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	Hey, I just wanted to thank you for your work in the Cadereyta Jiménez massacre! It was a pleasure working with you. Keep up the good work! ComputerJA (talk) 21:38, 18 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Much appreciated. I must return the commendation on your open approach and willing acceptance of the efforts of others. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 00:35, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

AE

Please see here.[1] I'm sorry about this. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 03:56, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Duplicated regex menu entries

Hi. I'm importing several of your scripts (thanks for providing them) and notice that various menu items in the toolbar are duplicated. I think this is because each script imports m:User:Pathoschild/Scripts/Regex_menu_framework.js. I have started a section about this at m:User talk:Pathoschild/Scripts/Regex menu framework#Import just once. --Mirokado (talk) 13:34, 19 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Script error

Extra spaces Your script work is inserting normal spaces after non-breaking spaces and before ndashes for some reason. Please amend it so that it's no longer doing this. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:40, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

thanks. you found an interesting error stemming from the dashes script, which is not one of mine but which I use. I've never totally understood the rationale of when a space is inserted, or when an em- or en-dash is used – I merely rely on the script output. In this case, it's almost certainly due to the script interpreting the "&ndash string" as its component characters and not as a hard space. You're right that there should never be a soft space immediately after a hard space as this ddefies the point of the hard space. I've adjusted for it in my formatting script. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:46, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No problem I don't know if this helps much, but per WP:DASH, a non-breaking space should precede an ndash, but mdashes should be non-spaced—that is, they should run right up against the text as they are here. Non-breaking spaces are used so that you don't have an ndash hanging on the end of a line with the relevant text on the next one (of course, this is precisely the function of all non-breaking spaces...) I'm not sure if that clarifies anything, but there you have it. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 18:21, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. Homunculus (duihua) 05:50, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect script

Could you run such a script on my mark (i.e. the next time I notify you) at the articles beginning with "List of township-level divisions of"? The articles of the entries at these lists may be deleted en masse soon, and I don't want my moving work (to make titles conform with WP:NC-ZH) to go up in flames. Thanks much GotR ^Talk 17:14, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand what the issue is, or what you want me to do. But let me try: Let's say that for List of township-level divisions of Hebei, there are hundreds of townships listed, such as Youfang (油坊镇). You are anticipating that these 'Youfangs' will be deleted en masse, and you would like me to use a script to create redirects to 'List of township'. Am I getting warm? --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 17:22, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you are. Once I am finished, I would like you to fix all redirects on that page. That is all. GotR ^Talk 17:37, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think I get it... So I will open up each of the individual pages listed in 'List of township-level divisions of Hebei', erase the content and make them redirect to the former. Should I actually be redirecting articles section by section, into the most closely related County or District article? --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 17:42, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you get it, yet. Sorry for my failure to elaborate. In the past month or so, I have moved many of the articles listed at List of township-level divisions of Hebei to conform with the new guidelines at the Chinese naming conventions. However, I have not fixed most of the corresponding links, and they need to be corrected to their current titles lest my work is wasted upon deletion of these articles. For example, within the list, [[Longguan, Chicheng County]]→[[Longguan, Hebei]]. I hope that explains everything.
The articles themselves should be left intact.
I am now done with Hebei, so please run through it. GotR ^Talk 18:18, 23 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Date format script issue

Hi Ohconfucius! When I try to use your date format script on Spider-Man in film, it wants to change each instance of "21st Century" to "21st century". In this case, "21st Century" refers to the 21st Century Film Corporation, and therefore shouldn't be decapitalized. I have a similar issue on the 20th Century Fox article. Could you please tweak your script? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see the problem. 21st Century (capitalised) is used as shorthand for 21st Century Film Corporation or 21st Century Fox. My script anticipates any trailing capital that would catch these latter, but it seems there's no way of avoiding the plain vanilla '21st Century'. I'll just have to disable it altogether. Shame, though, because it's also one of the most commonly incorrectly capitalised terms in wikipedia. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:06, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, must it be disabled? The C is a not-uncommon error in running prose, and we do examine the diffs and pick up the false positives. This is a rare instance. Tony (talk) 02:10, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That's what Batty did, clearly. It's true that the downcasing is still likely to benefit most articles whilst causing this glitch in a much smaller of number of article predominantly involving the film industry. But then there are a lot of articles within the scope of the latter. Even within film articles, chances are that '20th Century' or '21st Century' are used normally and ought to be downcased. How often are these used as abbreviations for the corporate names? I can write all sorts of safeguards into the script, but I need a solid pattern of "dos and don'ts" (what letters or characters to change and what specifically not to change) to work from. Any ideas for a workaround would be appreciated. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:16, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Is it possible to skip the downcasing on articles that link to 21st Century Film Corporation or 20th Century Fox? GoingBatty (talk) 02:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It may be technically possible, but my limited knowledge unfortunately does not enable me to do that. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 02:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Space suit

Thanks for cleaning up Space suit! Good job, much appreciated. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

it's a pleasure. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 07:27, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comics realted articles

Hello,

Just a heads up, but the method you are using to "clean up" articles is making a hash of things with the comics related ones. The "#" used in identifying comic book issues - Superman #250 - is correct, "No" is not.

- J Greb (talk) 11:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

J Greg, hi, I'm almost certain that after a long and careful debate about two years ago, the community decided that the hash is trash, and that an alternative such as "No." is required. many readers won't process the hash easily, especially if, like me, they're not an in-house comics person, don't you agree? Tony (talk) 11:41, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I had understood that the hash sign was clearly deprecated in our manual of style. Maybe I should raise the issue there... --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 11:47, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

IIRC Tony that was within the area of citations. If it was beyond that, please point me to the discussion. - J Greb (talk) 21:30, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Also... WP:HASH seems to have had the exception note there a while... - J Greb (talk) 21:38, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

3RR

[2] The Sound and the Fury (talk) 15:39, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I applaud you for the sheer economy, timing, and changeover. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 16:32, 24 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Was there any policy or procedural provision, or established convention besides that, for your action to remove my remark under Ferox's? The "comments by others" section in other AE posts seem to be full of good-natured (or not) back-and-forth between concerned parties. And in what way did the remark appear to you as soapboxing? The Sound and the Fury (talk) 03:34, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You're supposed to stick to your own section for Arbcom matters. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:07, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did you look at the "Comments by others" sections in the other AE posts there? They are directly above and below ours. The "Comments by others" section has a lot of response and counter-response. Given this, the impression created of your deleting mine (calling it soapboxing, which you have not justified) obviously does not appear very good. The Sound and the Fury (talk) 04:20, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Another date format script issue

When I ran your Body dates to mdy script on Britney Spears, not only does it change dates in references, but it makes incorrect changes such as |accessdate=2012-05-15 to |accessdate=May 1, 20125. Could you please make the appropriate tweaks to your script? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:14, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I mistakenly copied something over from my test script. It's now fixed. As to the displaced day, I'll look into it. Thanks. PS, I see that you've met Gimmetoo! --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 04:16, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm - I logged out of Wikipedia, closed my browser, cleared my cache, and I'm still getting the same issues. GoingBatty (talk) 05:04, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about that. I changed my test script instead of the production one. It should be fine now. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 05:21, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Works great now - thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Anchor text edit (Bermuda Bowl)

Hi, Your recent edit[3] replaces hyphens with dashes inside anchor text, which is not good because it breaks any existing links. This may be a problem with script you maintain. If "somebot" is responsible then we need to report it.

When I asked about this Template talk: anchor, I mentioned AWB, but now I attribute only the preceding edit to AWB so I have not reported to "AWB folks" as other editors suggest in that discussion. --P64 (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

P.S. One of those editors will check by script (and might show me) whether any incoming section link currently exists. If you know of a helpful tool I will appreciate that, and make fewer anchors in the future. --P64 (talk) 18:32, 26 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Let's not completely discount the problem with the hyphen itself. Although it is part of an anchor, and thus otherwise invisible to the rendered text, it remains a WP:MOSDASH violation. As to the part of my script that changes hyphens to dashes, it's something that needs to be signalled to the author, who is unfortunately not active. He hasn't responded to a number of minor issues for quite a few months. If this continues, someone will need to take over the maintenance of the script, which is otherwise an excellent tool for 95 percent of errant hyphen/dash styles. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Format general script

Your script remove the space before a category sortkey. Based on Wikipedia:SORTKEY, this is done on purpose to place it as the first article(s) on the category page. Please tweak your script. --Ivan530Talk 01:47, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I have checked that my script does not act on the {{DEFAULTSORT}} template or any of its parameters. I must presume you are referring to this edit, in which the space was removed from the sort in the category. But note that for that article, the default sort is already present, and would take precedence over the " Video Games" piped into the category. I'll try working out a suitable change in the script. Thanks for your notification. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:07, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- I thought you fixed that one before.... In any case {{DEFAULTSORT}} sets a default sort key, which can be overridden by any specific sort key, such as " Video games". — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:27, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've made a change to the code and it shouldn't mess with spaces inside categories any more. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 09:06, 27 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Dates and images

Thanks for all work you do in fixing dates etc! But you should change the script to not change dates in filenames, se [4]. Thanks, The User 567 (talk) 12:27, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing that one out. In fact, file names are usually protected, but it seems that an unhealthy proliferation of templates, each one with slightly different syntax, that is causing the problems. I will add that syntax to my script protection. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 12:58, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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The following text needs to be placed at the bottom of this section as soon as possible (better from edit mode, the part enclosed by the blockquotes). Thanks for your assistance. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 14:47, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Done T. Canens (talk) 16:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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;Editing at Tiananmen Square self-immolation incident As soon as I learnt that it was up for TFA, for I saw the nomination, I got working on it immediately and frantically. I suppose that I could have nominated it for FAR instead, but I thought it could be cleaned up. I shepherded the article through FA with the help of asdfg12345, Jayen466 and SilkTork. Once that was done, I had set out to improve the other Falun Gong articles but soon felt frustrated by the endless [[WP:LAWYER|wikilawyering]] and insistence on cherrypicking of sources – they would repeatedly insist that certain sources that they called "high quality scholarly sources", generally favourable to Falun Gong, to be used. Bytheir apparent definition, such sources include Porter, Ownby, Schechter, Gutman, Amnesty International (I have no problem with the former two, but please note that the latter three do not enjoy the same status as serious research – Schechter is a journalist who is staunchly pro-Falun Gong, and Gutman works for Foundation for Defense of Democracies, a political lobbyist). They also fond of quoting from Divid Kilgour, a Canadian parliamentarian who has made a name for himself for "exposing" alleged [[Kilgour-Matas report|atrocities committed against Falun Gong practitioners]], and will often use his website for information. Of course, they will also quote from various websites affiliated with Falun Gong. As I will demonstrate below, they would also systematically seek to remove critical mentions of Falun Gong, and seek to marginalise those sources (even those that can be defined as truly scholarly) that indicated scepticism of the movement. I had already grown disillusioned by the constant attacks, abuse and [[WP:TE|tendentiousness]] from some parties whom I had identified as Falun Gong SPAs and who are all now effectively banned from the project for [[WP:Advocacy|advocacy]] and [[WP:POV pushing|POV-pushing]]. I stopped editing Falun Gong articles towards the end of December 2009, and took the articles off my watchlist in approximately after the 'self-immolation' article incurred a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&offset=20100220012810&limit=36&action=history&tagfilter= bout of attacks] from an obvious Falun Gong sockpuppet. I performed a number of reverts and then stopped editing. The filer of this AE noted that "several other editors knowledgeable on the subject" had worked on the article since I walked away. An analysis of the edits to the article shows that the list of illustrious names includes, in decreasing order of number of edits, PCPP (no edits after 29 January 2011), AnnaInDC, Homunculus, Zujine, Asdfg12345, Ohconfucius, Jayen466, SilkTork, Dilip rajeev and Olaf Stephanos. As we all know, Asdfg12345, Dilip rajeev and Olaf Stephanos were given indefinite topic bans as Falun Gong SPAs in 10 November 2011, whilst PCPP was given a topic ban for edit-warring. Until PCPP was topic banned, there was a degree of counterweight to the thrust of Falun Gong editors, but his "effectiveness" was always limited because he was heavily outnumbered. Since then, the article has enjoyed a ratchet effect of pro-Falun Gong edits. Here follows an analysis of the edit count to the article since PCPP's topic ban. {| class="wikitable" <hiddentext>generated with [[:de:Wikipedia:Helferlein/VBA-Macro for EXCEL tableconversion]] V1.8<\hiddentext> |- style="font-weight:bold" valign="bottom" | width="227" height="13" | Username | width="48" | Edit count |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|Homunculus}} | align="right" | 4 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|122.176.209.225}} | align="right" | 3 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|Aronlee90}} | align="right" | 3 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|SilkTork}} | align="right" | 3 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|124.183.76.34}} | align="right" | 2 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|Jayen466}} | align="right" | 2 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|Dilip rajeev}} | align="right" | 1 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | {{User|Zujine}} | align="right" | 1 |- valign="bottom" | height="13" | Other editors with 1 edit each | align="right" | 15 |- style="font-weight:bold" valign="bottom" | height="14" | Grand total of edits from 30/1/2011 to 26/3/2012 | align="right" | 34 |} As soon as PCPP was "out of the way" four days later, Homunculus seized the opportunity of ratcheting the POV in favour of Falun Gong thus: In the first of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&offset=20110309122954&limit=4&action=history three edits], he performed a radical shift in the article's balance. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ohconfucius/sandbox&oldid=494745854 This] is a rearranged version of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&oldid=417037117 version 417037166] by Homunculus of 05:55 (UTC), 4 March 2011 The complexity of the edit as well as the one below, and the existence of material undescribed changes such as deletions of adequately sourced text unfavourable to Falun Gong make for a highy opaque edit; it could be contended that the edit summary is '''misleading'''. Observe how the NPOV balance has been radically shifted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&diff=494745854&oldid=410758201 compared] with the previous version: #"Liu's neighbours" was changed to "neighbors and those acquainted with Liu", although none of the latter were mentioned in the source #Mention in ''Time'' that 'four of the self-immolators were seen in flames, with their hands held "in a classic Falun Gong meditation pose", drawing a complaint from the Falun Gong movement' was cleanly excised #Removed Sisci's comment that "the sect first tried to deny the episode and then argued that it was staged by the government " #Removed ''Time's'' criticism that the movement had been caught off-guard, and its leadership's damage control proved to be inadequate #added quote that: "there are desperate people in China (and elsewhere) who will do anything for money" #attributed quote which according to reliable source said " "certain disciples had some extreme interpretations [and thought] we are going to resort to violence", swapped in unsourced or possibly primarysourced material. #removed NY Times' mention that "one of the self-immolators was able to "fluidly perform" Falun Gong's signature slow-motion exercises in front of Western media." #excised all mention of Jensen and Weston's criticism of the Falun Gong in their scholarly work. In a later edit, the last one in the above list, Homunculus further radically shifted the balance of the article. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Ohconfucius/sandbox&oldid=494726003 this] is a rearranged version of [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&oldid=436986484 version 436986484] by Homunculus of 04:37 (UTC), 30 June 2011. Observe how the NPOV balance has been radically shifted [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&diff=494726003&oldid=436915436 compared] with the previous version #Neutral media caption lengthened and biased in favour of hypothesis #advanced a hypothesis that the self-immolation participants were paid actors, without attribution and without sourcing #exponential increase in weight given to the False Fire analysis #excised unfavourable mention by Hong Kong NGO [[Information Centre for Human Rights and Democracy]] and Xinhua News Agency report. #Downplayed "Beyond the Limits of Forbearance" and excised view of Østergaard In preparing the article for the TFA, I performed [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&offset=20120403052116&limit=140&action=history approximately 100 edits]. In order to limit controversy and to provide for a highly transparent audit trail, my edits were accompanied by appropriately detailed edit summaries, in marked contrast to what has been seen hitherto. Using a previous [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&oldid=339875216 'good' version] as a reference, I made changes to restore some deleted material and address the obvious NPOV failings of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tiananmen_Square_self-immolation_incident&direction=prev&oldid=484656933 version extant]. How an article on such a polemic topic managed to become a [[WP:FA|Featured Article]] has to be somewhat unique case in the annals of Wikipedia, and I believe I have a right to be proud of this achievement. In my eagerness to have the article cleaned up in time for TFA, I only paid cursory attention to their moans on the talk page, knowing that to do so would only bog me down with further lawyering – I ploughed on believing that, after all, the version of an article that has reached FA status has to be somewhat defendable, especially from those determined to undermine its equilibrium for their own agendas. However, an [http://toolserver.org/~snottywong/cgi-bin/usersearch.cgi?name=Zujine&page=Tiananmen+Square+self-immolation+incident&max=28&server=enwiki eleventh hour struggle] by another suspected Falun Gong meatpuppet somewhat frustrated my effort, and the version that appeared on the front page was, for me, an embarrassment. --[[User:Ohconfucius|Ohconfucius]] [[User talk:Ohconfucius|¡digame!]] 14:14, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

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