organization while maintaining its traditions of secrecy. Before then, the organization's avoidance of publicity, and the secrecy of their name, caused it to be considered it a "secret society'."?

References

That makes it clear that RS haven't called it a "secret society" since the campaign, and provides better information in the sources.

I'm sorry to hear the spirit of Marxist solidarity is not universal among your membership, although that hardly prevents your doing good work. And I don't think you need to worry about this page scaring people off, now that you've fixed it up so well and removed false, poorly cited rumors. Still, when push comes to shove Wikipedia has to be an encyclopedia with fair, verifiable (even if not perfect) coverage, not a recruiting tool for its subjects. FourViolas (talk) 11:42, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Right. Journalistic integrity. Got it! And thanks very much for the assistance with refs and for the constructive guidance. I will implement it to the best of my ability. Ciao, Susan WestCoastSue (talk) 13:44, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

DYK for Graham technique

— Coffee // have a cup // beans // 12:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Invitation

Thank you for using VisualEditor and sharing your ideas with the developers.

Hello, FourViolas,

The Editing team is asking very experienced editors like you for your help with VisualEditor. The team has a list of top-priority problems, but they also want to hear about small problems. These problems may make editing less fun, take too much of your time, or be as annoying as a paper cut. The Editing team wants to hear about and try to fix these small things, too. 

You can share your thoughts by clicking this link. You may respond to this quick, simple, anonymous survey in your own language. If you take the survey, then you agree your responses may be used in accordance with these terms. This survey is powered by Qualtrics and their use of your information is governed by their privacy policy.

More information (including a translateable list of the questions) is posted on wiki at mw:VisualEditor/Survey 2015. If you have questions, or prefer to respond on-wiki, then please leave a message on the survey's talk page.

Unsubscribe from this list • Sign up for VisualEditor's multilingual newsletter • Translate the user guide

Thank you, Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 18:11, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
	thanks for showing me Wikipedia Peas345 (talk) 19:03, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

A cup of coffee for you!

Thanks for your kindness. Peas345 (talk) 11:44, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Thanks for editing! Read456 (talk) 12:25, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Civility Barnstar
	Thanks for helping me around Wikipedia Peas345 (talk) 19:57, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

I like your Wikipedia contribution Peas345 (talk) 19:58, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Four Violas, can you create a tutorialRead456 (talk) 20:35, 28 March 2015 (UTC) for me about editing Wikipedia?

A barnstar for you!

	The Surreal Barnstar
	Four Violas, I cannot thank you enough for editing Wikipedia Read456 (talk) 20:37, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Maths

I am not sure that you are interested in maths. Very few of your edits mention the subject. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.10.27.194 (talk) 13:17, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Math? I like math!Peas345 (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

    I like to honor you for showing me around Wikipedia

Peas345 (talk) 13:53, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Precious

good faith to an extreme
Thank you, "endlessly impressed" autodidactive dancing playing and climbing user believing in this project as a "public good" and practicing good faith to an extreme, for quality articles such as Graham technique and Mary Cannon, for reverting nonconstructive edits, "warming up for the big dance party" and hugging trees, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:43, 30 March 2015 (UTC)