:::Nope, I directed you to the talk page of Macedonians (ethnic group). If you disagree, you should start a new section at AM. Britannica is a tertiary source in case you forget, btw. I couldn't give a toss about the self-identification of prominent Vinozhito members, though based on what I've read (ie the wild changes in their self-identification) I removed their names and added a See Also. It was about everything else, actually. Now be so kind as to start a section. Oh, and add the Rainbow party members back in if you feel sooo inclined. Obviously you reverted, 4-5 times. [[User:3rdAlcove|3rdAlcove]] ([[User talk:3rdAlcove|talk]]) 00:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Nope, I directed you to the talk page of Macedonians (ethnic group). If you disagree, you should start a new section at AM. Britannica is a tertiary source in case you forget, btw. I couldn't give a toss about the self-identification of prominent Vinozhito members, though based on what I've read (ie the wild changes in their self-identification) I removed their names and added a See Also. It was about everything else, actually. Now be so kind as to start a section. Oh, and add the Rainbow party members back in if you feel sooo inclined. Obviously you reverted, 4-5 times. [[User:3rdAlcove|3rdAlcove]] ([[User talk:3rdAlcove|talk]]) 00:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::You don't get the message, do you? What do you mean "based on what I've read" ??? What have you read???????? You are obviously mis-using Wikipedia guidelines. Now look, these people are Macedonians, and Britannica is an encyclopedia. If you have a problem, then start a discussion in their own respective talk pages. [[User:Polibiush|Polibiush]] ([[User talk:Polibiush|talk]]) 00:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
Note: If you leave a message here I will most often respond here
Panathinaikos FC
Well can you please make it clear to the user Karagounis that wiki is about facts and not personal preferences.He keeps reverting the article in order not to include Nikopolidis and Konstantinou in the notable past players only because of his sentiment towards them when they moved to Olympiakos team a couple of years ago.
They keep adding also a 1911 championship when the Greek FA was established in mid-20ies and noone recognized the title.I don't really want to be involved in a constant revert war to state the obvious.Maybe you can explain him.Eagle of Pontus
OK understood.To tell you the truth i didn't know that there was actually a 3 times revert rule,as i am thinking it, it makes sense.Thanks for the advice. Eagle of Pontus
Ante Pavelic
Please, do not contribute to the edit war here. You are an administrator - aren't you??? I verified the context and saw it well-referenced and accurate.
Hi There
I have wanted to smile at you for a long time
Why Wiki Why (talk) has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Cheers, and Happy editing! Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.
You banned the Greeks,because they think it is not fair,to use the term Republic of Macedonia,cause is not recognized from the united nations...You use fascists methods to spread F.Y.R.O.M S PROPAGANDA ON INTERNET....i will find the way to report you to other administrators...behaviours like yours are a shame for wikipedia,you are insulting all of us....This country has the name F.Y.R.O.M.official name not Macedonia or Republic of Macedonia...so be wise and change the name yourself..your actions are offensive and are giving power to hate and racism...i hope you will understand finally..
A Tale of Two Cities
Hello,
You edited the A Tale of Two Cities Wikipedia entry in March by revealing the ending of the book in the first paragraph of the introduction of the entry, where no spoilers are meant to appear. I was casually reading only the introduction entry, taking care not to read any further, 3/4 of the way through the book, when the ending was ruined for me by you. I would have preferred that you had left the intentional mistake there, inaccurate though it was. I hope you're pleased with yourself.
Josh Burkart
Davis, CA, US
Unnecessary Comment
Man, what is your problem? All I did was leave a comment on a discussion page providing information about something that is inaccessible to most users, and your response is to go and leave a jerky comment on my talk page.
Advice
I advice you regarding violation of user:DIREKTOR for
this restriction. Always DIREKTOR persists in several edit wars pushing his POV statements. Articles involved:
You can control history of these articles for evidence! Regards and best wishes. Nemo, 1 May 2008
splitting- Slavic dialects of Greece
Hi, would it be alright if i was to split the page Slavic dialects of Greece? or should their still be further discussion? It would make more sense if it were to be split?? Any comments?P m kocovski (talk) 00:46, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I've already given my comments on the talk page; I'm personally not convinced a split is a good idea, and I don't see anybody else besides you advocating it. My personal impression is there's rather a consensus against the split. Fut.Perf.☼ 08:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well alright for now but i will bring it up again but later.But the article needs serious work. I have worked on it so far but will continue to do so. Are my contributions alrite? P m kocovski (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi, I was just wondering would it be possible to post this image onto wikipedia here??? Or am i not able to. I just wanted to confirm. IF not would i be able to make a recreation to put onto this page - Geographical distribution of the Macedonian Language???
That map is copyrighted and replaceable, so no, you can't use it. A re-drawn map of your own citing that one as a source would be okay though. Fut.Perf.☼ 06:29, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Alright if that is ok i will create one. As per the discussion.P m kocovski (talk) 06:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I created this map File:Macedonianlanguagespeakers.svg but the texts seems a bit off. Would you be able to help me? Also should i tone the colours down a bit. If you like i can send you the original uncoloured version?? Please get back to me. P m kocovski (talk) 10:35, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
reconcile with what what i stated 7 hours before??:
i state here that the members of any agenda driven group exposed should suffer the consequences even when other agenda driven groups escape exposure. that goes even if the pro palestinian/anti israeli group is never found. i also state that that is an existential flaw in the wiki model because the presumption of neutrality cannot be judged from within, an essential condition of wiki world. i do not believe in god thus i do not believe in perfect knowledge. Davidg (talk) 00:33, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
did you act in ignorance or were you caught up in 'group think'?
Davidg (talk) 03:43, 5 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
you were called upon to produce evidence by one Rlevse supporting your assertion of 'meatpuppetry'. will you be doing that soon or will you permit the ban to hold until for its full duration?Davidg (talk) 07:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Socks
Since Noonien Soong is a sock, is it okay if I undo his edit on South Slavs, even though it would technically break 3RR? BalkanFever 13:45, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Lemme see. I guess better not, to be on the safe side. Fut.Perf.☼ 13:54, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've an impression, which may be false, that he tries to impose himself as a "admin" on the majority of Macedonian-related articles.
Also, when I try to communicate with him in a normal way, he often responds with a certain dose of cynicism and mild personal attacks. So I couldnt reach any concensus with him. Though I dont want to go into paranoical accusations, I must honestly admit that his unfriendly tone reminds me of one previously banned Bulgarian editor.
He also unilaterally removed some templates from many Macedonian music articles, without making proper replacements for all of them in advance, which I see as a vandalizm.
And one of the hottest issues is this already-discussed, but still unsolved problem: On Wikipedia, most of the English musicians are listed as born in England, while the UK is not mentioned at all. Examples: John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Ringo Starr, Mick Jagger, Robbie Williams etc. England is not an independent country but a sub-national entity of the UK, but nevertheless all of these artists are described on Wikipedia as English and not British. If thats so, I think that the ethnic Macedonians have every right to list their artists born during the ex-Yugoslav period as born in Socialist Republic of Macedonia, although it was a Yugoslav sub-national entity and not an independent country. When I tried to put that in Milcho Manchevski article, I was reverted by the user in question, who insists on keeping SFR Yugoslaviaonly without mentioning SR Macedonia. I assume, though I may be wrong, that there is a political motivation behind his move. Personaly, I dont have issues with Yugoslavia, oncontrary, Im sort of "specialized" in ex-YU music articles. But let me point out to: Mikhail Gorbachev and Alexander Lukashenko articles. Both of their infoboxes include the independent country the USSR but also the sub-national entities: the Russian SFSR and Byelorussian SSR respectively. Moreover, the Viktor Yushchenko article has only the Ukrainian SSR without the USSR. Thats why I insist that the ethnic Macedonan celebrities articles can have this too. There must be some standard for everyone, I fail to see why Macedonian celebrities should be discriminated. Thank you very much for your kind attention and intervention --Dzole (talk) 14:06, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
15:42, 15 April 2008 (UTC) Signed as Köbra (same user as Kobra85): Don't be so bloody ignorant, I reverted the article three times to rid it of your god-forsaken bullshit. If I had reverted it a fourth time, which I have not, then I would have broken the "three-revert rule"... Christ Almighty!(end of quote)--Dzole (talk) 16:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How typical, eh Future? That editors like this guy would come to you to complain. I reckon my statement about people bitching to admins isn't a fib after all. KöbraKönverse 16:34, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the complaint. Already several users complaint about Köbra85's behavior. You know that I tolerated him several times, but this time I complained too. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 13:05, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Future, if you see the history, you will notice that I did not brake the 3RR. I do not have problems with anyone. I just write informative articles. If some paragraph is POV, ok we will rewrite it, no problem, but please tell Kobra not to erase 80% of the article that is backed with references and photos. You know my history, you know that I behave civilly and have normal discussions. Please. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 14:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You're kidding, of course
This is plain crazy. First you merge Macedonians (Greek) within Macedonia (Greece), then you say that ...the rationale for the pic doesn't apply? What on earth are you talking about? The headline perfectly highlights the strong regional identity of the Greek Macedonians, which is the subject of the article you merged. So, either {{main}} it out again, or back off. NikoSilver 21:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry Niko, I'm not kidding. Fair use needs to be minimal. That usually means not more than one usage of an image, in one article. It's used in Macedonia naming dispute (where I wouldn't dispute it), but one article is enough. By the way, one could actually make a case that it's unnecessary there too, because it could easily be replaced by a simple quote. When K. said "I'm a Macedonian", this was the headline of several newspapers the next day. Has all the info, no image needed for illustration. Fair use policies. I know, life sucks. Fut.Perf.☼ 21:20, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where did you get all that? NikoSilver 21:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Common fair use image debates all throughout the last year. The policy is to be as restrictive as absolutely possible. Fut.Perf.☼ 21:24, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
To update you on WP:NFC: The section on non-admissible uses explicitly lists "An image of a newspaper article or other publication that contains long legible sections of copyrighted text. If the text is important as a source or quotation, it should be worked into the article in text form with the article cited as a source." Also, WP:NFCC No. 3 specifies "minimal usage" and "minimal extent of usage", and example of inadmissible use No 5 contains a (partly) analogous situation about an image being used in two articles at once; in our case, the problem is that it's used to make the same point in both articles. Fut.Perf.☼ 21:39, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Boy, your policy reading starts giving me the creeps; I had no idea. I suspect the particular image of Apogevmatini applies better to Macedonians (Greek) then (since it talks about their regional identity), and the summary can go in the Macedonia naming dispute, where we can include the 1,000,000 Greek mob of Thessaloniki (which applies better for the "dispute" rather than for their identity only). OK? (hehe, I can always upload another 10 front pages from all newspapers and put them everywhere!) NikoSilver 21:45, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, if you prefer it in that article, no problem with me. About the policy, it of course all comes with the MITKYP admin training... Fut.Perf.☼ 21:50, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding this, does the above not mean that the Thessaloniki rally photo should remain in the dispute article? ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 14:23, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No, we were only talking about the newspaper title page. The rally photo is unsalvagable, if for no other reason than its copyright isn't even known. It's most likely a professional news agency photograph, which in itself would more or less make it off limits anyway. Fut.Perf.☼ 15:58, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Where is the relevant discussion? I can't seem to find the link. ·ΚΕΚΡΩΨ· (talk) 16:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
There hasn't been any so far. Technically it's a speedy deletion issue, so no formal discussion needed. You can of course open one (on the image talk page or at WP:FUR), but I wouldn't waste my energies on this one if I were you. It doesn't stand a snowball's chance in hell to survive. Fut.Perf.☼ 22:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Images
What tag should I put on images with possibly false PD-self tag? User:Makedonij has uploaded 5-6 such pics like these [1], [2] and [3]. They cannot possibly be made by him (the png one might have been edited by him though). --LaveolT 22:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The correct procedure would probably be to list them at WP:PUI, but you could also try first talking to him and getting him to say where he got them from, then we can handle the rest the unbureaucratic way? Cheers, Fut.Perf.☼ 22:10, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, although he's not too willing to speak to me. Not in the old-fashioned civilized way, that is :) --LaveolT 22:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Update, I found one [4]. Interestingly it has a comment on the bottom - please, tell me the source - I need it for Wikipedia. I wonder who might've left it. I forgot the link to the image itself - [5]--LaveolT 22:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hy,first of all all pictures are from my own albums,i have a lot of books,and pictures are in the book,i allso have a lot of freind who send me pictures!!!
There is a link of Macedonians of Canada and it says this:The Historical Society's Resource Centre is Fully Accessible.!!!
The other thing is how Bolgarians can judge or Greeks what is to be writeen about ethnic Macedonian!!!
I belive that Humanwach organisations are desant sorce,more then Laveol!!!!
You are administerator,you judge who is corect!!!
I dont see any sorces on yours and his pictures!
I wonder where you find them!!!
I remember last year when this Laveol and some like him deleted everything i made about numbers and sorces in Macedonian nation,bu today they are here agin and nobody can deleted them!!!
The truth will win!!
If you thik pictures are fake please remove them!!But they will be put in agin soon whit all of information!!!
And one thing,let see all the pictures in Bulgarian site,i wonder how they got thouse pictures!?
Thanks
Makedonij 11:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I draw it!!!!Since you don't belive me,i will contakt others administrators,and we shoud fid out about pictures on other sites!!
And if i own a book,it is mine,i allredy pay for it!The whole thing inside of book is mine!!!
Now let see other images!!!
I draw that picture!!!OK
And for all other i will get permision and they will be put back!
Makedonij 11:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
No,it is drawen!!take a good look!!!the otherone is taken whit phothograpf!
Makedonij 12:05, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well now let see the Bulagrian page?
There are missing a lot of census data there,picture of St.Clemente??HM?
There is not a single church in Bulgaria whi picture of st.Clemente!!
How that he is amoung all of Bolgarian faces???
I will remove all info without census data!
And image from web showing Macedonia on Bolgarian page???
They remove picture whic shows Macedonians in Greece,so way can there be a picture of Bolgars in Macedonia??
The other one is taken whit camera on a visit of Macedonians in Usa,where my KUD(cultural asociation) Ace Mircev from Radovish was there,we had a how do you say an acting of Macedonian dances and is taken whit photocamera in 2002!
Makedonij 12:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sory i'm not so good in english!What exaczly means that word "canvseing",i realy dont know what that means!
Makedonij 13:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
So look by your self:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Ethnic_Macedonians
On the dicussion page we have talk about simbol!There is three Macedonians votes on Vergina simbol,one Bolagrian voute for coat of arms.....I allready put two links,from Macedonian(ethnic) organisations and every were Macedonians are abord it is SUN OF KUTLESH(Verginia),which represents ethnic Macedonians!!
So if you are neutral,you kan give your own koment,but i'm saying again,the article is about ethnic Macedonians not Republic of Macedonia!!
Please help!?
Makedonij 13:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What answer??I give you answer!!Ask again i dont know which one?
Take a look!
It is not copyright licens on picture look the webpage!!
Makedonij 14:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
FP hi. I want to insert a picture in the Elgin Marbles article but I don't have the faintest idea about copyright policies and the relevant procedure. The picture comes from a paper concerning the conservation of the marbles in the British Museum. It was published in Conservation, Vol. 47, No. 3, (2002). Is there any way I can use it? Does it fall under fair use or is this completely unrelated?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 10:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Giorgos. I guess if it's something technical, like a microscopic closeup made with special instruments to make some surface degradation effects visible, or stuff like that, you could probably make a case for "fair use". I guess it's not something you could replace with an image you could make by simply walking into the museum and shooting a photograph, right? You'd need to put the {{Non-free fair use in}} template on, and add an explanation what you need it for, plus the usual info about source/copyright. Fut.Perf.☼ 11:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the prompt reply. The photo shows an array of the original iron tools scalpels and hooks along with the whetstone used for scraping and polishing the marbles's surface. Would that be OK? If yes could you direct me to any wikipedia page explaining the procedure in detail. If, on the other hand, the photo does not fall under fair use could I simply add an new neutral background to the picture or change the arrangement of the tools in the photo and then use it as a photo made by me but based on "this and this source"? I hope I don't sound silly but I really don't know the first thing about copyright--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds okay to me. Better use the original image though; modifying it would not really make it yours either and might additionally open yet other cans of worms. I guess you should also take care content-wise that it's not used for "OR" or "POV-pushing" (i.e. to insinuate something to the lay reader that the source isn't actually saying) but I trust your good judgment on that. Just go to Special/Upload, let the system guide you through the process and then put those things on the description page - template, copyright and source info, and a brief description of why you need it. I'll have a look later and make sure the technicalities are okay. Fut.Perf.☼ 11:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. I think I never indulge in OR (at least not so far) and the image will be used the same way it appears in the journal: as an illustration of British museum conservation techniques in the thirties. The article is by Andrew Oddy a well known conservation expert and I don't plan to put any words of my own in his mouth. At any rate I will probably be asking for your advice at the end and if there are still any second thoughts I will just let it go. I simply can't stand dogfights--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 12:15, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you very much. I've tried to uninvolve in editing Japan related articles these days (I've been busy making geographical articles of Seoul), but his personal attacks and Azukimonaka-ish behaviors makes me report this. I appreciate your effort. Many thanks.--Appletrees (talk) 12:58, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
BANED
Are you serius??TWO MONTHS!!!
That is not fair!!!
Why,becouse i put two images from web site???
I will complain you know!!
Please unbaned me,we will work this out!!
But i realy don't understand why shoud i dont upload images from websites?
Or is it the sun which you dont like to be used by ethnic MAcedonians???
Makedonij 15:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
Man this is unfair,i wonder who let you use coat of arms of Macedonian state,or flag of Macedonian state,or have you got license of Macedonian musem in Ohrid??
How about pictures in other pages????
You are not fair!
And go on block me!I apologise allready!!
But sun of Kutlesh will shine every were where Macedonians lives!!!
BAy
Makedonij 15:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Not again!
I'll get right to the point: we've got banned User:PIO's IP trying to restart Dalmatian edit-wars in the Istrian exodus and Foibe massacres articles. I wonder if you'd consider semi-protecting them to swiftly close the matter again? --DIREKTOR(TALK) 15:53, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your time, the Foibe massacres article has also been altered by the sock. ("POV warrior"? that's PIO alright :) --DIREKTOR(TALK) 19:11, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Notorious POV warrior DIREKTOR has this restriction. I am not PIO. Nemo, 9 May 2008
PIO, it is painfully obvious who you are. I'm curious, why did you choose "Nemo", you read Jules Verne? --DIREKTOR(TALK) 19:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Help
How or where can i find pictures which are allready on WIKI???
Thanks
Makedonij 18:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes,i need pictures about Macedonians(ethnic)!?Thanks for info.Makedonij 21:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
POV pushing by LAVEOL,look here,there is not any info about(census doc.)about Bulgarians in ITALY and Albania,in fact there is a little srerios census data in that page!!
Would you care to look again and stop making lame accusations already. In fact the census data was provided by User:P m kocovski not by me. There was a slight mistake in the refs - instead of 10 I had typed 110, excuse me for making such a huge mistake. But what is a fact is that every time you removed the census data, you removed the ref as well (you were able to see it when you edited) but you still removed the info instead of trying to fix the situation. That is pretty close to vandalism since you either remove info before even reading it or you remove info after seeing that it is properly sourced. And I ask you kindly to stop since the current numbers are a result of consensus between me and Kocovski. --LaveolT 19:52, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Laveol is right here, as far as I can see. The figures, especially that for Italy, were correctly sourced. Makedonij, please stop edit-warring, you're being disruptive. Fut.Perf.☼ 19:57, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well he broke 3RR on Bulgarians. And I had warned him. Should I take this to the noticeboard since this is the second time he breaks 3RR for 2 days. Some record. --LaveolT 20:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Brrrr. I thought for a moment whether I am "involved" again (stupid rule!), and then said, bah, I'm not. Fut.Perf.☼ 20:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, you're clean on this one :))--LaveolT 20:50, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I've studied lots of math as well :). But seriously - I do take the whole Vergina sun pretty upwards. And I do take it seriously when someone goes through and reverts you with the words: oh yeah baby, yeah. Austin Powers? What the hell was that? Btw I'm still following Brest's actions closely (you remember the admin that blocked my IP for an year on mkpedia). Recently he asked RasoMK to write macedonian interwiki instead of mk interwiki when he adds interwikis from mkpedia. Raso asked him why and got the answer: To annoy the Greeks and Bulgarians since this is something they cannot erase. Wow. That's not a complaint or something else, I'm just noting it (it's because of my mood) ;)--LaveolT 20:59, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Oh my God. Fut. tut mir leid, aber was schreibt er??? Immer am meckern. :-) --Raso mk (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Why do you write in German (I can understand it as well but still why?) --LaveolT 21:30, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Btw I was just sharing: I was not asking for help or for intervention or putting some blame on you or another editor. --LaveolT 21:33, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
How does "southwestern bulgarian interwiki" sound? BalkanFever 03:06, 10 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Beh-nam, again
ThePashtoon: I feel like I'm playing wack-a-mole, and losing. Can you take care of this? Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:12, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, I just checked my watchlist, and you beat me to my request by 7m. You're awesome! Carl.bunderson (talk) 17:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Giorgos
Hi FP. It's me again I tried what you told me but I am not at all sure whether I got it right. Could you have a look [[10]]?--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 21:40, 9 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, sorry I didn't react at once, I don't normally do TV series a lot. In this case, I don't feel entirely confident to judge at a glance whether there was a real consensus either way, so I'm leaving things open. But I have deleted and freshly recreated the redirect from the "original format" title, so you can now technically move it back yourself again. Please do that only if you feel confident there is consensus to do so. Fut.Perf.☼ 22:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Here I come again - I know this is turning like a habit, but what can I do about it. I have a real problem with the two editors that somehow happen to come to each others aid when it's really needed. But that's not the matter. I was trying to get to th reason as to why MacedonianBoy was constantly adding a POV tag on the article Grigor Parlichev. I did not get any real answer to my question. You can see the whole discussion on Talk:Grigor Parlichev#Reasons for the tag. I tried to act in appropriate way given the previous problems I had with MacedonianBoy. Well, it just didn't work out. I repetedly asked for valid reasons and didn't get any. I'd be satisfied with anything, but this is just another Bulgarian propaganda, but it was the only thing I got. And since it started to look more like a forum (again) I asked them to stop [11] with the forum stuff. And what I got was some attacks on my contributions (again) by both of them. Since that is an article talkpage and I had ask them to stop with the chit-chat, I don't think their comments about me [12][13] compile with Wiki behaviour standards. And since this is obviously becoming some sort of a practice by those two contributors, I ask you to warn them in some way. I mean, I warned them that this is not appropriate on a number of times and they don't seem willing to listen to me. The only one, they would listen to, is you. So: Help?!--LaveolT 22:03, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The (ethnic) Macedonian crowd seems to be going wild, generally... 3rdAlcove (talk) 22:19, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hello FPS. The possible Velebit sock quoted you in the ANI discussion. Rjecina seemed to have the better case, but you probably know more about the background. You are welcome to add your views. EdJohnston (talk) 01:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I am prepared to compromise but the greek users arent. Even though they havent even added any information to the article. P m kocovski (talk) 12:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking about my self, honestly, there is a lot I can add to this article, but then again, if I do so, it will be like as if I approve it, which I don’t. The Cat and the Owl (talk) 19:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well apart from everything else, this could singlehandedly win the POV title of the year contest. "Aegean" AND "Macedonians"? Please, this is way too ridiculous.--Avg 16:45, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Proposal
I hope all this madness with me is over. My proposal is that you symbolically release my account after so much time banned and I will discuss with you every new source as reliable before representing them User:Dodona
Elgin Marbles
Dear FP, I have been working on the Elgin Marbles article for several days but I haven't so far managed to attract any responses. I am now proposing that it be renamed. If you would be interested to comment on my proposal I would appreciate some feedback. I am planning to notify other contributors as well in the hope to start a discussion--Giorgos Tzimas (talk) 13:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Removal of comments
I don't have a problem with you removing my comments from the talk page, but I have a problem with you leaving the comments where Avg, all so abruptly, refers to ethnic Macedonians as Skopjans and Slavomacedonians. KöbraKönverse 08:54, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, thank yuo. I am aborting it. Tis madness. BoodlesthecatMeow? 20:25, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Any suggestions on your part as to how I could minimise the apparent "war" between him and me would be more than welcome. I can assure you that all my conduct at Wikipedia is in good faith. Thanks. --Ludvikus (talk) 20:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry guys, I haven't been following your issue at all. Right now I have no idea what this is even about. Fut.Perf.☼ 20:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ela
Waz up man, long time.Kinda miss your talks lol. Hope you are having a great time.--Taulant23 (talk) 23:44, 13 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User:Emetko's user page -- needs attention, I think
Hi there, from what I can gather, this user was falsely accused of being a sock puppet for someone, and blocked indefinitely, but the next day, unblocked by you (hence this missive). Yet, his user page contains only the template announcing indefinite blocking. I hesitate to remove it myself, as it is is after all someone else's user page. But as you were the undoing admin, could you do the honors? I discovered this by following the user's signature from his current contribution, hoping to see a Babel template, but all I found was this. Best wishes, --Mareklugtalk 07:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
That's gone too far
The whole canvassing issue has gone too far. Once is OK, twice is not that bad. But it's continuing and I think it's kind of mixed up with sockpuppetry already. Is there a way to check Kadeshli (talk·contribs), Alekishere (talk·contribs) and Fatmanonthehorse (talk·contribs)? It's not like long gone users come back and vite within 30 minutes of each other on a nomination for deletion. Further the canvassing on En.wiki continues. And to hide it Raso has written it in German [14]. I think action needs to be taken now. There off all rules and guidelines and were warned on a number of occasions not do so. --LaveolT 09:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
hehehe you are funny Laveol. Cry baby cry.--Raso mk (talk) 09:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I already told you to stop mocking me and calling me such stuff. --LaveolT 09:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I don't care about Tsourkpk - they were warned not to that stuff. And the new old users are a clear evidence what's going on. --LaveolT 09:43, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
did you? Ok i will stop. :-) Peace man \/ --Raso mk (talk) 09:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
So essentially, you want Macedonian users blocked for canvassing but not Greek users. BalkanFever 09:46, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The level of offense? --LaveolT 09:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
(un)Amazing, though. Users who have been inactive for a year coming back to life! Let's hope that they'll be cooperative when it comes to editing the article, though. It's quite a dishonest move, to be fair. It almost makes me feel like changing my "Delete or Merge" to "STRONG DELETE" ;) Aah, the Balkans. 3rdAlcove (talk) 12:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Template symbol
Dear Future, I would like to inform you that according to the voting results, we have are ready to put the symbol that took the most votes and which is the most used symbol by ethnic Macedonians world wide. I'm just waiting for your approval here - Template_talk:Ethnic_Macedonians#Recapitulation. Regards. --Revizionist (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Have you forgotten my report [17]? Kubura (talk) 15:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, sorry, yes, seems I never got round dealing with this one. Is the problem still ongoing? What would be the latest IPs? Fut.Perf.☼ 21:36, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Template:Etnhic Macedonians
Hello! I want to inform you that AVG is vandalizing the template again, maybe for third time. Accourding to the voting that we have done recently, the Star of Kutleš must be on the template, but he is so smart and do not want to get it. He is putting the Coat of Arm of RM. Please tell him something to stop offending me and to vandalize the pages. And if you can to put the Kutleš Star it would be wonderful. Thanks a lot, regards --MacedonianBoy (talk) 18:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What's "Star of Kutleš"? --Tsourkpk (talk) 19:02, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Take a dictionary, a Macedonian one!--MacedonianBoy (talk) 19:07, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is the English Wikipedia.--Avg 19:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Than take English one, for Macedonian toponims.--MacedonianBoy (talk) 19:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The place is called Vergina, it is in Greece. The symbol is called Vergina Sun, it was found in Greece. Live with it.--Avg 19:29, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Тоа е Егејска Македонија, Македонија--MacedonianBoy (talk) 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
He's not talking to you, how exactly is he offending you? Did you take those words from me? --LaveolT 18:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
This is a joke, Fut.Perf. either put some reason to these guys or we would have to go the arbitration way again. They try to impose a result that came from obvious canvassing and sockpuppeting. --Avg 19:00, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Εδώ να σε δω, μπαρμπα-Γιώργο. =P 3rdAlcove (talk) 19:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Εεεπ, με έβρισες ή μου φάνηκε; 3rdAlcove (talk) 00:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Offendings
Please take a look at this page [[18]] and especially on the last section of AVG's and of the other Greeks comments. They are so offending and rude. They should be blocked not the Macedonian users. We have never used words that offend them such as Sub-Saharians but they do. I think you will take this in consideration. Regards--MacedonianBoy (talk) 21:41, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"We have never used words that offend them such as Sub-Saharians". You mean you did it behind their backs. Add the Bulgarian "Tatars" to that. Comparing Slavomacedonian to Sub-saharan in the context they are used, especially. Amazing. Stop acting like the oppressed minority. 3rdAlcove (talk) 23:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
User:3rdAlcove
User:3rdAlcove told me to "fuck off"[19], because I didn't listen to his unsourced POV-advice that Macedonian Rainbow party members "are not sure what to call themselves." He also thinks I broke the 3RR rule. Polibiush (talk) 00:24, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Kindly, though. That's something, right? You did break the 3RR rule actually since you reverted 4-5 times. I didn't exactly revert you because of the Rainbow members, eh (though they're honestly confused about what they think they are; still, I even added a "See Also")? Start a friggin section on the talk page if you disagree instead of constantly reverting. 3rdAlcove (talk) 00:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't revert, you had a problem with the Rainbow members, but you reverted the numbers from Britannica without knowing, so I put it back. Hmmm, it seems you do not understand how wikipedia works, do you know what a POV is? What you are claiming is you own personal opinion that is based on nothing. These people are leaders of the Macedonian minority party "Rainbow", they are Macedonian. Polibiush (talk) 00:34, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nope, I directed you to the talk page of Macedonians (ethnic group). If you disagree, you should start a new section at AM. Britannica is a tertiary source in case you forget, btw. I couldn't give a toss about the self-identification of prominent Vinozhito members, though based on what I've read (ie the wild changes in their self-identification) I removed their names and added a See Also. It was about everything else, actually. Now be so kind as to start a section. Oh, and add the Rainbow party members back in if you feel sooo inclined. Obviously you reverted, 4-5 times. 3rdAlcove (talk) 00:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
You don't get the message, do you? What do you mean "based on what I've read" ??? What have you read???????? You are obviously mis-using Wikipedia guidelines. Now look, these people are Macedonians, and Britannica is an encyclopedia. If you have a problem, then start a discussion in their own respective talk pages. Polibiush (talk) 00:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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