User talk:ChildofMidnight

This user was a participant in the 2009 Great Wikipedia Dramaout, improving articles from July 18–22.

I will not now or ever remain silent in the face of attacks on Wikipedia's integrity, including the censorship of minority perspectives in violation of our core neutral point of view (WP:NPOV) policy, and the attempted intimidation and harassment of editors holding minority viewpoints. Some things are worth fighting for, and I will never kowtow to ignorance and bias or the thugs that advance them as a righteous cause.

"I would find it impossible to just sit back and watch the blatant injustice without doing something about it. I'd have reversed that block immediately and blocked the blocking admin for 24 hours, until he'd sobered up." -common sense (uncommon on Wikipedia)

Travesty in motion: Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Obama articles/Proposed decision. Wikipedia's arbcom is in the process of dishing out heavy punishments to good faith editors who have faced the wall of incivility and NPOV violating POV pushers camped out on the Obama articles. Despite many efforts to discuss the issue and present alternatives for resolving it, Wizardman and the other Arbcoms appear ready to reinforce and encourage the incivility, obstruction, wikilawyering, and harassment carried out by those calling themselves "defenders" and "patrollers" on these pages. This is a dark time for Wikipedia when bias is encouraged and the censors are rewarded for their efforts. If you're opposed to Arbcom spitting on our core policy of NPOV please contact them and let them know that punishing the good faith efforts of editors facing severe challenges in addressing this problem is the height of bad form and totally unacceptable.

Delete all content that I think is boring or that can be obtained from other sources. But keep both the articles that remain. {&nbsp} — One of Wikipedia's Wise Men

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• Read about the Kelapstick Bacon Challenge 2009 or get an early start on the 2010 Bacon Challenge coming up in December, 2009 as a giant Christmas present to all of Wikipedia that will be unwrapped March 1, 2010 for National Pig Day!

It was about time you had one of these

		The Surreal Barnstar
		For special merits in Dragon breeding.

Thanks

Thank you ever so much,have fun as well Secthayrabe (talk)

Putting this here for now since I can't edit my userpage at the moment. Maybe once Connolley sobers up?

References

The Dutch don't need no stinking references!

Iceland-South Korea relations

I have added some content here - more than enough to establish a deep and entirely notable relationship in my opinion. But being a modest and retiring sort of editor, I will let you take full credit when you post the article to mainspace. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:50, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Chile is notable only for Bernardo O'Higgins, copper, red wine and braised Patagonian lamb. Uruguay is notable for so much more. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:41, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

But it's true! That is what they call it. Although maybe the article has been infected by others in the CoM space. Aymatth2 (talk) 17:36, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

• I wanted photos of real warriors with horns on their heads but Wikimedia would not oblige. In my view, the article now gives in-depth coverage of all essential aspects of the relationship backed up by solid sources, and cannot be improved. Feel free to edit, but the last word must stay the same of course. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:02, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Taxation is the last thing anyone wants to hear about. If you check the Gylfason reference and search for "Korea", you will find the full quote: "By 1985, leaving Africa behind, Iceland had become South Korea." This is a profound observation. Remember, our audience is the high school student working on an assignment. Our duty is to present the essential aspects of this important subject in a neutral and unbiased but verifiable form, without irrelevant trivia. Aymatth2 (talk) 01:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Your action was quite unexpected. I am flummoxed. Where will it all lead to in the end? Confusion, conflict and botheration is my opinion. I will make sure to observe this article very closely indeed. I do not want any trouble that can be avoided. What a pickle. And I like both herring and cabbage variety. Aymatth2 (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know. I wasn't taking it seriously at all - just seeing it as pure parody of a desperate recovery attempt. If it stays in main space, I suppose it should be fixed up. That could be done but would make it a lot duller. Could be saved - they all can. But taxation treaties etc. would have to go back in, and some of the comparisons would have to be dropped. Fish would have to go, although I would miss Spaghetti with Smoked Salmon. Peik’ŏn has to stay, but might need some padding. I don't know. Aymatth2 (talk) 13:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Sanitized the article. But my heart was not in it. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:50, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• Yeah - very boring. No noodle-loving vikings sailing across the steppes of central Asia in search of pickles and electric guitars. Just unconvincing arguments about whale meat. But the good version would have quickly been put to death. Maybe should have left it user space. Aymatth2 (talk) 20:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Good solution - congratulations. Aymatth2 (talk) 00:05, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Person eating bacon. Enjoy.

Law _{type! snype?} 08:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

HA That's awesome.--kelapstick (talk) 21:19, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Are we sure this doesn't have something to with new math or fractional coloring? Food and sexuality? Hieroglyphics? Ancient Greek? Who wasn't laughing when low profile Law was involved in some excitement over a high profile block? Great stuff! :) I like the bacon part, but the guy seems bottom heavy... ChildofMidnight (talk) 21:25, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

LMAO ... priceless! I'm not sure, it could be a view from behind of a man bent over, but, since I don't see any Plumber's Crack, I'll assume that it is a "head and shoulders" image. (Ched watches to see if CoM heads to "personal grooming" articles to edit). New Math? ... please ... NOOOO! Law blocked someone? ... <* Ched whistles innocently on the way out *> — Ched :  ?  21:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Blocks and bacon. Both of which I've utilized quite efficiently, however not without incident. I think this emoticon, (Ω≈) "is to be puzzled over and studied and followed... forever." Law _{type! snype?} 22:26, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that is amazing! Drmies (talk) 04:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Paul David Wilson

When you get a few minutes (it will take more than a few) can you look at Paul David Wilson (the article not the person, well the person too if you are up to it), it is rather résuméish, (see the first line ("Paul David Wilson (born August 30, 1952) has, throughout his colorful and multi faceted life, proven himself to be exceptionally gifted as a songwriter, composer, conductor, producer, executive and human being.") and while I see some notability, it is probably longer than an article about him should be, or at least too promotional. It just got moved into mainspace after sitting in userspace for a while following a keep close at MfD. Anyway another twist to the story is there is a main editor of the article, User:Pauldavidwilson who is (I am willing to step out on a limb here without a checkuser) also know as User:Paul David Wilson. The second was mainly used as the userspace used to house the article before it's move, however I think he is only using the first user name for editing now. I notified him breifly about WP:COI, and there had been some notice at User talk:Paul David Wilson, not sure if he is taking heed or not though. Anyway I am busy this weekend with my son's birthday (and I don't do much editing on weekends anyway), and am off to Denver (actually Golden) on Monday for a week, maybe two, unlikely three, so I won't get a chance to do much editing methinks (although I may be around in the evenings depending on what is going around the hotel, I suspect nothing). Anyway can you take a look at it and see what you can improve? Cheers, and have a great weekend. --kelapstick (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you need me to take care of the wife :) and kids while you're away? I'll take a look at the article. Have a good trip. Don't fall in any shafts. Did you see my user:ChildofMidnight/Bacon economy article? The days of drilling for oil may soon be over! But I haven't solved the need for nickel and copper... yet. What would we do without penny candy. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:12, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I did see your bacon economy quite intriguing. If you are by the house, the beer is in the garage. Should stop by for the BBQ this Sunday, the boy turns two. No underground for me this week, it is all on paper (or computer), sitting in a consultant's office, slightly more hazardous than here, in that by the end of the week I may want to shoot myself...Funny you mention that about oil, I got an email from a friend today asking me about this forward he received that had a gross overstatement of the available oil in this area in Montan/North Dakota. They email was quoting something like 503 billion barrels available in the area, when the Proven reserves for the entire Unite States of the US is 21 billion, (at least from the agency they said they were quoting, which was not the USGS like this page is). Just goes to show, don't read everything you read on the internet. Wish me luck. Should be fun, if I have to go the following week I might check out a Rockies game. --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm ... word association time: WP:COI, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTMYSPACE - Wikibiz is over there >> and monster.com is << back that way. Doesn't appear to be deliberate attempt to do wrong though, perhaps a kindly worded message to the User talk:Paul David Wilson and User talk:Pauldavidwilson pages would be in order? — Ched :  ?  22:03, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree, although I think PDW has enough notability to pass a deletion discussion, so I thought a paring down of the article would help. If you could pass on some "advice" with regards to your concerns Ched that would be appreciated, sometimes I don't quite put it right. Cheers all. --kelapstick (talk) 22:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm ... OK, I'll give it shot. Let me think a bit about how to word it nicely, and find the right section links - then I'll drop a note to him. — Ched :  ?  22:34, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Much appreciated, thanks. --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Candy

Hey CoM. I know this is going back quite a while, back to when we first met at Stick candy. I recently ate at Cracker Barrel, and grabbed some stick candy for my grandkids. Do you need me to take a pic of them next to a tape measure to verify the length and width? — Ched :  ?  22:32, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Please read WP:OR. Ώ≈ --kelapstick (talk) 22:38, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

The latest battleground is Insadong. I love homemade photos of food products, as well as good faith OR. Let's see what you've get Ched. Make sure to focus. And get it close up. What flavors did they have?

The reason there were so many shaky cites put in that article was because I had this fear that drive by editors would add all sorts of flavors (the way architects are added to list of architects and groups are added to the space rock article) which is a pain to sort out as far as what's valid and what isn't. So I figured I'd cite it all since the wacky flavors are integral to the products unique character. Omega is not equal approximately equal to negative negative (postive?) Kelapstick? ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:46, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Omega is approximately equal to (negative negative) kelapstick. Not equal is ≠. What was that about new math?--kelapstick (talk) 22:49, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Don't know where I got the "does not equal" from. Maybe I better leave the higher math to you know who... :) New math? You missed the whole (and I mean entire, not whole number) fractional coloring discussion? We can sort out how many socks it takes to disrupt Wikipedia. And allocate the appropriate number of POV pushers to keep notable controversies and criticisms out of the Obama articles. And it might also be useful in determining how many admins it takes to screw in a light bulb. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:53, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

yep, missed that discussion. How many admins. does it take to screw in a light-bulb. Oh good heavens, I'm afraid to even ask. I suppose before we do the math on it though - we'll need x¹⁰ number of admins to establish the proper policy first. >:) (oh, wait, that's me now too .... scratch that) — Ched :  ?  23:51, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Here are a couple of illustrations of coloring with fractions. A pair of dots joined with a line can't share any colors. Got it?

Hey, I know just the person I could ask to explain it to me ... Jedi master GTBacchus! Ched :  ?  00:14, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

• GTB ... if you happen to read that ... I didn't say that! Honest! :-) — Ched :  ?  02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I got as far as figuring out that you have to count how many different colors there are. And I think if they are half colors then you divide by two. It has something to do with allocating resources or colors on a map where you don't want the same color to be contiguous with another area of the same color. But I mostly don't understand it and it doesn't seem to have much to do with bacon. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:25, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait but there are only five colors in the 6/2 example? Uh oh. Or is one color red and one orange? That would make six. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:29, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Seriously though

CoM, I don't know how much you've been following along with the Civility Poll, but one thing that's been rolling around in my mind finally found its way to something I'm considering posting to the page. I asked how the question would be taken here, and I think it's an important question to ask in regards to civility. Certainly some may consider it a pointed question relating to the Butcher group incident, but actually it goes further into history than that. I ran across some AN/I threads long ago (in wiki-time) regarding an editor who was working on some 10-string guitar article. What people put up with amazed me, and when another expert received preferential treatment (in my opinion), I was left wondering why we should accept this in an "open community". I'm not trying to dwell on the past CoM, but I would like to find a way to avoid future injustices. Didn't know if you'd be interested in following along or not. (and I'll set up a shoot on the stick candy in the next day or two - cotton candy, cinnamon, bubble-gum, clove, and maybe root-beer were the flavors I think) — Ched :  ?  02:15, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I voted in the poll. Isn't that enough? ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:18, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

CoM, I've never known you to simply do "enough". The day I see you stop going "full out", may be the day I need to call my CERT friends to bring up an AED. — Ched :  ?  03:12, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Isn't it something that in this day and age with all his nurses and doctors and drug dispensers, MJ didn't have an automated external defibrillator? Not just for himself, but all the staff and people around him. Such an easy and inexpensive lifesaver to have around. Should we start clearing out some essays and guidlines pages at MfD? ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK Medal

How did you get it?174.3.103.39 (talk) 02:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

I worked on a lot of new articles and someone gave it to me. Do you want one? I'm happy to help you work on some articles that would be suitable for DYKs. Do you have an account name? I have trouble keeping track of numbers with more than one digit. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:16, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks. I really appreciate it.Dave (talk) 04:09, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Fiep Westendorp

Ha, I'm sure you saw my edit summary. Sorry. Thanks anyway though! And thanks also for what you did on the talkpage there, the request for photos. Did you click the HEMA link? Yeah, she worked with a few other writers too, but the Schmidt-Westendorp collaboration is almost beyond iconic. I'm reading Pluk to Elisabeth, one chapter a night--she can't wait for us to get to the wolf, but we have a few weeks to go. (Recap: Pluk found a home, saved the cockroach Zaza from Mrs. Helderder's spray can, visited the Stampertjes and ate french fries in their apartment, went to the park with Aagje where she saved a squirrel, Duizeltje, and with his tow truck pulled the longest horse of the world out of a muddy canal. Oh, and he almost got kicked out of his new apartment in the Petteflet, but the Major prevented that. Such adventures!) Later, Drmies (talk) 04:53, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Sounds like a good story. Certainly consistent with the other fictional storytelling sources you like. My edit summary wasn't very good, but I was trying to suggest that the wording makes it seem that the person is notable for having collaborated with someone, rather than for the work produced in collaboration with someone. Perhaps it's too fine a point? Oh well. Have fun. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:03, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, that was precisely the thing. But I appreciate the help! Ω≈

Proposed merges for Food and Drink

Based on your recent participation in several Food and Drink related merge discussion, I would like to point out several open discussions that might interest you:

• Proposed merge of Jumbals to Jumble (cookie). Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Kerala porotta and Malabari paratha. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Maple spice cake to Spice cake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Patty melt to Cheeseburger. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Butterfly cake to Cupcake. Discuss here.
• Proposed merge of Majboos and Kabsa. Discuss here.

--Jeremy (blah blah) 05:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

The Surreal Barnstar

		The Surreal Barnstar
		ChildofMidnight, you're hereby awarded the Surreal Barnstar for your delightful and innovative thinking when editing Iceland-South Korea relations. You have brought me really a big laughter with an amusement for your creativity. Even though that approach could be wrongly accused of a practice of original research by some, well, I appreciate your avant garde sprite to the community. Caspian blue 21:11, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

:~) Aymatth2 (talk) 17:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

I suggest you tread lightly at this under-Arbcom-probation article and read through the talk page archives and discussing changes before making any changes to the article. The content which you removed has a consensus to be where it is. - ALLST✰R▼^echo _{wuz here} 22:06, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Allstarecho has been one of the most biased of editors. It's truly appauling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.18.130 (talk) 14:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

I wish

you would better redact the last comment regarding your hopeful ArbCom plan and capital punishment or the whole opinion[1]? That sounds reckless in the situation because you can be viewed as "enjoy the whole situation".--Caspian blue 00:06, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Casp when did you become so serious? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:10, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

How do you know whether capital punishment is an effective Arbcom remedy unless it's tried? It could go a long way in cutting down on drama. Although I suppose there is a counter argument that it would only increase the level of drama (at least for a short time...). ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:14, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Joking is not my specialty and I highly respect the admin.--Caspian blue 00:19, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I think you should tell him that. My reference to capital punishment isn't in regard to him at all and has no conscious relation to the mentions of the "T&P crowd". It's only a statement on my approach to resolving disputes. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:24, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Did you notice someone said something about a "Herring Mop Kid"? Could that have something to do with South Korea-Iceland relations? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:26, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I know what you meant by it.

Of course, that name calling is associated with his peeking into your sincere devotion to pickling herring and cabbage.--Caspian blue 17:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

RfC on merger of Bristol Indymedia with Independent Media Center

User:Simon Dodd has requested comment on the proposed merger. You are being informed as you participated in the recent AfD discussion. Discussion at Talk:Bristol Indymedia Jezhotwells (talk) 08:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

User rights

Per your question here. The answer is likely that you have not requested any additional rights. see: WP:PERM. However, in boldly reviewing your contributions, which exceed 20,000 - I believe that you can be trusted with a few additional tools that will improve your abilities to contribute to our project. I have added the following rights to your list:

1. Rollback. Please note that this should never be used in a content dispute, but only for blatant vandalism. Please read through: WP:ROLLBACK

File:Wikipedia-Autoreview.png

2. Autoreview. As you have contributed to over 1,000 NPP efforts, and created 100 articles, I believe you would find this tool useful in relieving others of reviewing some of your work. (although I do realize that your edits are reviewed by a great number of people, and in great detail). Please read through Wikipedia:Autoreviewer

Best of luck, and feel free to ask if you have any questions. ;-) — Ched :  ?  17:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

You are a madman. ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:28, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe that you just might be able to establish "consensus" for that. ;) — Ched :  ?  17:30, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

It's the end of the world as we know it.

• OH NO WHAT HAVE YOU DONE??? AAAARGHHHH! ROLLBACK FOR THIS TROUBLEMAKER!!! That's it, I'm going over to Conservapedia. Drmies (talk) 02:17, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
  • Never mind that last remark--after looking at this I take it back. What a bunch of ... ha, words fail me. Drmies (talk) 02:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Looks okay to me.  :) Did you think his close connections to corrupt convicted felons and known terrorists should have been made more prominent? Or were you unhappy with the neglect that the record deficits, massive unemployment increases despite huge government spending and borrowing and tax increases received? My favorite Obama quote so far, in all seriousness, is when he says that the plan to have the government take over the health care system isn't socialism. Let me know if you want the exact quote. He's slick, I'll give him that. But hopefully it will all work out like it did in 1994 right? Good times after responsible parties took over the legislative branch. ChildofMidnight (talk) 02:36, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmm I kind of missed the part that suggested the US was a democracy, and the president was elected in a fairly democratic way, without resort to Supreme Courts and all that. A national health care system is not socialist, unfortunately. Didn't Thatcher's England have the NHS already? Would you say that the Iron Lady was a socialist for not demolishing the NHS? Thanks; I accept your apology. The clincher is that the president is a Muslim cause he doesn't go to church very often. I never expected such a level of idiocy and psychosis there, but I guess I just don't listen to the radio often enough. Well, good times they were, but my experiment there is over. I'm sticking with Seed Swaps and BLTs. Drmies (talk) 02:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Haha, at an AfD the other day someone was making fun of me cause I was writing articles on the Claw Boys Claw (and you know you're guilty of that too, tweaking around and stuff) while they were curing cancer. So just to spite them I made Claw Boys Claw 3 in 1 and Crack My Nut. Ha, crack it if you can! So...I'll see you in Orange Beach, two weeks from now? Drmies (talk) 04:13, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

It's good you're going to be down there so you can check out some rentals for me. What kind of rates are there? I'd like to be able to walk to stuff and especially to be able to run from my apartment or house. A backyard would be excellent, but if it's on the beach that's okay too. Is there an airport type thing in Pensacola? How far is it from there? Is that the best place to fly into? How far are you from there? Maybe I'll stay with you for a few months just until I get a feel for the area. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

←Without getting too much into my own personal beliefs on political matters, I can appreciate CoMs view of the current presentation of American political viewpoints. I believe in a level playing field, and my perception is that there is often a "tilted" viewpoint in regards to many things here. I often cringe at some of the things that are said, and I truly wish that I could find a way to bring opposing sides to a mutual understanding and respect - even if they don't agree. I'm often in a difficult situation when 2 people that I admire and respect can not find a way to communicate.

CoM, I do honestly understand how strongly you feel, how offended you've felt, and how hurt you've been; but I really wish you would see that there are good and honest people on both sides of every issue. I watched, and even participated in (mildly), an effort to "reach across the isle" in a gesture of collaboration. I ask you now, PLEASE ... put down the tools of confrontation, and at least "look" at the tools of co-existence. We build the best bridges when we work together - please consider that. Your friend always, Ched. — Ched :  ?  03:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ched if you don't have anything funny or sarcastic to add to the conversation I will have to remove your comments as trolling. This is a civility free zone. And seriously, I wouldn't take anything Drmies says seriously. The guy has issues. But I'm going to try to get him on a better track once I'm down there. He may just need some guidance and straight talk. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:48, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

See comment on Trinity below, just so you know what you're getting into. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Electro-kinetic road ramp

Thanks for fixing Electro-kinetic road ramp. I thought I had used copy and paste to create the title, but I guess perhaps I hadn't. Thanks for helping out. Grundle2600 (talk) 07:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Electro-kinetic road ramp

Thanks for fixing Electro-kinetic road ramp. I thought I had used copy and paste to create the title, but I guess perhaps I hadn't. Thanks for helping out. Grundle2600 (talk) 07:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the duplicate. It stalled the first time, and I thought it hadn't gone through. Grundle2600 (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No worries Grundle. Thanks for creating another interesting article. I hope you're having a great summer. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been having fun reading this article and others at this liberal parody of conservapedia. You have a fun summer too! Grundle2600 (talk) 16:34, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, that's good stuff. Very funny and well done. I hope Drmies sees it. I'm sure he will also enjoy it. I think the weirdest thing about the Conservapedia article is that it focuses so heavily on the conspiracies and trivialities instead of the big issues. Interesting. It's a crazy world. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 16:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I created my own account there. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:52, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Grundle I'm glad the fly swatting aritcle lives on. It's terrific. Did you see my user:ChildofMidnight/Bacon economy article? I meant to let you know that you helped inspire it! ChildofMidnight (talk) 04:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I love your article, and I'm glad I helped inspire it! Grundle2600 (talk) 02:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Request for clarification

Please, got to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka (talk) 14:43, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

RE: Bacon

Alrighty then. Looking forward to it. Mmmm, bacon... weburiedoursecretsinthegarden 19:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Cattle

Would you be so kind as to help us out over here? Thanks. Law _{type! snype?} 04:49, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

In reviewing the situation, it appears that you've used rollback incorrectly. While I understand your reasons to remove the post you removed, rollback is not intended to be used in this manner. You can use a manual method of removal, or even a twinkle "AGF" link to revert items, but "rollback" has implications in regards to the WP database which are important. Please do not use the rollback feature unless it is clearly vandalism. Mistakes happen, but if they continue, then I would be forced to remove that button - and I'd rather not do that. Please be careful. — Ched :  ?  05:21, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I have rollback any more. But I'll go check. I don't see all the "rollback" button things like I'm in some kind of Walmart nightmare. So I think the world is safe. Thank goodness you know who was on top of it. I haven't read the comment I accidentally removed, but I'm sure it was worthwhile. I would apologize, but I can't be bothered. :) No it's good you put it back there. I sometimes mark where I'm up to in my watchlist by clicking a bunch of stuff, so I must have accidentally clicked a rollback button. Powerful stuff! I haven't done any rollbacking at all and haven't read up on how it works yet (although I guess I know now...) so any other rollbacks I did were also in error.

Is there a tool that can clone me? And also something to make the douche bags and trolls disappear? Like a Robocop type bot or automated tool? Or something that makes my Wikipedia experience more like Tron? Except not personally life threatening. Maybe like pong would be better. Or any other arcade game with infinite quarters. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:53, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't take anything away from you. You still have rollback. CoM, I like you - I like you a lot; but, STOP referring to other editors in a derogatory manner. Just because you don't agree with someone does not make them any less of human being than you. — Ched :  ?  06:56, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I didn't refer to anyone in a derogatory manner. You are mistaken. I can't help it if you happen to associate certain editors with the words I used, but I made no such connection to any editor real or imagined, no matter how douchey or trollific the behavior of some editors that may come to mind. Certainly there are trolls and douchebags in existence, even here on Wikipedia, and I don't think I should have to pretend that there aren't. I think it's unreasonable to say that I'm not allowed to ask for a tool that would eliminate them. My request is in the very goodestest of faith, and is consistent with others seeking a troll-be-gone tonic for what ails Wikipedia. I fully support the development of some sort of superbot that will eliminate the problem. If that's not possible then maybe a Dirty Harry type figure would do the trick. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Fine... whatever. — Ched :  ?  07:30, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh and Chedsky, I removed your comment on the Cattle talk page. I felt it was instigated by my accidental rollback. If you still want it there feel free to put it back. But I exercised bold judgment in trying to put things back to the way they were before I tripped up. With great powers come great responsibility. ChildofMidnight (talk) 07:33, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, CoM, I restored Ched's comment because 1) that comment is not yours 2) the comment is not about you 3) the comment has no incivility 4) the comment is just to suggest people in the discussion to get back to whatever main point 5) "no instigation on your accidental roll back case. He can comment whatever he wants there. I hope you do not mind my revert. I do not want you to lose your close friend just for any possible misunderstanding between two. Online discussion is tricky as you know.--Caspian blue 07:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

No worries Casp. If you understand the history and think it's a helpful comment that's fine with me. There was no ill intent on my part in removing it. I was just trying to clean up a bit of a mess (rather minor really, but still) that I had a part in making.

I haven't been doing much shopping of late. Trying to get rid of stuff before the big move to Doc's place. So it may be a while before I can look into the root issue. Or maybe we'll never know! ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:05, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

@Casp - did you read the comment on the talk page and the discussion above it? The users are using the talk page for exactly what it was intended for. I'm going to suggest the comment is removed. Law _{type! snype?} 08:10, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I read the half of the discussion. Even though you guys think that Ched's comment is a bit off, removing his comments in good faith without permission and with the edit summary would be not pleasant for him. I don't know what is Doc's place (doctor's office?)--Caspian blue 08:19, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

MMMMmmmmmmmmmmmoooooooooooooooooo. (How do cows talk in Korean?). ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

The "moo" sound in Korean refers to "white radish". ;) Anyway, "um-me~" is the moooo sound in Korean.--Caspian blue 08:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Ched's comment has been removed (with his gracious permission) and the cattle-based editors may continue their discussion on cattle sex. Law _{type! snype?} 08:39, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Cool. I guess I should have just asked him. I'm a bit tired and it seemed like a good idea at the time. I figured he was asleep and wouldn't mind. Oh well. Is it really about cattle sex? I wrote a great article about a cattle sale once. Snuck in some juicy bits about the tool box and everything. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

<outdent> @Casp Isn't that very similar to the word for one of the tastes? Umo, ume, umi or something like that? Let's get this conversation back on track with the important stuff that matters! Nite all. I'll try to do some big time rollbacking tomorrow so we can really see how it works... ChildofMidnight (talk) 08:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Good night, CoM.--Caspian blue 09:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Umami, a loanword from Japanese, is one of the basic tastes. In Japanese, mu means nothing. Jonathunder (talk) 15:08, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

If I might butt in: "Ume" (sounds like "moo" in Korean) is "plum" in Japanese. Perhaps Korean cows hunger for Japanese plums? I don't remember the Japanese "moo"... seems like it's "Mo" (sounding like "Moe" from the Three Stooges)... What cultural significance that has, I won't even guess... Dekkappai (talk) 16:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Great. Thanks all for the clarifications. Ume is interesting too. I couldn't figure out why they were selling fresh ume for some outrageous price at my Korean store. Especially since the owner said there was no great thing to do with the fresh fruits but just to use them to make plum wine, and I'm not a big fan of plum wine. I've never understood umami either. I think it's bogus. :) And I think UFC (some sort of American bloodsport) is bogus too. But I'm getting hungry now. Oh, and when I first discovered that animals make different noises in different languages I was astounded, and I still am. Fascinating. Well, baaaaaaaaaah to all you sheeple. Dare to be different! :) Consensus and civility be damned! Let The Three Stooges be an inspiration for us all. And Charlie Chaplin too. And Will Ferrell. And Dennis Leary. And of course Doc's fav, Dennis Miller. Truth and justice are no laughing matter. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:07, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, not to get too partisan, but we're Keaton people in my household. The U.S. has yet to produce a finer writer-actor-director-stuntman in our humble estimation. Dekkappai (talk) 18:14, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Schooling in Alabama

How about this? Drmies (talk) 14:42, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Does it remind you of your time in Reformatory school? ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:59, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Happy Bastille Day!

Dear fellow Wikipedian, I just want to wish you a Happy Bastille Day, whether you are French, Republican or not!  :) Happy Editing! Sincerely, --A Nobody^{My talk} 17:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks ver much Nobody. I'm storming the parapets. I saw a bit of fireworks last night while I was doing my laundry. So celebration is all around. Let freedom reign. ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:01, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

You're welcome! Best-ille :), --A Nobody^{My talk} 18:24, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Bacon

How's about this for an important article to add to User:ChildofMidnight/Bacon Challenge 2010#Bacon-related - Outline of bacon? There are lots of topics covered in WP:WPOOK (which I'm not a member of) – shouldn't bacon be one of them? --Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 18:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't know much about outlines on Wikipedia although I saw some issue arise over them recently, but it sounds like a great idea and has my full support. I also think there should be a bacon portal. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 18:27, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment!

Glad I could help. hgilbert (talk) 21:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

...

...do you really want Claw Boys Claw 3 in 1 deleted or merged? Drmies (talk) 01:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

• BTW, you should really have another look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Londonstani. I don't know how to say this in a politically correct enough sort of way, but you were wrong. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 02:45, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

That's an interesting take Doc. But considering the first two votes were to delete at which point I came in with a life preserving "Merge with Gautam Malkani, the author. Enough notability (substantial coverage in reliable source) for book and author to warrant including together," your preference for a stand-alone is a minor difference and one that I'm not convinced is superior. But I think it's good that you followed my lead in realizing that there was enough notability to warrant preserving the content. As long as you stick with me you're not likely to go too far off course. ChildofMidnight (talk) 03:32, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

So--you were only half wrong? I accept your apology. Much obliged! (And thanks for the tweaks. I promise I won't roll 'em back until tomorrow.) Drmies (talk) 05:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I accept both of your apologies (and those of the millions of others who haven't offered one)—cheers! Bongomatic 09:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I want to apologize for not being able to better guide Drmies to more useful pursuits than expanding that blob of an article. The only interesting part of it is the assertion that there is something called the "Londonstani" effect, something that isn't even explained in the article so we don't know what that even means. As far as you go Bongo, shouldn't you be deleting something? There are thousands of article just waiting to be put out of their misery. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, it is explained now. So there. And that effect, you may find it interesting, but it doesn't apply to you--you weren't highly touted. Now, can you get back to work? I'm sure there's a forgotten Dutch architect or a demolished 1950s diner which the world simply HAS to know about. Drmies (talk) 16:50, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

Regarding your reply to Vassyana: Why are you angry at ArbCom? Ice Cold Beer is not a member of ArbCom. Moreover, it is up to administrators in general topolice the acts of other administrators. I can understand why you feel there is some failure in the system, but I do not understand why you direct your anger at ArbCom when the failure seems to lie directly with Ice Cold Beer and a handful of other admins, none of whom are on ArbCom.

I mention this for tactical reasons too - it is still quite possible that ArbCom will be open to hearing a case against ICB or others you consider to be disruptive editors. My guess is that ArbCom will say this is not their jurisdiction and should be settlesat AN/I. That would be a victory for the banned users. As long as this is possibl, what, practically, is gained from attacking ArbCom? Slrubenstein | Talk 10:54, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

When an admin makes a ban or a block it shouldn't take weeks to get it reviewed. Shuffling people around telling them they are in the wrong queue wherever they go is uncivil and rude. Arbcom needs to shape up. It's about more than this one case. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

This article has long since been poisoned, and there are too many ego's involved now that can't allow it to progress properly. Fresh approach - let's request that the article be officially renamed as "History of the Ancient Egyptian race controversy", and then edit it further as such. Once that is done we can create a separate article/s to deal with other aspects that are ommited here, or build that content into other existing articles if more appropriate. What do you think? Wdford (talk) 19:05, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the focus needs to be on reversing the abusive bannings and the disruption caused by Dbachmann and administrators willing to side with him in order to push a particular point of view. I'm confident that once those issues are resolved, the editors working in good faith on the article can sort out their differences and move forward (as they have in the past). Trying to accomplish dramatic changes to the article while the administrative issues and the bans are still in place will be unhelpful and counterproductive. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It is not up to ArbCom to review this block. You grant ArbCom powers that it does not have. It is up to the community of other admins to support or revoke the block. ArbCom has nothing to do with this and you're looking to ArbCom is tantamount to your giving ArbCom powers that belong to the community. Slrubenstein | Talk 20:25, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

The clear consensus at ANI was that as the remedy related to an Arbcom decision, Arbcom would have to make a determination on whether this application of sanction is appropriate. Admins refusing to deal with matters where Arbcom is involved is often a problem. Arbcom could direct the issue back to the community, but so far they've just dithered and bitched about where the issues should be taken up, disruptive activity that has wasted the time and energy of all the involved parties. ChildofMidnight (talk) 20:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

You just have lazy admins. You need an admin to say, "FILE a complaint at ArbCom, or lets deal with it ouselves, but there is no middle gound. Slrubenstein | Talk 23:35, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Please give the link to where exactly at AN/I it says that. Slrubenstein | Talk

I don't think I was the only one, but I can affirm that I said they should appeal the block at WP:AE. LadyofShalott 23:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

In hot sizzling summer

I have come to apologize for my overreaction to you yesterday. The passage "delicate man" is a parody of Law's comment on Ched's personality, so I joked with it, but it conveyed as a different and odd meaning, so I was upset at it. I'm okay for you to call me a nick name other than Casp. (Caspi would be perfectly fine). I tend to not go easy in this hot and sizzling summer, so I'm reducing my activity on writing articles during the season...You can find me working on FPC or other image areas that do not require reading texts, reviewing nice images is fun.--Caspian blue 19:46, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Caspian blue, you've been an extraordinarily helpful editor and a very good friend to me. I very much appreciate your integrity and your good humor. There is a lot of craziness here on Wikipedia, and there are times when it gets to all of us with its ups and downs. I know I make mistakes sometimes, but I hope you'll overlook them and keep in mind that I'm just trying make Wikipedia a little more complete and informative, and have a good time doing it. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:52, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout

May I ask whose bright idea this was?--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 00:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Jayron32 I think. I don't know if you're being sarcastic or serious (this page tends to be fairly sarcastic) but I think it's a fabulous idea. Are you in? ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:00, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Just stalking here. The idea was actually User:F203's, who raised the idea at WP:ANI. I just took his idea and ran with it. Based on his idea, I created the project. Invite anyone you can. It starts in 2 days! --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 01:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Well you know, I've created no articles at all this month and this could be a good time to clear the WebHamster incident from memory. It should never have happened and hopefully, if I took a break from helping out at ANI, I would have a good excuse to make some great article developments. I read a comment the other day saying that if everyone spent time resolving dramas at AN/I the encyclopedia would look the same now as it did in 2005. --^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 01:09, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sign up! Then we can razz you if you give in to the inescapable magnetism of drama!!! ChildofMidnight (talk) 01:10, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hey Child. Imagine if you know who signed up.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 01:26, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

• and it can't come any too soon either. ;) — Ched :  ?  17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Bacon portal

Sorry for the late reply to #Bacon, but I was busy for the most part yesterday, then I got caught up in a talk page thread this morning, then I spent the entire afternoon reading up on the deletion policy. What sort of contents do you think would go well in a bacon portal? --Dylan620 (contribs, logs) 01:07, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

done ...

... per your request on my talk page here, I've "rolledback" your rights ... sorry, I couldn't resist the pun. ;-) Cheerio. — Ched :  ?  17:51, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Ched! It's been interesting. :) ChildofMidnight (talk) 17:52, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for creating America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. I proposed a few categories and redirects on the article's talk page - no drama - nothing controversial! Have fun! Grundle2600 (talk) 19:12, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Everything is controversial.

I posted to you above somewhere about my bacon economy article that's under construction. ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

What I meant was that my proposed edits (categories and redirects) to the health care bill article were not controversial. I saw your comment on your bacon article, and responded to it. It's in the Electro-kinetic road ramp section. Grundle2600 (talk) 19:36, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I understood what you meant, and I stand by my statement that everything is controversial. Thanks for the reply on the BE article. It needs some work. But part of the concept was to mimic the:

Hydrogen economy

Lithium economy

Methanol economy

Liquid nitrogen economy

Vegetable oil economy

Zinc economy articles.

Anyway, it needs a bit more sourcing to establish notability. ;) ChildofMidnight (talk) 19:49, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I was very well aware that it was a satire of those kinds of articles. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/Log has a list of articles that people started during the dramaout. Although the dramaout has not officially started, given that you started this article in response to my request on the dramaout page, I think it would be OK if you added it to the list, if you wanted to. I started the dramaout early, and I added Madison Keyes to the list. Grundle2600 (talk) 20:53, 16 July 2009 (UTC) That was fast! Grundle2600 (talk) 20:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Wal-Mart (disambiguation) at DR

Just letting you know that the discussion for Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wal-Mart (disambiguation) (3rd nomination) has been listed for deletion review at Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2009 July 15. You may be interested in commenting. Tatterfly (talk) 22:15, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you...

...for all the times we've shared. It's been great but I'll be lucky to be around for another 24 hours. I really, really, really want to stay at Wikipedia, but the WebHamster incident has gone way too far. Yes, the situation has always been between about WebHamster and Noloop but I think my involvement in the situation has pissed a few people off too. I thought I would put an end to a problem by warning WebHamster for his actions, but it only made things worse. After leaving a nasty message on my talk page, I thought a civility message would set him straight but it only allowed this mess to carry-on. I left a message saying that although I didn't fully agree with his actions, I would forgive him and would try to "leave him alone" as he wanted. I still don't understand why he still responded in the same way because I left him alone and carried on as though it had never happened. Yes, Noloop has been dragging this on for too long, but my failed attempts at resolving their conflict backfired into this explosion. With the exception of a thank you note for reverting vandalism to my userpage, I have not edited his page since and I have not edited Malleus' talk page either. And apart from endorsing Abce2's comment at the RfC I've have completely let it be. I have not certified the RfC.

But I think some people are somewhat pissed off with me, even if they don't say it, and are more pissed off with the other two editors who always have been more involved than myself. For this reason this could be my last day on Wikipedia. I want to stay more than anything else, but not if it means pissing people off. I just wanted to thank you for the times we have shared over the past few months and say that if I'm no longer here at the end of the day....goodbye CoM.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 22:41, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Sky I'm unsure if any of this has to with my expression of my opinions on that situation or not, but speaking for myself I don't have any concern over the course of action you've chosen. You're certainly not alone in being unhappy with the aggressive wording used by that editor on his talk page. I would encourage you not to certify the RfC, but I'm only in charge of my own choices and I try to be respectful of the decisions made by others as long as they're consistent with policies, basic good sense and morality. Sometimes I agree with other editors and sometimes I disagree. Even when I'm unhappy about something I try not to hold any grudges. As long as decisions are made in good faith and with respect, I don't see that there should be a problem. I'm not sure why you are worked up over this particular incident (it seems relatively minor to me), but you're always encrouaged to take a break if you need one. Wikipedia is a confusing and intriguing world all its own. There is a lot of good that goes on here, a lot of interesting discussion and process, and an awful lot of nonsense. Cheers. ChildofMidnight (talk) 22:58, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Seems like a very small storm in a rather small teacup to me as well. Noloop has carried this minor spat way too far, and (s)he may come to regret that, but I dont see that it reflects on you Sky Attacker. Live and let live say I. --Malleus Fatuorum 23:16, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

BTW, I just noticed that you quoted me at the top of this page. :lol: --Malleus Fatuorum 23:17, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

It actually has more to do with Drmies saying "Not to mention, you were told to fuck off, right?". I don't know in what tone his/her reply was supposed to be in but I got worked up because it sounded as though, even my ally editors that I trusted the most were pissed off with me and wanted me to "fuck off" as well.

You are right, this is a minor incident that is almost entirely WebHamster vs. Noloop. Maybe I'm just overreacting right now, but I'm worked up because I never intended to piss off anybody. Hopefully, I haven't.--^{The Legendary}_{Sky Attacker} 23:22, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I wasn't sure what he meant, but I took it as a comment on the thread(s) where that phrase was the center of attention. AGF and all, seemed like it could be a funny joke to me. Maybe you should ask him to clarify. If it turns out he was being serious, it still wouldn't be that big of a deal. The guy is Dutch and a communist after all. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

A final word to the wise. If you do anything worthwhile around here Sky then you will upset someone. Just the way it is. Doesn't matter though unless you have aspirations to pass an RfA, in which case you're better off ignoring articles altogether, and focusing your attention on the drama pits instead. --Malleus Fatuorum 00:04, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Sky Attacker, please don't leave! Just because you are feeling upset over an incident doesn't mean you should leave. Heck, I think that if a wikipedia editor has never stirred up at least some trouble, they are being too timid and uncreative in their edits. I was going to suggest that you join us at Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout, but I see you already signed up for it. The worst thing in the world is to give up hope. If you feel that you are having trouble with a certain area of wikipedia, there are plenty of other areas where you may be happier. Please stay! Grundle2600 (talk) 23:34, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA

I'm way ahead of ya. :) –Juliancolton | ^Talk 22:43, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

It's good advice. Your last post on the Giano AN/I thread seemed to be designed to stir it up and keep it going. I hope no one takes the bait. Auntie E (talk) 05:53, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

If a blocking admin is the one to unblock it saves a lot of drama. As the drama continued long after I went to sleep, it seems to me the problem lies with the admin's refusal to act prudently and according to consensus, instead calling for someone to overturn his judgment if they see fit. HOw unhelpful! Finding fault with the editor calling repeatedly for prudent action to end the drama seems a bit out of line. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:45, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Food articles

I thought you might be interested in reading these:

Boston Molasses Disaster

London Beer Flood

Grundle2600 (talk) 00:48, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Matt Sanchez

Hello, I want to thank you for sticking to standards on the Matt Sanchez article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.163.18.130 (talk) 14:43, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

If anyone watching my page wants to help fix the article so it's less of a smear job and so the subject of the article gets to speak for himself instead of just being attacked please do so. I'm outnumbered by POV pushers who hold our BLP policies and guidelines in disdain. ChildofMidnight (talk) 15:47, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

HRS

Lead looks good! Thanks for the bold tweak. -- Samir 16:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Looked it over... the wording is definitely correct, and conveys things in a simpler way. Thanks man! Hope this gets through FAC. Take care -- Samir 17:15, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

WP:NODRAMA reminder

Thanks for signing up for the Great Wikipedia Dramaout. Wikipedia stands to benefit from the improvements in the article space as a result of this campaign. This is a double reminder. First, the campaign begins on July 18, 2009 at 00:00 (UTC). Second, please remember to log any articles you have worked on during the campaign at Wikipedia:The Great Wikipedia Dramaout/Log. Thanks again for your participation! --Jayron32.talk.say no to drama 21:16, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:America’s Affordable Health Choices Act

Hi. Please see Talk:America’s Affordable Health Choices Act. Thanks. Grundle2600 (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

DYK

Did you know that ArbCom has formed a new council to devise new forms of Wikipedia governance(Wikipedia:Advisory Council on Project Development)? I thought you might be interested in looking over who has been made a member of this council. They were not selected through any kind of transparent process. I have strong doubts about at least one of them, based on this comment, which I believe would be of interest to you. You and I know Wikipedia has problems that need to be addressed. Is a council with this member going to address them? Slrubenstein | Talk 10:35, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

this provides more context and discussion of the issue at hand. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:49, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the message. I'm engaged in the no drama days 2009 campaign, so I'm focused on article stuff for the time being. But I think a think tank type committee to consider reforms seems like a reasonable idea. I understand the concerns about how it is formed and who is included on it, but I hope these issues can be worked out. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:01, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

The Hut

Did you find any mention of the Hof's Hut that used to be near John Wayne airport. I actually met John Wayne, when I was 1.5 years old, at that location. According to family legend, he called me a 'little buckaroo' and patted me on the head. Law _{type! snype?} 23:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks like that one may have gotten gobbled up in an office tower project discussed here in this 1998 article [2]. But there is a statue of J.W. at the airport, no doubt in commemoration of your meeting with him buckaroo. Go get 'em. ChildofMidnight (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

I think it is still there. Yeah, I was a huge influence on that statue, as well as his progressive views in an interview for Playboy. Haha. Law _{type! snype?} 00:02, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm afraid it's not on their website whipper snapper [3]. But it might have been turned into a Lucille's smokehouse. Good ole fashioned beer, busty waitresses and BBQ are in young man. Pull up a stool. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:05, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

On second thought, I don't see a Lucille's there either [4]. But if you're ever up in this neck of the woods we'll hit the one here, or we can do up some Pho, alrighty partner? ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:07, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

What is your neck of the woods? I'll do pho over Hof's bro. Law _{type! snype?} 00:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

South Bay, Los Angeles. Home of many wealthy beachgoers, a stop on the AVP tour and home field for my flag football team on Hermosa Beach. ChildofMidnight (talk) 00:20, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Courtesy note

This is a courtesy note to inform you that the set of five recent Ancient Egyptian race controversy topic bans by Ice Cold Beer (talk · contribs) has been raised at arbitration enforcement for review: Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Ancient Egyptian race controversy ban review. I am informing you because you are an involved party or commented at the arbitration clarification request. If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to leave me a talk page message. --Vassyana (talk) 00:55, 19 July 2009 (UTC)